Big game tonight...
While the title is certainly an understatement, I mean, all these games are BIG, tonight's is especially big. I think it not only our best pitching matchup but also gives the Phillis an opportunity to right the wrong they did in this series.
Right now we are looking at these matchups:
Game 5: Hamels vs Billingsly
Game 6: Myers vs Kuroda
Game 7: Moyer/Blanton vs Lowe
Billingsly is obviously their best pitcher here, but Hamels is better and we have the pitching advantage (though we are in their park). Kuroda has somehow baffled our hitters repeatedly and Myers has had bad outings in 3 of his last 4 games. I am not worried, but it is a dsconcerning trend. Then game 7 is really slanted towards the Dodgers, ESPECIALLY if you believe in momentum (I am mixed on it) cause it means that they beat our two best pitchers and now how Lowe up against our 3/4.
Taking it a step further, if Hamels can close out this game, it makes it gives a longer rest to Myers. What that does for me is to plan to start Myers 3 times in the WS. Games 1, 4 and 7 should all be planned to be Myers starts. The extra rest and the fact that he has done it once before, this year, makes him the better candidate between him and Hamels. I mean, I'd rather have Hamels pitch 3 games, but I am going with the more realistic scenario here.
Here's to Hamels baffling the Dodgers again and Billingsly choking again.
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But personally, I don’t think I’d go three games with either guy. While it’s true that Myers has started on three days rest once this year, he hasn’t done it twice in a row, which is what we’d be asking him to do here. Frankly I might feel slightly more confident with Joe Blanton in a Game 7 than with Myers on double short rest. It would at least be a wash. (Not sure what to think about Moyer right now.)
Maybe there’ll be a rainout or something along the way, but if we end up in the WS with Tampa, probably not.
by taco pal on
Oct 15, 2008 9:16 AM EDT
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I’d like to look at this dynamically. Conceptually, we don’t HAVE to start Myers in game 7. I want him available to start however. Since there has to be a game 4, that is the one you are concerned about. Myers on 3 days rest to start game 4. If he stinks it up, then fine, put Blanton in for game 7 and have Myers available. The main point is that Myers will likely be more effective for a possible game 7 if he pitches in game 4 than if he pitches in game 5.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on
Oct 15, 2008 9:54 AM EDT
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I like the Phillies chances tonight to take this one home.
by Football Fanatics on Oct 15, 2008 10:09 AM EDT 0 recs
No way
I’d pitch Hamels in game 1 and reserve him for game 4 if needed (for instance if the Phils drop the first three and absolutely need the win) before Myers at this point. I know he hasn’t done it before and you don’t want to overload his young arm, but this is the time to go for broke.
As you note, Myers has been shaky at best (pitching-wise) in 3 of his last four starts, the first two of those immediately following his previous outing on short rest. If he turns that around in game 2, then I would consider pitching him in Game 5 on short rest if it’s a must-win situation.
by phatj on Oct 15, 2008 10:16 AM EDT 0 recs
No way?
Seems like you are being contradictory but really not. This isn’t about starting Hamels on short rest, which won’t happen, it’s about starting Myers. You are implying that the alternative is Hamels, which it isn’t. It is Moyer/Blanton. I also wouldn’t start Hamels on short rest because of his age, but I don’t think the Phils start Hamels on short rest anyway. So, either it is Myers (I presume a possibility) or Blanton/Moyer.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on
Oct 15, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
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Why isn't Hamels the alternative?
They’ve been pointedly avoiding starting Hamels on short rest to this point, but we’re talking about THE WORLD SERIES. I think Charlie knows that if there’s any time to throw caution to the wind, that would be it.
If they’re not considering this possibility, then I seriously doubt that your scenario is possible either, since they’re not going to move Myers to pitch the first game as they want the ace on the hill (and rightly so). In which case we’ll see the same Hamels/Myers/Moyer/Blanton rotation as before (well, maybe they flip Moyer and Blanton).
by phatj on
Oct 15, 2008 11:20 AM EDT
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Not sure the logic behind some of this.
First off, rightly so that your ace pitches game 1? I am not sure it matters as long as he pitches, no? Is it a reward in your mind, or you just think that your best pitcher should always pitch game 1? I tend to look at it as maximizing your players for the entire series. Has Cole ever pitched on 4 days rest, let alone back to back times? We have seen Myers come back on 4 days rest and pitch brilliantly. The subsequent games being bad seems to be a causation/correlation issue.
So, what we know is that Myers HAS pitched on 3 days rest before. And he pitched a beauty of a game doing so. In addition, we know that Hamels has never pitched on 3 days rest and has mentioned before that he wasn’t comfortable with it. Also, Myers has 5 years on Hamels as well. Factor in that Hamels is pitching tonight and Myers hasn’t pitched since last Friday, which gives him another 5 days of rest to get ready for this.
So, we have a known that Myers has pitched on 3 days rest before and was successful. We also know he will be more rested than Hamels when game 1 starts. You are saying to try an unknown, such as pitch Hamels on 3 days rest when he never has and doesn’t appear to want to and could damage his arm, or don’t do it at all?
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on
Oct 15, 2008 11:47 AM EDT
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First off, rightly so that your ace pitches game 1? I am not sure it matters as long as he pitches, no? Is it a reward in your mind, or you just think that your best pitcher should always pitch game 1? I tend to look at it as maximizing your players for the entire series.
Of course you want your ace to pitch game 1, for two reasons. First is that it gives you the best chance to win game 1, and second is that it’s the only way it’s possible (short of pitching on TWO days’ rest) you can pitch your ace three times in a series.
Has Cole ever pitched on 4 days rest, let alone back to back times? We have seen Myers come back on 4 days rest and pitch brilliantly. The subsequent games being bad seems to be a causation/correlation issue.
So, what we know is that Myers HAS pitched on 3 days rest before. And he pitched a beauty of a game doing so.
We have seen Myers pitch on three days’ rest once. Yes, he pitched very well, but that’s hardly a statistical universe. I think the trend of his last four starts (all of them on normal rest) is more meaningful than one start a month ago.
Also, I think you’re making a mistake by dismissing what happened in the two starts after his short rest outing. It’s true we cannot prove they were caused by pitching on short rest, but it’s just as true we can’t prove they weren’t.
In addition, we know that Hamels has never pitched on 3 days rest and has mentioned before that he wasn’t comfortable with it. Also, Myers has 5 years on Hamels as well. Factor in that Hamels is pitching tonight and Myers hasn’t pitched since last Friday, which gives him another 5 days of rest to get ready for this.
Under the circumstances, I frankly don’t give a damn whether Hamels is comfortable with starting on short rest. I would certainly take that into consideration if an emergency starter were needed in June, but again, this is THE WORLD SERIES. I doubt very much that Hamels would object to taking the hill for game 4 if asked to do so, and I’d rather take my chances that he can handle it than start a lesser pitcher.
As to the extra rest, I doubt it makes much of a difference. Whoever starts game 1 is going to have had at least an entire week off.
You are saying to try an unknown, such as pitch Hamels on 3 days rest when he never has and doesn’t appear to want to and could damage his arm, or don’t do it at all?
That’s not what I’m saying. They had the opportunity to set up the rotation the way you suggest for the LCS, but did not do so. I’m saying that given that fact, plus the fact that Myers’s didn’t pitch particularly well in his LCS start, there’s essentially no chance they’re not going to give Hamels the ball for game 1.
by phatj on
Oct 15, 2008 12:17 PM EDT
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Hamels hasn’t done it before, that doesn’t mean he can’t, he’s had unusually long outings and pitched well in them, for reasons no one understood at the time (the longness)
All things being equal, Hamels is a better pitcher than Myers. If the phils are going to position one pitcher to start 3 games in the world series, I would pick Cole Hamels personally.
I trust Cole Hamels consistency to deliver more than I trust Brett Myers
by jemagee on Oct 15, 2008 11:45 AM EDT 0 recs
Let’s not go coocoo here. Of course I want Hamels to pitch 3 games. I just don’t know if I want to done on back to back 3 days of rest. I think Myers can handle it and there is less risk to damaging his arm than Cole. It’s isn’t a matter if you prefer Cole over Myers, it is a matter of whom you think is more capable of doing it and if it is worth the risk.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on
Oct 15, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
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Anyone else absolutely terrified about tonight? If the Phillies manage to lose tonight I’m going to be completely worthless and anxious for at least 48 hours.
by WholeCamels on Oct 15, 2008 11:51 AM EDT 0 recs
+1
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
by Whodie126 on
Oct 15, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
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to be honest, this is the game i’ve felt the most confident yet this series
"When you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys - there's no better feeling than to have that done." - Matt Stairs 10/13/08
Gold... Pure Gold...
by foos05 on
Oct 15, 2008 12:35 PM EDT
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Me too
Hamels is our ace, the first real one we’ve had in a while. If you can’t be confident about your true ace going in a historic game like this, what’s the point?
by David S. Cohen on
Oct 15, 2008 1:03 PM EDT
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stay strong
when the anxieties come, just click here
by taco pal on
Oct 15, 2008 11:54 AM EDT
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Not really.
Matt Stairs in on our team. How can anything possibly go wrong?
by FuquaManuel on
Oct 15, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
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hahahaha … hopefully there are a lot of guys getting their asses hammered tongiht …
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
by Whodie126 on
Oct 15, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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It’s a good thing Chase has ties to the Vasoline people… they better stock up on that for the ass hammerin tonight
"When you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you're getting your ass hammered by guys - there's no better feeling than to have that done." - Matt Stairs 10/13/08
Gold... Pure Gold...
by foos05 on
Oct 15, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
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