World Series Game Thread, Game Two - Phillies at Rays
by WholeCamels on Oct 23, 2008 6:15 PM EDT
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PrintPhiladelphia Phillies at Tampa Bay Rays, Oct 23, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
Last night was basically a must-win for the Phillies, and win they did behind the brilliant pitching of Cole Hamels, Ryan Madson, and Brad Lidge, and the occasionally timely hitting of Chase Utley and Jayson Werth.
Tonight, the tables are turned, and the Rays are the ones in the must-win situation; lose, and they face the specter of going into Philadelphia down 0-2, and needing to win two out of three games just to survive.
Mr. Flighty himself, Brett Myers, goes for the Phillies tonight. I think this is almost an ideal situation for Myers and his ego; they don't HAVE TO have this game, but if they win, Brett can be the rock star hero. BIG GAME James Shields goes for the Rays.
Silly Goose Prediction Time: Phils win 6-4, Howard takes Shields deep, Longoria goes longorious for the Rays.
By the way, these game threads with over 500 comments have recently been nuking my five year old laptop. Keep an eye out for an overflow comment thread or two to spring up somewhere during tonight's action.
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Any quick predicts?
I think Howard goes deep tonight. I also think Dobbs has a 2 run bouble.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
Almost 20 pitches for Shields here
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
Awful. Really awful start. I can’t say I didn’t expect something along these lines.
The Office is on at 9 right?
Myers really not a great first-inning pitcher. If they get this next one and then nothing else, I can live with that.
Joe Buck is really excited about these RBI groundouts. Jeez Joe, it’s not like the Phillies aren’t happy about that outcome as well.
Had a really crappy first inning against Milwaukee in Game 2 NLDS, too. He MAY settle in.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
WHY CAN'T US?
I now define a successful Howard AB as one where he sees more than four pitches.
This doesn’t look like it’s going to be a successful AB.
FARG!!!!
Well, like 28 pitches for Shields.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
The good news is that Myers actually looks pretty calm and isn’t pitching too bad. Lots of other variables not going our way right now.
did they really just call ruiz venezuelan again?
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
SHUT UP FUQUA ABOUT THE MAN ON SECOND PLZ!
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
they’re already complimenting each other’s looks, so it may just move to the bed in an inning or two
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy inning for Myers. Still no strikeouts.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
little more success with the flyouts than the grounders.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
if it gets by him, it’s a run. The guy’s a solid player in the first two games.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
what’s with the Yoda speak? I guess these are not the clutch ABs we are looking for.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
here’s one—Officer Opie, take out the nightstick, tape over your badge number while everyone else looks the other way.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
figuring out how to get a guy from 3rd. Not a bad idea!
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Ruiz walks, and Jimmy swings first pitch. It would be really nice if these guys learned from eachothers at bats.
no, no, wrong show. It’s yoda night on the board.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
How you feeling about Moyer/Blanton? I am not feeling too good about either.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 23, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Not good, I’ll admit. But there’s just something about home field
by Have a Seat on Oct 23, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope. The Phils are brainstorming new ways to eff up.
by Have a Seat on Oct 23, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i.e. “let’s randomly throw the ball into right field!”
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
“let’s run around the bases and not score!”
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, and “let’s get sushi and not pay!”
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s the ratio of errors to scare-the-runner to actual pickoffs that you need to make that play worthwhile?
We’re both bad and unlucky tonight.
just where we want them. but there’s that pit in my stomach as I type that.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Buck has rough leather sex w/ Joe Madden (and John Madden) on off days.
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
Cursing is one thing, no more of this crap please.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
Does it matter if he is? He asked you to stop with your homophobic garbage, I will second his request.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 23, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If you really want to see unbridled cursing, go check out the DRaysBay game thread. At least 15 posts the instant after any unpleasantness occurs with one long, drawn out F-bomb. It got too much for me so I choose the refreshing pages of The Good Phight.
Perhaps the commenters mirror the fan base in the stands (per an earlier comment here).
in other words, this board tries to stay reasonably classy.
by Have a Seat on Oct 23, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The worst part is technical: last night the original game thread bested 1050 posts by the 3rd inning, so they started a second thread. The overwhelming majority of posts are one or two words and, by my measure, add little to the discussion. A bit of restraint might have reduced load times and bandwidth consumption.
Just sayin’
Pat trying to make this Shield’s last inning.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
Probably it will be. But I don’t feel great about the prospect of the multiple reliever fails that would be needed to come back.
Wow. Dobbs has not made contact yet I don’t think. And his misses have been by like a foot each. he’s way off.
i wonder if being DH is that off-putting … coste looked really bad too.
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
if you pitch six innings (or more) and give up 3 runs (or less) it’s a “quality start”
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s why it’s a good idea to try and steal second with two outs, right? we’d have a run (presuming vic would’ve been safe)
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
Problem is that if you do that and switch Dobbs into the field, you lose the DH.
Probably worth it, though.
myers can hit! he will save the game
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahh… This is why I am not a baseball manager. May still be worth it as Dobbs just batted.
by christonabike on Oct 23, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
theoretically it’s more useful than wins & losses because you can pitch like crap & get a win (or pitch great & get no run support) but if you get a QS than it’s known that you at least got your team “in a position to win the ballgame” (or however that cliche goes)
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
buck agrees — bring in stairs & then brunt at 3B
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions
this is scrawled across the inside of charlie’s hat
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
can you believe we still call pedro feliz a baseball player, considering all he can’t do?
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
now I feel better. It will only take me two careers’ worth of earnings to match what he made this year. I’ve got to get out of this non-profit do-gooder hospital stuff.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He probably gives up 0 runs in the first if Werth doesn’t make that error.
by christonabike on Oct 23, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Rays trivia: Rocco Baldelli is the 2004 Rhode Island Italian-American hall of fame inductee.
Who knew?
Thanks. I would leave him in until he gets into trouble again.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 23, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
after Howard’s double, I believe that was the longest hit ball the Phils have had tonight. Yet another thing we normally see that hasn’t really happened in the first two games.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
theoretically it’s more useful than wins & losses because you can pitch like crap & get a win (or pitch great & get no run support) but if you get a QS than it’s known that you at least got your team “in a position to win the ballgame” (or however that cliche goes)
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
my computer keeps freezing up — it says “…posting” for like 5 minutes and then shows up late. sorry ’bout that!
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you assume the position for your team to win the ballgame.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
there clearly is a weird energy flow in the postseason that has drained all of Rollins’ offensive prowess to the 9-hole hitter. Ruiz tonight, Myers in the NLCS.
great, he strikes out again while Chooch runs down to second.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s funny. They are having essentially the same issues they had during their miserable interleague shit show.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 23, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, man. There’s a thought I didn’t need.
Then again, this is the acceptable form of interleague play…
team psychologist says: everybody imagine you’re playing the Braves!
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Prices arm rips of and Chase picks it up and beats the homeplate umpire with it.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
When Price made his appearance in Game 7 he had me alternating between exhilaration and nail-biting. I think the Phils have a chance to light him up in unexpected ways.
I hope he uses it to get a goddamn rbi
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe their is a kernel of truth in the stuff people were saying about the Phillies relying too heavily on the long ball.
yeah, but the backwards K with two on, not so much.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
baseball is tired of the other anthem it also helped create.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
keep your god out of my goddamn baseball!
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
and your chocolate out of my peanut butter
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
im a big fan of take me out to the ballgame, but they never show that. what if we were playing a canadian team, would they sing God Bless Canada?
yeah, especially the parts of the country that love this country.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Good signs
Howard looks like he’s feeling comfortable again. Utley is hitting. Shane is hitting. And every Phillies’ hitter will feel more comfortable at home. As for the Rays, their vaunted offense has been a dud so far. They’ve scratched out runs, yes, but no xbase hits. Rollins can’t get much worse?
Howard didn’t look too comfortable in that last AB.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 23, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Werth is lost, Burrell a non-factor, Feliz, etc. And the bench has been worthless. Moyer on the mound in game 3. They really must score tonight so my stomach muscles can unclench.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He could pitch the whole game at this rate.
by christonabike on Oct 23, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the fact that it is only 4-0 is what makes it so frustrating.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 23, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, does your name mean the Penn Quakers?
by FuquaManuel on Oct 23, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the fact that I don’t feel confident in any of our hitters that makes it feel like it’s more like 30-0
by Have a Seat on Oct 23, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
an injustice, true. Culturally we should switch the street connotations of “BJ” and “Melvin” so that his given name would sound “cool” and that someone could give me a Melvin to relieve this pressure.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yah, pretty woeful. I don’t think he was halfway down the line on that one. With Howard at 1B, Maddon should at least flog him in the press if he’s not going to bench him
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
home cookin’ there. The park designed just perfectly so that Longoria could catch Pat’s foul out. Rat’s luck.
“We’re cautiously optimistic about game 2 but for Bruntlett’s HR.”
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
finally, some offense will be coming!
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 11:14 PM EDT reply actions
haha: i posted that ironically wrt bruntlett
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, remember that trivia tidbit. It will win you $50 bar bets in 5 years. Hell, in five days.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think hitting with RISP is overrated.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim McCarver is in his prime as a broadcaster.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I am happy just to make it to the World Series.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there’s nothing at all mockable about the facts that our opponents have removed the word “Devil” from their names. And the cowbells and Mohawks are charmingly quirky.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no way we can score more than three runs with only three outs to go.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I love that Ruiz has led off four innings tonight.
oops, I might really mean that one.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB should be proud of how it selects postseason umpiring crews.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Umpiring has never played a significant role in Phillies postseason history.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Filing an appeal to the league office is an effective use of time.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
when sober, “knowing baseball=having a Mohawk.” A few pops in him won’t help that IQ.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
was mccarver trying to play the “ironic comment” game by talking about how romero always walks the first guy?
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions
If Steve Carlton told him to, I bet he’d get one. Right now.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 23, 2008 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i think they are wrong about that
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
probably they still thought it was a 4 run lead b/c the idea of a brunt pinch hit HR is totally unbelievable
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Lead was more than 3 when he came into the game.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 23, 2008 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
oh right, he gave up the HR. my bad.
by Putsy Caballero. on Oct 23, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
But Kerwin (sp?) Danley didn’t want it to be so, and it wasn’t so.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 23, 2008 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The pole sucking of the phenom is hilarious.
He just gave up two runs and got lucky to not have a worse outcome. I think the Phils are in good shape. The Phillies are a couple of hits from two easy victories. They need to move Shane up for Game 3 and maybe have Jroll lay a bunt or two? Another RHP starting for the Rays brings a comfort zone to the lineup. I like the way Howard looked tonight. And they did have nine hits and got a ton of baserunners in scoring position. The Rays aren’t going to live dangerously for the next three games.
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