The playoff roster
The two off-days between Sunday's decisive win and Wednesday's NLDS opener give the Phillies a chance to do a few important things: shake off the hangover, catch up on sleep, and decide what 25 players they want to bring to the field for the first round.
Before setting out whom I'd put on that 25-man roster, let's take a minute to review the oft-unclear rules about eligibility:
This explains how, in the classic example, Francisco Rodriguez was able to help the Angels win the title in 2002 despite still being in the minors on Aug. 31. He replaced Steve Green, who had been on the 60-day DL. As it happens, the Phillies have a half-dozen guys--Zagurski, Hernandez, Madson, Lieber, Garcia, and Mathieson--on the 60-day. So they can pretty much do whatever they choose.
Here's my first-round roster:
Catchers (2): Carlos Ruiz, Chris Coste
Infielders (7): Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Jimmy Rollins, Greg Dobbs, Tadahito Iguchi, Abraham Nunez, Wes Helms
Outfielders (5): Pat Burrell, Aaron Rowand, Shane Victorino, Jayson Werth, Michael Bourn
Pitchers (11): Cole Hamels, Kyle Kendrick, Kyle Lohse, Jamie Moyer, Brett Myers, Tom Gordon, J.C. Romero, Geoff Geary, Clay Condrey, J.D. Durbin, Fabio Castro
That leaves Rod Barajas, Pete LaForest, Chris Roberson, Antonio Alfonseca, Jose Mesa, Adam Eaton, Kane Davis and John Ennis that I can think of cheering from the bench.
The decision to take Helms over Barajas is predicated upon Ruiz being ready to go on Wednesday and start every game of the NLDS. If Carlos isn't close to 100 percent, you probably need Rod as the fallback.
As for the last two pitching slots, I'd take Durbin as the long man and Castro as a second lefty, but I expect the team to go with Alfonseca and either Mesa or Davis. I just don't trust Alf any farther than I can throw him (i.e. not at all), and Mesa still has no stuff. Davis might come in to strike someone out, but his command is worse than the other two guys.
Also interesting will be how Charlie Manuel sets his rotation. Hamels obviously takes the ball for Game One, but then it's ambiguous. I'm guessing Kyle Kendrick will start the second game, though Lohse could be an option as well. Jamie Moyer is probably unavailable until next weekend; does he start Game Three with Lohse for Game Four if needed, or should Lohse pitch out of the bullpen with Hamels coming back on short rest?
Finally, if the Phils get through the NLDS, they might get Ryan Madson back for the League Championship Series. Adding Madson to the Trusted Three of Myers, Gordon and Romero could flip the bullpen to an actual strength--hard to believe, Harry.
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Re: The playoff roster
Ruiz
Howard
Utley
Dobbs
Rollins
Burrell
Rowand
Victorino
Coste
Iguchi
Nunez
Helms
Werth
Bourn
Barajas
Hamels
Kendrick
Moyer
Lohse
Myers
Romero
Gordon
Geary
Condrey
Durbin
I think carrying more than 9 pitchers is pointless. First off, it's all hands on deck in the playoffs. You know that Romero, Gordon and Myers will pitch in every close game. Condrey is there to pitch an inning or two in a non-close game, Geary can pitch every day, and Durbin is the emergency long guy. Can anyone make a compelling argument as to why we'd need more pitchers?
by FTN414 on Oct 1, 2007 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by dajafi on Oct 1, 2007 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I think that it would be a crime to run out of bench players in a playoff game, and we know how quickly Charlie can burn a bench up with his defensive substitutions.
You know, thinking about it more, maybe you put Eaton on the roster and use him as a pinch hitter/pinch runner. I certainly wouldn't let him throw a baseball though.
by FTN414 on Oct 1, 2007 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by David S. Cohen on Oct 1, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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But several guys spoke, of course, and they all sounded fine. Big cheers for Coste, Rowand, Howard, Utley, and of course MVP chants for Rollins. Utley even tried out some announcements to see how well we could boo (without saying which team they played for): "Now batting: Brian Giles! Matt Holliday! Todd Helton!" Considering the number of fair-weather fans out there, I was impressed at the prompt recognition of Matt Holliday as one of the Enemy.
Speaking as someone who sometimes finds himself watching What Not to Wear (truly, a loathsome show, but the GF gets hooked sometimes) - well, let's just say Tim Gunn or the Fab Five would be giving these guys a total, top-to-bottom wardrobe makeover. Utley looked like he was trying out for Starsky and Hutch; J-Roll looked like he was showing up for a guest spot on Yo! MTV Raps circa 1988. Jayson Werth - not even sure what that was, but it looked like he sewed it himself.
by The Navigator on Oct 1, 2007 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by taco pal on Oct 1, 2007 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by das411 on Oct 2, 2007 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by delb3175 on Oct 1, 2007 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by dajafi on Oct 1, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Myers
Romero/Gordon
Lohse
Geary
That's 5 guys there. I don't see a situation where you need Mesa or Alf, because Condrey has pitched just as well or better over the last 3 months. With an off day between Game 2/3, you can use the above 5 guys in every game and still not need Condrey.
by FTN414 on Oct 1, 2007 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by David S. Cohen on Oct 1, 2007 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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Also, what happens if the Phillies get blown out, especially in game 1 or 3? You don't want to use the Big 3 in that situation, but unless Condrey can give you 5 or 6 innings, you might have to. I know it's the playoffs and all, but given how hard they've been ridden the past month, I think you want them as fresh as possible when it really matters.
I'm not opposed to carrying only 9 pitchers per se. If they're going to use Bourn to shadow Burrell, then maybe you want a speedy pinch runner and Laforest as a left-handed bat could be useful, especially against the Padres who don't have a bona fide lefty killer. There's a lot more mixing and matching to do with the hitters, but more contingency planning with the pitchers. How would you weigh them?
by enterpsmith on Oct 1, 2007 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Condrey
by Alon on Oct 1, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by char6587 on Oct 1, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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And he can hit in a pinch if necessary.
by jonk on Oct 1, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FTN414 on Oct 2, 2007 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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My point wasn't what we "need" for post season, cause we don't "need" 11 or 12 pitchers. But we do "need" to keep our free agent involved since he is here for 2 more years. I am not looking at deserve, I am just looking at the bigger picture.
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by Dalton Bouchee on Oct 1, 2007 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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