'08 or '09?
I was thinking last night about how historically rare it must be for the Phillies to have four players as good and as cheap as Cole Hamels, Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley. By one measure, the quartet combined for 97 of the team's 260 total Win Shares. For 2008, the Big Four will earn about $21 million combined--$7 million for Rollins (can we now agree that Jimmy's contract was Ed Wade's greatest achievement?), $7.5m for Utley, about $6 million for Howard and $500,000 or so for Hamels. I haven't looked at it closely, but of the ten or so best teams in baseball, I doubt any of them are getting so much production from their four best players, for so little money.
But after 2008, a couple things happen: Rollins and Utley enter their 30s, with Howard a year behind, and three of the four get considerably more expensive. Rollins gains just another $0.5 million--all (well, much) is forgiven, Ed!--but Utley's compensation jumps to $11 million, and unless they suddenly turn into pumpkins, Howard and the arbitration-eligible Hamels stand to make about $9 million and $4 million respectively for 2009. The Big Four combined will pull down about $34 million--still quite reasonable, but less so. (All contract information from the great Cot's site.)
Given that 2008 will be the last year that the core guys will be relatively cheap, the temptation is there to say that the Phils should declare "championship or bust," doing whatever it takes to bring a title to Philadelphia. It's also Pat Gillick's final season in the GM chair, which must work toward a win-now mindset. But there's a counter-argument as well that suggests 2009 is the year to reach for it all.
This has to do with all the contracts that will come off the books after next season, at which point the team's payroll should better align with the value of its roster:
OF Pat Burrell, $14 million
SP Jamie Moyer, $5.5 million
RP Tom Gordon, $5.5 million
IF Wes Helms, $2.15 million
That's over $27 million, more than enough to absorb the increases due the Big Four (as well as secondary players like Shane Victorino, assuming he's still on hand) and make at least one, probably two, big-ticket additions. Actually, depending on how the team chooses to handle Brad Lidge, who's likely to make about $6.5 million for 2008 and is a free agent afterward, there could be even more flexibility. (The post-2008 budget windfall also explains the Phils' late pursuit of Mike Lowell, who probably was offered a heavily backloaded contract.) Finally, I think the Phils' obligations to the White Sox stemming from the Jim Thome trade are either complete or much diminished after 2008.
A final consideration might be that the farm system is likely to look better a year from now than it does today. If 2006 top pick Kyle Drabek can return from last spring's Tommy John surgery and '07 first-rounder Joe Savery continues his good work, the team could have a crop of nearly-ready power arms including current top prospects Carlos Carrasco and Josh Outman. Right now, the system lacks the depth or high ceilings needed to make a run at available superstars like Miguel Cabrera and Johan Santana; that might not be true in twelve months' time.
So, all things considered, whoever succeeds Pat Gillick will be handed the keys to a pretty nice car. He'll have to replace Burrell's production, almost certainly from outside the organization--there are no power bats in the upper levels of the system. But in-house replacements for Moyer and Gordon seem a reasonable expectation, given the young pitching talent of the system.
This isn't to say that the Phils shouldn't be aggressive over the remainder of this Hot Stove season. But the big picture could look even better in a year's time.
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Of course, you could say the same for "'09 or bust", too. I think that the team's at a point where they can operate with the idea of sustained excellence in mind. Which, I suppose, is what DAJAFI is getting at? Don't get so focused on next year that you undermine the next one...or more.
by Dalton Bouchee on Nov 27, 2007 4:57 PM EST reply actions
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In some relative sense, the Phillies are a now team: their four best guys are under control for a few years yet, as are nice complementary pieces like Myers and Victorino. Sometime in the next 2-3 years, it probably will behoove them to bust the budget, cash in prospects and try to win it all, at the expense of later seasons. I'm just not clear--and, annoyingly, I'm no more clear at this moment than when I started to write this piece, in fact probably less clear--what the best moment is to push all the chips to the center of the table.
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The way I see, that period is from now until 2010 at the absolute latest.
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It's not to denigrate Arbuckle or Wade or Wolever or whoever to say that there was a lot of luck in getting those four to the bigs as good as they've been. Maybe there are guys in our system now who will prove to be as good, but I don't see them. So the window of opportunity--to use a phrase Eagles fans have gotten sick of (this one, at any rate)--lasts as long as those four are truly in their primes and not prohibitively expensive.
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Utley was a solid prospect, but the thought never crossed my mind circa 2002 that he'd ever become an MVP candidate.
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Look at it this way:
- FLA. Fire sale mode. Again.
- WSH. Some nice young talent, but this year's theme is "Make as much money off the new park as possible, while gearing up for a run in '09 and beyond." Make no mistake, they will be dangerous then. But for now, lets just say they don't have the firepower to keep up.
- NY(N). After the collapse, there are some bodies on that team that have to go, or the press up there is going to grind them to dust. Brain damaged is the only way to describe that team right now.
- ATL. Up and down, but it won't be that way forever. Eventually they are going to put together some sustained excellence, but probably not until they get a bit younger. You have to expect it from them. They've been doing it for too long.
- PHI. Let's see. 3B, maybe another solid starter (hard to find, but they are out there), and what else? Not much. The offense, even without Rowand, can still outscore the pitching staff, so what the hell?
Taking on a AL team in October? Good Luck with that one. But, if you can get that far...
I realize this is all in very general terms, but I really believe that the window is '08. You can stretch it to'09, but by 2010, you waited too long. I say take the chance now before the rest of the division, and the league catches up.
Another thing to consider: There is a reasonable possibility that at least one, and as many as three of the big four could be playing old by then. Could very well have a high-priced infield who's performance is in decline at that point in time.
by glenntwo on Nov 27, 2007 10:52 PM EST reply actions
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The Phils are one of the top three teams in the NL, if not the top team. Arizona won the division but was outscored by over a hundred runs. Chicago barely won the central, and barely cleared .500. The Mets flat choked, as well as San Diego. Colorado? The Rockies were great fun to watch, but I would be willing o wager that a streak like that to end a season won't be seen in either league for another hundred years, if ever. It was a fluke.
In trying to create a perfect monster, a lot of people forget that the whole object is just to win the last game of the season. You don't have to be the perfect team, just the one that outlasts everyone else. Whether it takes 85 wins or a 105 wins to get to the playoffs and win the league doesn't really matter (remember the '06 Cardinals?). You just have to be better than the rest of the teams you play. And right now, Philly is about as close to being the best team in the NL as they can be. It's time to pull the trigger.
by glenntwo on Nov 29, 2007 10:27 PM EST reply actions
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(my guess as to PG's surprise in-season pickup: Adrian Beltre)
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