Game Two: Rockies at Phillies, 10/4/07
Lineups have been posted:
Colorado
2b Matsui
ss Tulowitzki
lf Holliday
1b Helton
3b Atkins
rf Hawpe
cf Spilborghs
c Torrealba
p Morales
PHILLIES
ss Rollines
2b Utley
lf Burrell
1b Howard
cf Rowand
rf Werth
3b Helms
c Ruiz
p Kendrick
Good news here, as noted, is that Werth is in and Burrell splits the lefties.
A bit about Colorado starter Franklin Morales: the 21 year-old lefty spent most of the season at AA and AAA, pitching well in hitter-friendly leagues; he made his major league debut Aug. 18 with 5 1/3 innings of no-decision ball versus the Dodgers. He went four, five, and three innings in his next three starts before notching his first win against the Phillies on Sept. 11. Morales finished 3-2 with a 3.43 ERA in 39.1 innings, allowing 34 hits and 14 walks and striking out 26. He surrendered just two homers. In the minors, he was a bit more wild, walking 13 in his 17.1 innings with Colorado Springs, but he's never been prone to the longball: Morales has allowed just 32 home runs in 428 minor-league innings.
Kyle Kendrick last pitched six days ago, against the Braves in a game almost as pressure-packed as this one promises to be: he went six innings, blanking Atlanta for the first five to earn his 10th victory. Kendrick is the first Phils rookie to win 10 games since Pat Combs in 1990. The team's hopes ride in no small part on his becoming the first Phillies rookie to win in the playoffs since Charles Hudson in 1983.
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Re: Game Two: Rockies at Phillies, 10/4/07
by enterpsmith on Oct 4, 2007 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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- They won scoring 3 runs only 3 times this year.
- The last time they won scoring 2 runs was August 23, 2006 (Myers starting at Chicago).
- The last time they won scoring 1 run was April 16, 2006 (Myers starting at Colorado).
by David S. Cohen on Oct 4, 2007 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by David S. Cohen on Oct 4, 2007 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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He's got the same kind of glare that Pappelbon has.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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I REALLY REALLY hate this ballpark.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
these guys are good
by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by espo on Oct 4, 2007 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by David S. Cohen on Oct 4, 2007 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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looks like Morales is not immune to the jitters.
Lots of runs today.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by garyragel on Oct 4, 2007 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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5 ABs, 5 K's.
Platinum Sombrero so far.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by garyragel on Oct 4, 2007 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by David S. Cohen on Oct 4, 2007 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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P.S. I bet 20 bucks that howard strikes out here.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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Utley and Howard are struggling with the lefties, but let's remember that without them we're all doing something else on this too-hot Thursday afternoon.
Morales has pretty good stuff, it's also worth noting. Electric stuff.
by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cool Kyle
Now he needs a little help.
by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by David S. Cohen on Oct 4, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by enterpsmith on Oct 4, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by enterpsmith on Oct 4, 2007 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by David S. Cohen on Oct 4, 2007 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by garyragel on Oct 4, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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Anyone have the stat on the last time the Phils had a cycle in the playoffs?
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by David S. Cohen on Oct 4, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by espo on Oct 4, 2007 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by garyragel on Oct 4, 2007 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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Great inning there--excellent at-bats from Helms, Chooch, and Good Jimmy. Even Utley's out was very encouraging--he drove that pitch, just didn't get quite enough of it. Probably he gets better from here.
Nice to have a lead. Now let's hold it!
by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
beautiful
He's thrown 45 pitches, Morales 52. The Phils need to keep the pressure on and not let the kid get into a groove.
by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
double ouch
Seven-pitch inning for Morales, and he's right back in the swing. Not good.
by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kendrick out
by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kendrick out
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kendrick out
I've been wrong so often this year. Why couldn't this have been one of those times?
Not only did that backfire as badly as possible, we now lose Lohse for Game Three. I hate Gramps in that park as much as I hated the move to pull Kendrick.
We'd better come back and win this one.
by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Kendrick out
SERIES...OVER...
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by char6587 on Oct 4, 2007 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by garyragel on Oct 4, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by garyragel on Oct 4, 2007 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by espo on Oct 4, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by foos05 on Oct 4, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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It was a bonehead move by Manuel. But the team doesn't suck.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by foos05 on Oct 4, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by foos05 on Oct 4, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by char6587 on Oct 4, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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You guys are all a little overwrought here. I'm upset too. But Utley, Manuel, Lohse... they've all done a hell of a lot more good than harm this season.
Besides, think of it this way: Lohse giving up that bomb probably cost him a couple million bucks, and ten percent of that was for Bora$s...
by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by espo on Oct 4, 2007 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by enterpsmith on Oct 4, 2007 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by foos05 on Oct 4, 2007 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by char6587 on Oct 4, 2007 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by enterpsmith on Oct 4, 2007 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I guess I still think he should get a new deal. That is just me venting out loud.
P.S. Mesa needs to be taken out before we end up down double digits.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mesa
Thinking about it a little more, the Kendrick decision wasn't indefensible. He'd left some pitches up and Matsui had gotten him last time. But Lohse isn't a reliever by trade and bringing him into a bad jam mid-inning just wasn't likely to work out well.
Then having him ignore the scouting report... 'nuff said.
by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: mesa
I really effing hate Mesa. Hate everything about him. Garbage pitcher, garbage human being, and the fact that he walked the first two actually didn't even bother me because I knew what was coming as soon as Colorado put one in play.
It's tough to get out-managed by Clint Hurdle, but Manuel's done it in these two games.
by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: mesa
I would ask him something along the lines of: "Considering Mesa's complete ineffectiveness throughout the season, what was your thought process in bringing him into a must win game where your team was already down 3?"
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: mesa
The only answer to that, the only semi-rational answer, is "experience." And that's crap. Kane Davis has no command but at least can throw it past someone. Fabio Castro, same deal. Hell, John freakin' Ennis has more stuff than Mesa.
Mesa was marginally effective even a few years ago because he still had enough velocity and movement on his fastball to retire bad hitters. Now he has a straight-as-string 90 mph fastball, and a flat slider that's the equivalent to batters of Paris Hilton on roofies. It's borderline-miraculous that he ever records an out.
As Dave Cohen noted, it's indefensible that he's on the roster, and much worse that he was in this must-win game.
by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: mesa
I knew that Castro wasn't going to make the post-season roster cuz Chollie doesn't trust him. When Mesa walked the first two hitters, I was thinking, "Hell, Chuck, Fabio could do THAT" But at least Castro might throw the ball BY somebody. Which is more than you could say for Joe Table.
Actually, before that, when they said that Mesa was coming in, all I could think of were white flags.
by Dalton Bouchee on Oct 4, 2007 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: mesa
by FuquaManuel on Oct 5, 2007 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Game Two: Rockies at Phillies, 10/4/07
by David S. Cohen on Oct 4, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by foos05 on Oct 4, 2007 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by char6587 on Oct 4, 2007 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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I think we would have a down year next year if Manuel wasn't resigned. I don't see any manager they could bring in that the players would play as well under as they do Manuel.
The players seem unanimous in their support for Manuel.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Game Two: Rockies at Phillies, 10/4/07
I didn't criticize Manuel for pulling kendrick, but bringing in Mesa is inexcusable. He really shouldn't have even been on the roster. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm progressing through the stages of grief pretty rapidly.
by enterpsmith on Oct 4, 2007 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by David S. Cohen on Oct 4, 2007 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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2 walks. Did anyone expect anything different?
We still have to see the grand finale: the 3-run bomb.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by garyragel on Oct 4, 2007 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by garyragel on Oct 4, 2007 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by David S. Cohen on Oct 4, 2007 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FTN414 on Oct 4, 2007 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Game Two: Rockies at Phillies, 10/4/07
Yesterday's loss didn't bug me all that much. This one is a gut-punch, probably because we had the lead and Manuel's managed a bad game.
by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Game Two: Rockies at Phillies, 10/4/07
A for yes
B for no
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by char6587 on Oct 4, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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Is he managing a terrible series? Yeah. But they're also being outplayed.
Besides, ask yourself this question: do you trust Pat Gillick and Ruben Amaro to hire someone who'd do a better job?
by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Game Two: Rockies at Phillies, 10/4/07
But this is really indicitive of his tactical deficiencies.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by enterpsmith on Oct 4, 2007 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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It mostly comes down to talent. The Phillies' pitching staff is three, maybe four guys deep. Has any team ever won with so few quality arms?
All that said, it's true that tactical shortcomings show up in the playoffs--as Bobby Cox, probably the archetype of the kind of "good manager" Manuel is, can attest.
by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Game Two: Rockies at Phillies, 10/4/07
You look at the Phillies compared to other playoff teams and they just don't have the starting pitching. As surprisingly good as Kendrick's been, he's more of a 4/5 going forward rather than a guy you want starting Game 2. This is in my view, the single best argument for bringing Myers back into the rotation: He has power stuff and can dominate a game. Hopefully the Phillies reach a similar conclusion during the offseason, because they really need two guys in the rotation and I just don't think they find those 2 guys from outside the organization.
by enterpsmith on Oct 4, 2007 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by dajafi on Oct 4, 2007 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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Imagine if we hadn't wasted Hamels start yesterday. It would be much easier to shrug this game off in that case.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 4, 2007 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by enterpsmith on Oct 4, 2007 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by David S. Cohen on Oct 4, 2007 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by philnot on Oct 4, 2007 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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I mean, probably not - everyone knows these sports-chat-blogs are heavily dominated by men - but, jeez, women are welcome here too. No need for them to "take it like a man."
(Or, espo might just be a kid. Same rules apply.)
And then there's the question of what it is about "licking your wounds" that is especially man-like. Speaking as a man myself, I try to use something more anti-septic.
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