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Would we want A-Rod?

I think it's very likely after this latest Yankees' collapse in which again A-Rod was abysmal in the playoffs the Yankees will likely look to deal him. You'd have to think he's be interested in moving on given the how vehemently Yanks fans hate him.

We need a 3rd baseman, would we want him? They'd probably ask for at least Myers or Hamels. Not sure if the Phils would actually need to give up that much, but the Yanks will be desperate for pitching.

Frankly, I think he'd be a monster here. Small park, 1 million times less pressure... He'd be instantly back in MVP form and probably make this the best lineup in the NL, if not MLB. I would struggle to see how they wouldn't make the playoffs with that lineup.

Would you be interested and what cost? I'd love to have him here, but not at the cost of one of our top 2 starters. As we've learned over and over again good pitching beats good hitting.

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Well....
Not for anything
7 votes
Yes, as long as Myers or Hamels are not involved
15 votes
Yes, whatever it takes
7 votes

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yes. but...
I wouldn't move Howard in an A-Rod deal either. Nor Utley, unless they wanted to throw in Cano.

Problem is that without those four, it's tough to see a deal that makes sense for the Yankees. I was actually thinking about this earlier today: something like Gordon, Golson, Gio and another pitcher? Again, I just don't see why the Yankees would do it, aside from saving money (not a priority for them, and presumably the Phils couldn't pay for all of Rodriguez's contract anyway) or "changing the mix," which Cashman is too smart to buy into.

by dajafi on Oct 7, 2006 7:48 PM EDT   0 recs

They might do it because...
Steinbrenner demands it.

It's his money.  If he wants ARod gone, to show that he's The Boss, that "lack of performance" will get your ass out of the Bronx regardless of salary, he might force the issue.

The Yankees are weak, long-term, at C.  They probably still need an OF or two.  We can't really help there; but I'd call 'em up, offer

Rowand
Gordon
Gio
& Floyd

for ARod, and see what happened.  I'd throw in another arm, or two, if I had to.  ARod would take 3B from our biggest weakness, and make it our biggest strength - that's unheard of, and worth probably somewhere around 8 wins over this year's 3B production.

I wouldn't deal Howard, obviously, nor Utley - even if Cano came back.

"Yet the still mightly few, back him up" - Philsin06

by Shore on Oct 7, 2006 11:48 PM EDT   0 recs

Are the Phils a good fit?
Shore, this would be an outstanding deal for the Phils, but would have to be modified to make sense for the Yankees.

The Yankees don't need another outfielder, even with Sheffield becoming a free agent. They have Damon, Matsui, Abreu, and Cabrera so the outfield is still a team strength and they have the option of resigning Sheffield.

Since the Yankees are still in "win now" mode, they must acquire proven major league pitching, both starters and relievers. The Phils would have to begin negotiations with Lieber and Gordon, then throw out as many names as possible that do not include Meyers and Hamels. Unfortunately, I cannot imagine a scenario in which the Phils could acquire A-Rod and not part with either Meyers or Hamels. As much as all Phils fans would drool over a lineup that included A-Rod, the Phils don't have enough pitching to be able to afford to give up Meyers or Hamels. Since those are exactly the type of players that the Yankees need, I don't think the the Phils can be serious contenders in the A-Rod sweepstakes.

by Celebre Twins on Oct 8, 2006 11:32 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Alot of it depends on
What the market is for A-ROd. In this day and age I don't see anyone giving up top quality starting pitching for anything, let alone a guy that they know the Yankees need to deal.

I don't think it will take as much as you think. Although, there's a lot of teams out there and you never know if one will be stupid and give up their #1 starter...

I will say this, A-Rod has only $66 million left on his deal. THat's manageable for the Phils.

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by JasonB on Oct 9, 2006 9:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

dollars
You have to find a team that can afford him and that needs a third baseman.

No way they trade him to the Red Sox, for obvious reasons.  The Mets are set at third base for the next decade or so.

The Angels and Dodgers seem to be the most realistic, but the Phillies certainly have the need, too.  I wonder, though, if the relationship between Gillick and Rodriguez is sour based on the failed winter 2000 contract negotiations when Pat was GM in Seattle.

by WholeCamels on Oct 9, 2006 9:20 AM EDT   0 recs

Third Base
Arguably, a team in need of a SS could go after A-Rod too. I don't see any reason why he couldn't return to that position; in fact, he was arguably a better defensive SS than he is a 3B.

by Laaaaazzz on Oct 9, 2006 11:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

better
He was a better SS than Jeter, but heaven forbid the  ULTIMATE TEAM PLAYER OF ALL-TIME JESUS H. JETER be asked to do something that's better for the team and {{gulp}} move to a different position.

by WholeCamels on Oct 10, 2006 9:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cashman owes Gillick
After the Abreu theft, Cashman owes Gillick, so how about A-Rod and $15M/year for Floyd, Gio, Bourn, and Costanza. That's equivalent to the Abreu trade, isn't it?

by David S. Cohen on Oct 9, 2006 9:40 AM EDT   0 recs

This is what irritated me
about the Abreu deal in the first place.  There was no reason to trade him in-season.  If Abreu was still around, then maybe including him in a deal for ARod would've made a potential deal more likely than it is now.  As much as I like Abreu, I'd have been fine with trading him under that scenario.  

And based on what Shore said, I think including Carlos Ruiz in a package with Gio and Rowand would make sense.  I don't think they'll want Gordon though.  Unless we give up one of Myers or Hamels, I don't see ARod trading his black pinstripes for red ones anytime soon.

by Alex Falzone on Oct 9, 2006 3:09 PM EDT   0 recs

Yeah
It's all about what they'd want. No doubt that Cashman would start with Myers or Hamels. However, I have to wonder if any team is going to give up top notch starting pitching? There are some idle rumors that the Astros may be interested for possibly Oswalt or Pettite. I think they'd be crazy to trade Oswalt, but Pettite... maybe. Still, the market may not bear a #1 starter and that would put the Phils in decent shape in the A-Rod sweepstakes.

$66 million for 4 years of A-ROd is not bad at all...

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by JasonB on Oct 9, 2006 3:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

PLus
The Yanks pulled the trigger on the Abreu deal because they needed a RF badly at that moment. I don't think the need for a position player would be the same now and I also don't think they'd be interested in a position player being the centerpiece of a deal for A-Rod. They are going to want a top starter or good, young arms.
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by JasonB on Oct 9, 2006 3:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Rowand
It's too bad the Yankees have too many outfielders.  The talk in NYC this weekend (where I enjoyed watching the Yankees lose) was that the team was too laid back and needed real fiery go-getters like Paul O'Neill.  As misguided as I think that is, it's too bad we can't take advantage of that and make Aaron "wallbanger" Rowand part of the deal.

Of course, there's the other problem with this theory - that players like Rowand are valued by the Phils' front office too much to trade them.  But, one can dream.

by David S. Cohen on Oct 9, 2006 3:54 PM EDT   0 recs

I don't think it would matter
Rowand would only be added value. I can't see any reasons why they'd want anything but pitching for A-ROd.
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by JasonB on Oct 9, 2006 5:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Consideration
After thinking about this more, and money aside, I would move mountains to get this deal done.  It's not that often you have a slam-dunk Hall of Famer who's ostensibly available at a reduced price.  I think the only people I wouldn't include in a deal would be Howard and Hamels; yes, I'd move Utley.

by WholeCamels on Oct 10, 2006 9:14 AM EDT   0 recs

I agree
I forgot to include that I'd be willing to move Myers in my post above.  Although what you'd have to add to Myers to get ARod here is something for which I don't have an answer.  But if the Phils agree to take on the whole contract, Myers, Gio, and Ruiz is at least a starting point for discussions.  

I don't know whether I'd be okay with moving Utley just yet, although I do think that once his play starts to decline in a few  years, he'll decline rapidly.  And, let's not forget, if Utley were to be moved, the majority of the fanbase would have a collective heart attack.  So for that reason alone, he'd never be included.

by Alex Falzone on Oct 10, 2006 10:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That would be a serious offer
If the Phils floated Myers, the Yanks would certainly take notice.

I'm not sure whether I'd be willing to give him up.

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by JasonB on Oct 10, 2006 4:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

NO WAY!!!!!!
Are you guys all nuts? There is no way the Phillies would WANT or NEED A-Rod next season!!! The Phils are desperatly going to look for Starting pitching, a big bat in the outfield, and maybe a new closer... but lets look at third base. I'm not going to pull out numbers, but Nunez, since taking over from the atrocious David Bell has been practically a gold glove fielder (don't believe me, watch any game he starts and you'll see at least one play that impresses you and that you KNOW Bell would have missed). Sure, his bat was weak, but he definitely has potential as we saw in his previous season on St Louis as well as his last month this season.

The Phils are doing awesome with their homegrown talent. The fans love it that so much better anyway. Do you think the notoriously stingy Phils owners would even attempt to find the money to pick up the most expensive player in the majors just after dropping a huge chunk of salary this season? That saved money will be used to pick up a  proven starter. Maybe sign future (and current) superstars Utley and Howard to a big contract. If they can get Burrel to move, they'll need extra change too, to pick up whomever fills his spot. Finally, they'll need some dough to fill the closer role should Gordon not get resigned.

In conclusion... Despite A-Rod being a HUGE bat added to an already offensively dominant team, it would be a significant defensive, financial, and moral downgrade.

by UtleyPhan on Oct 10, 2006 1:34 PM EDT   0 recs

Potential?
Nunez will be 31 next year; he has 2232 major league at-bats.  

He's hit .243, with a .313 OBP and a horrifying .318 SLG.  He's a singles-hitter who doesn't get many singles.  That's... not good.

Nunez to ARod is probably about an 8-game swing in the standings - you're essentially going from the very worst starter at that position to the very best.

I'm personally not one who thinks budgets are "hard"... I don't care what the expected profit margin is, and what targets they've set in order to achieve it.  Primarily because I think they're terrible at this, so I assume they're incorrect; secondly, because I think the addition of ARod, and some playoff baseball, would make the team hugely profitable, even if the payroll went $15M over "budget".

They've announced a payroll level, announced that they don't make money... I don't believe the 2nd part, which makes the first part a fairy tale.

"Yet the still mightly few, back him up" - Philsin06

by Shore on Oct 10, 2006 1:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ugh
Nunez looked very slick with the glove. I didn't see any plays that I KNEW Bell would have missed. I saw a number of plays that looked impressive -- that's it. Based solely on error rates, A-Rod would be a defensive downgrade. But there's more to defense than errors. And his bat more than makes up for the difference.

I don't think the average fan cares if the talent is homegrown or not. Look at how popular Sal Fasano and Aaron Rowand were. They aren't even good baseball players! Jim Thome was revered like a god here, until he got banged up and his performance slipped. Homegrown player Pat Burrell is the #1 whipping boy in Philadelphia right now.

I don't know whether any realistic trade for A-Rod could be achieved by the Phillies, without weakening another area (starting pitching, particularly) to the point that the offensive upgrade no longer represents an improvement. And of course the salary considerations are significant. But it's certainly worth exploring.

(By the way, how would it be a "moral downgrade?")

by phatj on Oct 10, 2006 3:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

moral downgrade
i was hinting at the fact that it seems like the yankees starters are having problems with A-rod. particularly they're confronting him and he's ignoring their suggestions about hitting. the phils seem to be a young team that is really beginning to mesh like they should. in addition, as an avid yankee hater, i wouldnt like to see us get one of them... but on the other hand, it would weaken the yankees.......

nunez seems to be much more aggressive than bell. he's a fantastic fielder and i think he's worth the low average. beef up the pitching and the phils will have no problem continuing to hit. after all, they did score more runs  this season than any other NL team!!!

by UtleyPhan on Oct 10, 2006 5:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Money isn't that big a deal
A-Rod is 6 years removed the year he signed his giant deal. The vast majority of that money has already been paid. He has 4 years and 66$ million left on his deal, for a guy his calibre that's a HUGE bargain. He might get twice that if he were to hit the free agent market right now. He's going to making less than Burrell next year.
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by JasonB on Oct 10, 2006 4:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

salary
burrell made about $10mil this year and a-rod made twice that.... how much are they owed next year? i can only imagine about the same...

by UtleyPhan on Oct 10, 2006 5:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Burrell's salary...
balloons this year.

A-Rod is actually making a ton of money next year, but a good portion of it is being paid by the Rangers. I believe about 7 mil a year for the rest of his deal +  24 mil in deferred payments.

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by JasonB on Oct 11, 2006 10:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Point being
A-Rod will be paid nearly the same or less by he team he is on than Burrell will next year.
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by JasonB on Oct 11, 2006 10:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

From ESPN
From ESPN.com:

2007 $15,900,000 from yankees...$7,100,000 from rangers

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2620449

by UtleyPhan on Oct 11, 2006 4:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe
Burrell is slated for 13 million next year. The talent gap between A-Rod and Burrell is a hell of a lot more than 3 million bucks...
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by JasonB on Oct 11, 2006 10:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Problem is...
can you really out done the deals some other teams (like the Dodgers?) could make?

Yankees will be looking for a top young pitcher (preferablly lefty) someone that could either play 3B or 2B.. and probably a prospect to boot.

From a Yankee point of view, I'd definately not be interested in the Phillies without a Hamels comming back. and we all know that's not possible.

Teams that might be willing to part with a good young starter (say... Dodgers with Kuo or Billingsly or Angels with Santana or Saunder) seems a much better fit, and the Dodger's had the fewest HR this year, while the Angels were hitting for nothing in the first few months last years.

by RollingWave on Oct 16, 2006 11:57 PM EDT   0 recs

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