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It's the offense people...

And it is all of them.  We are 0-2 not because of Madson and Gordon.  Sure, they didn't help and Madson picked up both losses, but when you score 5 runs in 2 games, you really can't expect to win both or really, either.

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Utley has been poor, Rowand hasn't done much, Howard and Burrell haven't shown any power.  Not that there can be much analysis here since it is just two games, but those are the facts and that pretty much sums it all up.

The biggest issue with Manuel is how he handles Burrell.  He doesn't split up the lefties and then has to pull him early in the game for a baserunner/defensive replacement.  This stadium doesn't NEED a defensive replacement in left.  Small outfields mean that a player like Burrell can handle it just fine.

Nothing to get too overly dramatic about.  Yeah, it is REALLY frustrating.  No, losing isn't good.  But they will win a game some day.  I am sure it will happen.

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Re: It's the offense people...
There's definitely the danger of overconcluding--and Smoltz/Hudson (who seems to be back closer to his A's form than the more or less mediocre guy the Braves have paid these last two years) aren't bad either.

It's just frustrating as hell to lose two winnable games, and waste great efforts from our own two best pitchers.

The Manuel stuff you highlight is right on target. Isn't this the sort of in-game dumbassery Jimy Williams is there to deter?

by dajafi on Apr 5, 2007 2:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: It's the offense people...
agreed.  i was at the game tonight, and when i saw we had utley, bourn and rowand up in the 11th, i knew the best we could really do that inning was a tie with utley hitting a homer, and hoping maybe ruiz up after rowand would do something.

now if burrell was in there, i would have thought there was hope.  dont' get me wrong, i love bourn, but i would have much rather seen burrell in that spot.  he didn't need to be pulled when he was.  

sigh... 160 more to go.

by goldenmonkey on Apr 5, 2007 2:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: It's the offense people...
Whenever I hear fans and radio personalities talking nonsense about the Eagles - "McNabb stinks! We need a big running back! Fire Andy Reid, he's not a winner!" - it's easy to ignore, because I'm safe in the knowledge that the people running the Eagles aren't that stupid.

But what if the people running the Phillies ARE that stupid?

Charlie Manuel clearly shares the common opinion about Pat Burrell, and his handling of Burrell is costing the Phillies runs. Pat Gillick sure seemed to believe what people said about Bobby Abreu, and look how that turned out. Sure I'm overreacting (just 2 games, just 2 games), but I think it's more than a little worrisome that the manager is so blinded by a stat as capricious and non-predictive as BA w/ RISP that he forgets about something as simple as lefty-righty matchups.

by Seth @ The Good Phight on Apr 5, 2007 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: It's the offense people...
But what if the people running the Phillies ARE that stupid?

They are.  We have no reason to believe otherwise.

by David S. Cohen on Apr 5, 2007 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: It's the offense people...
Forget the stupid "Goosebumps" slogan that they're using now - clearly the marketing slogan for 2007 should be: "Phillies Baseball: Same As It Ever Was..."

Weren't we assured that, having purged the roster of the lazy, no heart, no hustle Latin Americans, Abreu and Padilla*, this team was supposed to be so full of grit, fire in the belly, and steely-eyed determination that we would no longer be capable of blowing games like the first two?  But you know what wins about a zillion times more baseball games than grit, fire in the belly, and steely-eyed determination?  Having more players who are good at baseball than the other team.  Therefore, I would posit that if you are eager to unload players who are good at baseball solely because they are lazy, no heart, no hustle Latin Americans, you should make it a top priority to get players who are good at baseball in return.  Well done, Pat Gillick, well done.

On a related note, can someone explain to me why we were so eager to give Eaton 3 years/$24 million, but wouldn't give Padilla the $4 million he was due in arbitration last year?  I mean, aside from the fact that Eaton is white and Padilla is a lazy, no heart, no hustle Latin American.  If nothing else, let him pitch a month or two for you to get his trade value back up.

* = I realize that Abe Nunez is still on the team, but he gets a pass because he played alongside David Eckstein for a year, so he can't but help to have absorbed some modicum of grit, fire in the belly, and steely-eyed determination from Eckstein, who, as we all know from the World Series last year, possesses these qualities in such abundance and excess that they radiate from his body like so much heat and light from our sun.

by kuff6 on Apr 5, 2007 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: It's the offense people...
Please note the sarcasm, lest anyone think me a raving racist.

by kuff6 on Apr 5, 2007 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: It's the offense people...
You are hispanic witht he name Abraham anyway.

by jonk on Apr 5, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The offense did enough last night
I won't make excuses for Gordon blowing the game. It was all on him. At least we can assume the lineup will start producing runs at some point, I don't think this bullpen will get any better.

It's like dejavu. They'll be 6 games behind the Mets and the Braves before this month is over.

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by JasonB on Apr 5, 2007 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: The offense did enough last night
This is the truth, Gordon crapped the bed last night, but ideally you get enough runs so you don't have to be stuck in a situation where your closer has to be perfect every single time.  There's lots of blame to go around for these two losses, it's not just the bullpen.

by WholeCamels on Apr 5, 2007 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: The offense did enough last night
The goal is to outscore your opponents.  It doesn't matter when the runs are scored.  If you only score 2 runs, that ain't enough.  The game is 9 innings long.  Gordon wasn't good, but the pitching overall was good enough.  The hitting sucked.

by jonk on Apr 5, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: A 2 run lead for your closer
I think you fail to really grasp that the closer is just a pitcher like anyone else on the staff.  They can have good days and bad days.  To think they are infallible is senseless.  Most times Gordon will hold a 2 run lead.  But, if the Phils had a 3 or 4 run lead, they win that game.

by jonk on Apr 6, 2007 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: A 2 run lead for your closer
Not really. What I think you "fail to grasp" is that the closer is paid more than any other guy in the bullpen because his job is to be the guy who takes a  lead of 3 runs or less into the final inning and come out with a win.

If you think that the Phils need a 3-4 run lead going into the 9th every game, then you also must think this team will be lucky to be .500 this year...

It is very simple. You hand a closer(or any pitcher) a 2 run lead in the 9th and he blows it, that's his fault. It's not the fault of the offense for not blowing out the opposition. Would I like to see more runs scored? Sure, but that's beside the point. What if the game was 10-8 going into the final frame? Who would you blame the loss on then?

Bottom line is that it's the closer's job to get a save with a 2 run lead.

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by JasonB on Apr 6, 2007 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: It's the offense people...
As you guys have mentioned, tough to analyze anything after two games, but when the same warts keep appearing year after year, it's troubling.  Gordon thinks the pitch to McCann was great.  I've always been told to not throw down and in to lefties, but I guess I've been taught wrong.  They left runs on the bases again (Victorino, what are you doing?), but you can't blow that game in the ninth.  Blowing two well pitched games, at home, to a division rival while the Mets destroyed the Cards in three straight is very disheartening.  With a very shaky Eaton to take the mound today, the offense needs to step up and take some pressure off the pitchers.  After this, we have to go to Florida and N.Y., they better win today or it looks like another bad April.  It's amazing the deja vu.  I hear it over and over and over again from my dearly departed father:  "Good teams find a way to win, bad teams find a way to lose."  The Phillies are not a bad team, but they don't seem to be a good team right now either.  Man that game hurt last night....

by delb3175 on Apr 5, 2007 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: It's the offense people...
The April thing is just strange.  Obviously it's too early to judge the entire month, but we've had three seasons in a row where the offense has been at or near the top in the league but in April, it's been horrible.

by David S. Cohen on Apr 5, 2007 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: It's the offense people...
If they don't strand 11 guys in game 1, Renteria's homer in the 8th doesn't matter.

If Victorino doesn't do the stupidest thing I've seen in quite some time in the 8th, the Phils pick up at least one more run in that game.

So far, even though the bullpen has been bad, the offense is just as much to blame.

by Alex Falzone on Apr 5, 2007 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, today it's everything
Eaton was actually sharp for awhile, then totally collapsed after walking the pitcher in the 5th. The offense gets guys on almost every inning, then immediately goes into its shell. At least the people who go to the games to boo are, presumably, getting a gratifying experience.

Three games in, three losses, three games back. w00t

by dajafi on Apr 5, 2007 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: well, today it's everything
Oh, the boo-birds are having a great time. They just booed Burrell because he didn't try to score from second on a Rowand line drive single that was absolutely smoked to left field. Apparently he should be taking chances on the basepaths when down we're down by 7 runs. Oh, and Burrell was on second base because he'd just hit his second double of the game, the first one having knocked in the Phils' only run to that point. But whatever, he sucks.

by Seth @ The Good Phight on Apr 5, 2007 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget the "Burrell sucks" chants
They have to lay off this guy. He was a bright spot on the team today..

Also... How about Clay Condrey? Not bad!

Bleeding Green Nation Philadelphia Eagles Blog

by JasonB on Apr 5, 2007 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

More chants...
of course the Eagles chants have started...

Didn't take long to blow this positivity!

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by JasonB on Apr 5, 2007 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: It's the offense people...
33 LOB in 3 games...that's bad.

But at least they're getting that many guys on base.  That should regress to the mean soon (hopefully, next-series-soon).

by Alex Falzone on Apr 6, 2007 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: It's the offense people...
Well, I'll discount that last inning for no other reason than it gotme excited and then pissed.

by jonk on Apr 6, 2007 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mitre tonight for the Fish
If the offense is going to get healthy, tonight would be a good place to start, with the Fins' batting practice coach on the mound.

by Behan @ The Good Phight on Apr 6, 2007 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: It's the offense people...
Actually it is the bullpen. Sorry, but when you're four and three outs from two wins -- it's the bullpen. The offense has been a disappointment -- albeit a secondary disappointment. The pen is most culpable and correctly taking the blame.

Madsen just doesn't appear to have the stones to handle any tough situations. I would rather see Geary in the 8th. He's a tough little SOB.

by philsme on Apr 6, 2007 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: It's the offense people...
With two fantastic spring trainings in a row, followed by a horrible 2006 regular season and what is starting as a horrible 2007, is it premature to start referring to Madson as Mr. March?

by kuff6 on Apr 6, 2007 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

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