The Flip-Flop: Sign Soriano!
I have to admit that I've gone back and forth about the prospect of the Phils signing Alfonso Soriano. At first glance, I don't see how the money can be worth it, and I've been worried about not only overpaying for a player I'm not convinced is a superstar but also the short- and long-term opportunity costs of such a move, from surrendering the team's hard-won financial flexibility to the notion that Soriano's $16-17 million obligation in 2010 would mean parting ways with Chase Utley.
Upon further review, however, I think I've decided: screw all that and sign the guy. But only if the Phillies also keep their current much-maligned strikeout-prone left fielder, Pat Burrell. The reasons why actually have more to do with money than the usual numbers we traffic in at TGP.
For one thing, I think we might be missing how much different the market is in winter 2006 than a year or two or five ago. Given baseball's unprecedented financial health and the prospect of five more years of labor peace, $16 million a year doesn't mean what it used to. Strangely, the Phils are in prime position to thrive in this brave new world.
Joe Sheehan of Baseball Prospectus recently put this a lot better than I could:
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When Soriano and Zito and Carlos Lee sign, there will be a lot of talk about how crazy the deals are, how the money the 2006 free agents compares to the money made by superior players who signed in previous seasons, like Carlos Beltran or Vladimir Guerrero. Don't fall into that trap. It's a new game this winter, with record revenues, a record number of teams pursuing talent, unprecedented labor peace fueling optimism and the persistent idea that no team is more than a year away from the World Series. What you're about to see simply cannot be compared to what has come before.
The nature of markets is that contracts go up in both the nominal and absolute sense, and what might look insane at the time often comes to seem reasonable in retrospect. After winning the Cy Young Award as a Montreal Expo in 1997, Pedro Martinez signed a contract with the Boston Red Sox that I remember blew my mind: six years, $72 million. Over those six seasons, Pedro notched 101 victories and put up an ERA below 2.50; Boston got value and then some. Three years later, in the craziest free-agent winter yet seen, the Red Sox signed Manny Ramirez to an eight-year, $160 million deal; each year since then, he's finished in the top 10 in MVP voting (this year's results pending), hit at least 33 home runs, and put up an OPS over 1.000 five of six times (the low year was 2005, when Man-Ram slipped all that way down to .982). That's value.
Will Soriano put up Manny Ramirez numbers? Certainly not. (In fact, were I Pat Gillick, I'd be trying to trade for Ramirez.) But over the next two seasons, he could mean the difference between a playoff berth and another near-miss--and that has economic value as well. Writing yesterday about the Red Sox and Daisuke Matsuzaka, Sheehan noted that "playoff appearances are the real moneymaker for teams, worth up to $25 million." Even if you're bumped off in the first round, that's got to be $5-8 million in real-time revenues, plus whatever positive consequences in merch and season tix sold for the following year.
Meanwhile, the concern that a long-term obligation to Soriano could impair the team's chances of re-signing Chase Utley and/or Ryan Howard is a valid one, but in my opinion it's extremely unlikely to be determinative on that question. If one or both slugging infielders truly wants to test the free agent waters, he's going to do it regardless; putting a winner on the field in the meantime likely would improve the odds they'd stick around. And while this might sound slightly blasphemous through the eyes of today, given that both will hit free agency in their early 30s it's a valid question whether the Phils might not be better off parting ways with them when the time comes.
This piece is already getting long, but I want to double back to the point about Pat Burrell. Because the market has changed, the Phillies' remaining obligation to Burrell--$27 million for two years--doesn't look bad at all. Consider the report that J.D. Drew might be about to sign a two-year, $30 million deal with (again) the Red Sox. Is Drew a vastly better player than Burrell? He hits for a higher average, plays better defense, and doesn't clog up the bases; Burrell hits for more power and--his nagging injuries notwithstanding--has been a much better bet to play a full season than his refusnik predecessor as the Phils' top draft pick. His clubhouse reputation is no worse than Drew's, and might be better. Given the choice between paying Burrell $27 million or Drew $30 million over the next two years, I think it's a close call. If the Phils keep Pat and hit him 6th, starting around 85 percent of the games, I think another .270/.380/.510 season is much more likely than anything like a collapse.
My final point is that the Phils would be better off loading up for a playoff push over the next two years, going with both Burrell and Soriano offering right-handed power from the outfield corners. Yes, they'd combine with Ryan Howard for 450 strikeouts, but 120 homers and 375 RBIs are worth that. Save a little money by trading Aaron Rowand for relief help or prospects and play the much cheaper, higher-upside Victorino in CF. The Phils' pitching staff looks to be slightly above-average next year; let's brutalize opposing pitchers, score 900 runs, entertain the fans and finally print some playoff tickets we can use.
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I'm afraid this is all wishful thinking, however. Gillick has boxed himself into an either/or mindset, where it's going to be either Burrell or Soriano, not both.
You're right, though, that the Burrell contract is looking more and more reasonable, and at the very worst, the Phils might get a respectable return now if they trade him, which didn't seem possible a few short weeks ago.
And imagine if they'd waited to trade Abreu...
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The Abreu thing eats at me too. He's going to look like a bargain. Even so, I can almost convince myself how the effective swap of Abreu for Soriano could work out: more lineup balance, better power, slightly younger...
Okay, maybe not. I'd still rather have Bobby's on-base skills. But if you buy into the "changing the mix" argument, which I'm kind of agnostic on (I see no clear reason either to embrace it or dismiss it), the switch isn't a disaster.
What also bothers me is that I doubt we'll ever know the real story behind the Abreu trade. But it's in the past.
I've been saying this all along
I agree. Let's keep Burrell and give Soriano big money. Let's load up at the plate now and look for pitching at the trade deadline if we need it.
Arm?
And there's no way I sign the guy. No frigging way. He's guaranteed to be a PR disaster here: he's not white (it's moronic, but it matters here, in my opinion), he whiffs a LOT, he's the VERY DEFINITION of a "me me me - my numbers matter" guy (witness the batting cleanup to get his 100th rbi, etc), he's awful with runners on and all the other splits that people (incorrectly, IMO) focus on.
But the biggest reason is that he's not that good. And in 20xx, it's going to matter... (pick a number from 10 to 12). $16M/year for a .298 OBP with no position? He'd have to hit 70 homers, and he won't.
Ugh, and more ugh.
There are infinite combinations of $16M/year that help this team more. Add in $3M from Rowand, and we've got the resources to fix the holes.
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Yes, it is moronic. While I do believe that years ago the Phils have been guilty of being a franchise that didn't invest in black or hispanic players that is no longer the case. The fans are not that way. Dick Allen is still revered here. Last year, no one on the Phils was hated more than David Bell & Pat Burrell and they are both white. So that theory is out the window. Even if someone believed it was true, the organization should never nor should a fan use it as a reason not to bring a guy in.
Witness him batting in the 9 hole for the Yanks. Then he hit leadoff in the Yanks lineup for 2 years with no complaints. He lead off for the Rangers with no complaints. The Nats put him at 4 because he was the only story worth following the Nats for late in the year. That was the Nats marketing, not Soriano. It wouldn't matter here anyway because he'll be hitting in an RBI rich spot in the lineup. If you're going to point to one little thing and claim that it tells us he's a "me" player, you'd have to admit that his 3 years with the Yankees on a loaded team might suggest otherwise. The kid had accepted a switch to LF in spring training for the Yanks when he first came up(fact), but Torre decided to move him to 2nd when Chuck Knoblauch forgot how to throw. This after Soriano had been a SS coming up through the system. This is not a selfish player.
Do you have any basis whatsoever to think he'll have a sub .300 OBP at any point in his career or are you really stretching for negatives? The guy had the best OBP of his career last year.
Since he can't get any higher than #1 in the NL in outfield assists... would could he do to make you a believer in his arm? I just don't understand what people want from this guy? He is the only player in MLB history with 40 homeruns, 40 doubles, 40 steals, and 20 outfield assists in a season. The only player ever!
Where is this player that hits 40 HRs has a .400 OBP, is a gold glover, is white, and will come here on the cheap?
Name them. Let's hear it. So far I've read nothing from people here other why we shouldn't sign this guy and that guy is too expensive and I don't want this guy ect... What should the Phillies do? This is my problem with people. I'm okay with differing opinions and people who disagree on players. Granted, I think saying Soriano is "not that good" is kinda ridiculous(he's averaged 37 homers, 97 RBIs and 33 steals during the last five seasons) but I respect your opinion. As I do everyone here. Still, let's see a plan.
I'm very interested and open to seeing how anyone else thinks the money should be spent.
I have also yet to hear anyone refute the point that $16 mil a year is not what it once was and will mean even less in the coming years?
Too late?
Apparently ESPN Radio is calling it a done deal.
insane
Could be interesting that the Phils potentially are going to have problems spending the money they got with that newfound flexibilty. Who's left out there for them overspend on?
$$$ with no one to spend it on
by David S. Cohen on Nov 19, 2006 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
oops,,,
Well..
Barry
But it's so anti-Phillies thinking that we know it's impossible.
Tejada?
Still leaves a gaping hole in right...
Rollins at third?
by perfectdepth on Nov 20, 2006 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Unfortunately, with what's out there we are going to have to get creative.

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