Pat Gillick sucks

by fredex1 on Aug 6, 2006 5:51 PM EDT

I'm sure most of you agree, and i'm bored right now, it's 10 o'clock at night here in England, and I love my Phillies and it seems like a good idea to write up about them ! I'll give 5 reasons why Pat Gillick is a shit GM:

He has the same bloody fetish for 85 year old middle relievers as Ed 'I'm a dickhead' Wade. I mean, who da hell is Rick fucking White ? His jersey number is 00, and thats exactly how many more times he should pitch for the Phils.
He made the worst trade I can remember, dealing our best hitter and our most consistent pitcher, who by our standards was basically an ace. And what did he get back ? A MIDDLE RELIEVER ! Along with some shit that won't ever make it to the bigs, unless the Royals aqquire them.
He made that horrific trade when the Phils were in the playoff mix, only 5.5 games back. I know we were below .500, but if we'd been 10 games over .500 and 5.5 games back, do you still think he'd have made that trade ?
Of all the trades he made, the one he got the least for and the one he least had to make was the David Bell one. As much as you hate him, he was still one of out best players in terms of hitting with RISP and hitting in general.
He signed Abe Nunez for 7 million over 2 years. Enough said.

Thanks for reading, this helped me get alot of stuff of my chest as theres no one over here to talk about baseball with !

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OK let me get this straight

He has the same bloody fetish for 85 year old middle relievers as Ed 'I'm a dickhead' Wade. I mean, who da hell is Rick fucking White ? His jersey number is 00, and thats exactly how many more times he should pitch for the Phils.

>>>>These scrub pitchers wont be here next year so relax. They weren't built to win this year. Gillick was honest like it or not this is not a playoff team.

He made the worst trade I can remember, dealing our best hitter and our most consistent pitcher, who by our standards was basically an ace. And what did he get back ? A MIDDLE RELIEVER ! Along with some shit that won't ever make it to the bigs, unless the Royals aqquire them.

>>>>You can't judge this trade today. There is 16 mill off a contract that could be spent next year. Lets see who that sign with the money and then make the evaluation. They could use the money to trade, FA or anyway they see fit. If you followed this team you would have notice RP killed the team. Middle releiver is needed more than anyting now.

He made that horrific trade when the Phils were in the playoff mix, only 5.5 games back. I know we were below .500, but if we'd been 10 games over .500 and 5.5 games back, do you still think he'd have made that trade ?

>>>>>>Well if you paid attention they went from 5.5 games back to 2.5 games back. If they trade to trade Abreu last off season, I would say yeah anything to dump his money. Problem with your question is that they weren't 10 games over .500, they weren't winning with him. But they are winning without him.

Of all the trades he made, the one he got the least for and the one he least had to make was the David Bell one. As much as you hate him, he was still one of out best players in terms of hitting with RISP and hitting in general.

>>>>>Yeah kind of, but really you need to see what you have in Nunez, I dont like Nunez and another will be aquired, probably in trade.

He signed Abe Nunez for
7 million over 2 years. Enough said.

>>>>>>>>Come on Nunez is not signed for 7 millions dollars. He is paid as a utility infielder. Thats IT. Same with Gonzalez he was signed for $750,000. These were big FA signings that Gillick should be judged on.
PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Free agent infielder Abraham Nunez and the Philadelphia Phillies agreed Tuesday to a $3.35 million, two-year contract.

by Philsin06 on Aug 6, 2006 8:59 PM EDT 0 recs

Umm...

"These scrub pitchers wont be here next year so relax. They weren't built to win this year. Gillick was honest like it or not this is not a playoff team."

Wha? Yes they will. This dude brought in Arthur Rhodes, Ryan Franklin and a bunch of other crappy middle relievers. They may not be here, but ones like them.

"You can't judge this trade today."

You absolutely can. And the nonsense about them using money on free agents is just that, nonsense. I'll be refuting it much more in depth soon.

"Problem with your question is that they weren't 10 games over .500, they weren't winning with him. But they are winning without him."

They've also been winning since violence broke out in the Middle East. Correlation does not always mean causation.

"Yeah kind of, but really you need to see what you have in Nunez"

No you don't. He sucks. It's pretty clear. He's had a decade to prove he doesn't. Do you think we need to 'see what you have' in Wendell Magee Jr? We already know he sucks.

"I dont like Nunez and another will be aquired, probably in trade."

This is the problem. You have no evidence for this. There are no thirdbasemen out there. Who are they trading for? Who are they bringing in? I want names and maybe some evidence to support the supposition that they'll get that person. Until then, you're clearly wrong.

by DanT on Aug 6, 2006 9:47 PM EDT up 0 recs

Like I said

You want to be a hater go for it. But I like to spin positive things. I understand you are afraid of change, how the phils didnt have a true baseball mind running the team. Its not your fault, its what you saw all your life with Wade. I understand. But if you open your mind a little you will see that the phils will have 50 mil to spend in the offseason. They are going to aquire a 3rd baseman, they are going to aquire a catcher, they will sign pitchers. I have proof that they will spend money. They have spent money since the new staduim so why wouldn't i believe they wont spend money now. they spent 93 mil in 04, 95 mil in 05, and 88 mil this year plus 10 mil to thome. As far as 3b there is Nomar or Feliz you could get without spending alot. Catcher, Greg Zaun would be a nice addition, Bajaras wouldnt be a bad pickup. Or the could trade for someone like Ramirez, Ensburg. They could use a starter but really what they need is RP. Oh wait they just traded for some nice RP. Castro looks like a nice player, setup possible closer. Maybe just Maybe Burrell could be traded. I think Rowand will be gone. PROOF, there is proof all over the place 50 million proofs. Prove to ME that they wont spend the money. I dont need to show you proof they have always spent money since 04 now you show me how they dont. Besides its not how much you spend its how you spend it.

by Philsin06 on Aug 6, 2006 10:32 PM EDT up 0 recs

Okay

First, don't patronize me. It's not what I saw with Wade "all my life" because a) Wade spent a lot of money and b) I'm not a child.

And the issue isn't that they won't spend money. The issue is how they'll spend the money. There is NO ONE GOOD AVAILABLE. If you don't believe me, check out my diary.

by DanT on Aug 7, 2006 1:03 AM EDT 0 recs

I read your diary

Good Work. there are some half decent pitchers they can sign. but what gillick wants to do is see what young pitchers he has and build on them. Thats how you control finances. The phils cant spend the kind of money the Yanks and the Mets pay. They need to be responsible not like the last GM here. 1 year does not make the whole deal. There is a lot of mess to be cleaned up and lots of money being spent on players that dont produce to their contract. Like i said before, they need the RP to do alot of work, they need to be good. The young SP need to pitch and they need to sign RP to finish the games. Did you see how many RP failed to hold leads this year?

by Philsin06 on Aug 8, 2006 6:32 AM EDT up 0 recs

it won't be free agency

I'll be very, very surprised if the Phils spend big bucks on a free-agent starter. Like DanT--whose diary was excellent--I'm a little scared that they'll go after a clearly declining Mulder. But I don't think they'll go in to win a bidding war for him.

If a big-name pitcher comes, he will come in trade. The Abreu deal, horrendous though it was, could allow Gillick to do once or twice what Wade did again and again in his last years: trade cheap prospects for high-salaried vets. If we dealt Gio Gonzalez and Zach Segovia to Houston for Roy Oswalt, I'd be just fine with that.

On the larger point, I think the game has passed Gillick by--but he's made some decent-to-good moves as well as some awful ones. The Dellucci trade is starting to look like a flat-out steal for the Phils.

by dajafi on Aug 8, 2006 12:32 PM EDT 0 recs

Thats what i'm saying

if they get one it will be in a trade. Oswalt or Willis I believe will be the one. Guess what? its the right thing to do.

by Philsin06 on Aug 8, 2006 1:22 PM EDT up 0 recs

wish you were...

the Astros or Marlins GM.

Seriously, who do you think those two teams might want for an Oswalt or Willis? Or do you figure that because the Yankees beat up Gillick and took his lunch money in a salary-dump trade, the Phils can do it to some other unfortunate team looking to dump payroll?

by dajafi on Aug 12, 2006 6:24 PM EDT up 0 recs

Ok negadelphia

how about gonzales, golson, Jaramillo, and cash. do you think Florida would take that. Oswalt was almost traded at the deadline. Its not my job to get the players, I will leave that to gillick. The so called salary dump of saved money could send Fla. Did Fla do a salary dump with Boston this year with Beckett and Lowell. Now maybe Gillick can pull a Cabrera and Willis. They are available but its not my job to get them, if it were they would already be here.

by Philsin06 on Aug 14, 2006 11:55 AM EDT 0 recs

Here's a trade

Utley, Hamels & Howard for Cabrera & Willis. Florida would not take anything less, and even that may be ripping them off. Miguel Cabrera is so much better than anyone on the Phillies its not funny.

The problem is the Phils have no chips to trade. Hamels, Gonzalez, maybe Mathieson or Segovia. Happ? Otherwise, everyone else in the Phils system sucks.

You find me a team that needs to dump salary and a team that also has a stud pitcher and a massive salary it needs to unload. Then maybe there's a chance this could work.

by DanT on Aug 14, 2006 3:49 PM EDT up 0 recs

how about

Beckett, Mota, and Lowell for Hanley Ramirez, Harvey Garcia, Anibal Sanchez and Jesus Delgado

do you know what Ramirez batted last year in AA. try .271BA, 6 HR, 52 RBI.

How about haveing atleast 40 mil to spend plus what they save this year in dumping. Gonzalez or Mathieson would have to be in the deal. I have no problem if i am getting willis and a rotation of Willis, Myers and Hamels. That could be a big 3. The Marlins have to make the dump not the Phils, so tell me who has the money to afford both players. You can pay Rowands option and pay him to play for Fla. The phils have some good prospects, doesn't matter what you think.

by Philsin06 on Aug 14, 2006 7:58 PM EDT 0 recs

The problem

is that the Marlins don't have to make that dump. The trade with Boston was of a guy they couldn't keep and a huge contract (Lowell's) for prospects. So you have to pair the player you want with the really horrible contract. And you can't expect Aaron "Wait, we need to score runs?" Rowand to be a deal sweetener. Florida wouldn't want him for free.

Plus, we really don't have that many good prospects. We have, at most, four good pitching prospects in the entire organization, and no good position prospects. We can't gut the farm system.

Oh, and why in the blue hell would we want Dontrelle Willis?

by DanT on Aug 14, 2006 10:00 PM EDT up 0 recs

Because now you probably can get him cheaper

One bad year doesnt make a career. They should have traded him last offseason. Fla will always have to dump because they cant get anyone into their stadium and these guys are due big big contracts.

by Philsin06 on Aug 15, 2006 7:25 AM EDT 0 recs