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Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2

Tip your cap: Jeff Francis pitched six very strong innings, Todd Helton hit his 5th (!) career triple against the Phillies, Matt Holliday out-MVP'd Jimmy Rollins, and Colorado took its second ever playoff  victory.

On the Phils' side, heroes were fewer to come by: Cole Hamels was brilliant but for the one awful inning, and Aaron Rowand and Pat Burrell hit solo home runs. Throw J.C. Romero and Brett Myers in there for scoreless relief work if you so choose.

Charlie Manuel made a couple mistakes. One, Jayson Werth should have been in to start the game--and probably should have been pinch-hit for Victorino with a man on second and two out in the 5th--considering how he hits lefties. Two, Michael Bourn absolutely had to steal the base with one out in the bottom of the 7th, a slow-to-the-plate righty on the mound, and a weak-armed catcher behind the plate.

But mostly this was Jeff Francis's day--and he did it at the expense of the Phils' offensive superstars. Rollins, Chase Utley and Ryan Howard were a combined 0 for 11 with a walk and eight strikeouts, and it's a rare day that the Phils can win without any contribution from those three.

Back at 'em tomorrow when rookie Kyle Kendrick takes the hill for as a close to a must-win as you can get without facing elimination.

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Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
Wow, you guys clear out fast. I put this up three hours ago, and bupkis. Not even any complaints about the umpiring?

(Not that I thought the Incredible Expanding Strike Zone cost the Phils the game--but it didn't help.)

by dajafi on Oct 3, 2007 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
The umpiring didn't look good from my vantage point - even Howard was livid at the end of the game, and he's usually pretty controlled.

But this was all about the top of the Phillies lineup.  When it doesn't get on base, the team isn't going to score.  After all, the team hasn't won a game scoring only 2 runs all year.

by David S. Cohen on Oct 3, 2007 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
My problem with the umpire was that his strike zone expanded noticeably in the last two innings. Even the announcers were saying all day how the pitchers were not getting calls just off the plate. But on the last pitch to Howard, they made the rare move of outright disagreeing with the call on the air.

by Seth @ The Good Phight on Oct 4, 2007 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
should we expect to be seeing werth tomorrow?

this game should definitely not be blamed on the umps - howard probably would have struck out anyway,and I didn't find the calls to be too one-sided.

definitely agree with you about bourne.

I'm not sure this has as much to do with Francis as he is getting credit for.  Rollins and Utley both had a bunch of ugly swings, and I really hope it doesn't carry over to tomorrow's game.

I know it was a must-win type game, but should there be any second guessing about using myers?  I thought flash was pitching well and could have easily finished off the 8th, where Romero could have done the ninth.  After Rollins/Vic/Utley all crumpled in the 8th, it really seemed like we were out of it and I'm not sure bringing in Myers to take care of the bottom of the order was really necessary.

by char6587 on Oct 3, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
there's no second guessing that. any game within (at least) three runs either way, Romero/Gordon/Myers are pitching. with the rest days, there's no reason they can't pitch in every game.

and why not? it's easy to say in retrospect, oh, they all quit after the eighth. but why would you risk it? with this team, two runs - even against a good pitcher - should be no reason to throw in the towel.

by perfectdepth on Oct 3, 2007 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
You don't let Gordon face Helton and Hawpe.  Seriously.

by jonk on Oct 3, 2007 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
well, yes. but that's a different question than "should you pitch Alfonseca in the 9th inning of a 4-2 game?"

by perfectdepth on Oct 3, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
The only real errors I can fault Manuel for are not starting Werth and not giving Bourn the steal sign. We used 3 players for that 1 spot in the lineup and it turned into a double play.

by FTN414 on Oct 3, 2007 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
Not starting Werth amd certainly not pinch hitting him with a runner on first when Vic almost GIDP.

Not smart to not split Howard and Utley with Burrell and it burned them.  Not that it burned them with a lefty, but that they took Francis out and brought in a righty to pitch to Burrell.  If he splits the lefties you either gotta make 2 moves or let him hit against the lefty.  Burrell ended up popping up on the first pitch.  That was a significant bad move that would probably not be noticed.

by jonk on Oct 3, 2007 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
yeah, they were generally not having much success with Vic hitting 2nd and Burrell hitting 6th down the stretch anyways.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 3, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Re: Bourne

Hawkins is very quick to the plate on his fastball--1.12 to 1.18 according to Manuel.  Manuel said he is a little slower sometimes on his breaking pitches, but sending Bourne means you have to be able to guess teh breaking pitch or he's pretty much a dead duck on any decent throw.  1.12-8 is VERY quick.

This is essentially the answer manuel gave post-game.

Werth should have started--they have too much respect for Victorino's speed, which ain't useful heading back to the bench.  And Burrell absolutely has to split the lefties v Colorado given Fuentes' effectiveness v both Utley and Howard.

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by phillychuck on Oct 3, 2007 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
It should also be noted that IIRC, Hawkins pitched out once during that AB.

Charlie made some mistakes, but they're pretty nitpicky. This team just couldn't hit today. Werth would have been a better choice than Victorino, but it's not like Victorino's some sort of slouch, plus Werth has been a little bit cold lately.

by taco pal on Oct 3, 2007 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
Pat not splitting Utley and Howard is flat out ridiculous.

by jonk on Oct 4, 2007 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
Wasn't aware of that. Thanks pc. The TBS guys seemed to think Hawkins was slow to the plate, but I trust Charlie over the people who thought our third baseman was "West" Helms.

Gotta hope he'll do the smart thing tomorrow and go with the Burrell 3rd/Werth 6th lineup.

by dajafi on Oct 3, 2007 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
I'm scared about tomorrow. I really don't want to face another lefty. Morales is extreme tough on lefties also (they are only hitting at a .129 clip against him. Seeing Howard and Utley flail away like they were swinging spaghetti instead of wood churned my stomach. I am pretty confident that Manuel will get the idea and put Burrell between Chase and Ryan. Also, Kendrick had the worst start of his short career against the Rockies. Either history will repeat itself or he will get some redemption.

There is always the distinct possibility that both pitchers will look like the minor leaguers they were not so long ago under the pressure of the big stage. In which case we might see the slugfest that everyone is predicting.

I agree with everyone who has said this is a must win game and I don't know about you all, but tomorrow is too soon for this to be over.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 1:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
So now that the entire team (including Myers, IMHO it was a smart move to get him into his first playoff game when it is not super high pressure) knows what these games feel like, let's hope the bats awaken tomorrow and this team has a little more 2003 Marlins in it and a little less 2006 Dodgers.

(and, remind me, how did the last team that lost a playoff game to the Rockies, end up doing overall that year?)

by das411 on Oct 4, 2007 2:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Postgame: Rockies 4, Phillies 2
I don't know if anyone can come up with this, but does anyone know what the best 20 game stretch for a team is?  IE. 18 - 2.  I mean the Rockies are 15 and 1 in their last 16.  It seems to me that they are due to loose 3 or 4 here.  If we're not going to play well, let's atleast hope statistics can be on our side.

by foos05 on Oct 4, 2007 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

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