What is clutch? Rate the Phillies...
Hi!
I’m Kristin, a University of Pennsylvania psychology student and Phillies fan. I am currently conducting an honors thesis study on clutch ability and psychological characteristics of Major league baseball players. I made a survey asking fans to rate players from various teams on certain characteristics. One of these teams is the Phillies and it would be great to have some people who read this blog, since you are huge Phillies fans, to fill out my survey. Here is some background info:
What is “clutch”? What players are considered “clutch” performers? What players are “gritty” or have natural talent? Are these players also “clutch”? These frequently cited terms in the game of baseball have never been objectively studied, but I am trying to change that. I have created a survey asking about some Major League players’ characteristics and it would be great if some of you, being huge baseball fans, could fill it out! It should only take a maximum of 15 minutes. Also, I would love to hear any comments that you have about my survey! Thanks so much for all your help!
Here is the website for my survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=VUWValhJzb65tk1lZoMMEQ_3d_3d
Kristin
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This is probably not the greatest forum to post this question on, as the folks around here tend to subscribe to a more sabermetric-influenced viewpoint, meaning they tend to doubt that “clutchness” exists at all. But good luck anyway. I’m sure you’ve already hit up all the other blogs and bulletin boards too.
by taco pal on
Oct 28, 2008 4:09 PM EDT
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I generally don't believe in "clutch"
but David Ortiz gives me doubts. He might be the exception that proves the rule.
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by Patrick517 on
Oct 28, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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This is probably not the greatest forum to post this question on,
Actually, this is probably a good reason to post this survey here, she probably wants as broad a sample as possible, diverse viewpoints, etc.
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WHY CAN'T US?
by WholeCamels on
Oct 29, 2008 10:36 AM EDT
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Clutch doesn’t exist. Unclutch does exist. A player can only ply up to 100% of his ability. It is impossible for you to play better than you really are. It is possible to play worse. So, if Chase hits a HR to win the WS, it’s not that he’s clutch, it’s that he would have done that in any situation given the exact same pitch and swing. If he strikes out on a ball down the middle, then it is likely he is unclutch.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on
Oct 28, 2008 8:49 PM EDT
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couldnt you make an argument though that if a player regularly plays at 85% of his ability, but in big and important situations, he elevates his game to his full potential (or closer to it) that he is a “clutch” hitter?
by phils11 on
Oct 28, 2008 8:58 PM EDT
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Yeah, but doesn’t that mean he is dogging it when not in clutch situations? I mean, I am not expecting full out play in every instance, and players fail much more often than they succeed, but if a dude is playing at 85% for no reason other than that is how he plays, he certainly shouldn’t get credit for clutch play.
I suspect that most players play at about 92-95% of their capability. The more you play to your max, the more energy it takes, possibly exponetially. Someone like Pete Rose needed to play at 98% to be as good as someone else at 95% or whatever. While the percentages don’t seem like a big difference, on an incremental scale they are.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on
Oct 28, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
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There’s a few models of clutch hitting that I could construct. One is that there is an adrenaline rush that makes players play better. Another is that certain players “choke”. Another is that players are not playing to their full ability until it’s a more important situation. Yet another is comparative advantages for other reasons— more on that one in a bit.
My thoughts on each in order:
1) Adrenaline— I have a hard time believing that adrenaline makes one a better baseball player. This should be easily measurable. Do sprinters unintentionally run faster in different races? If not, I would rule out this model.
2) Choking— Every major league player has something in common— they were all able to make the major leagues. Each and everyone was visited by a scout with his whole life on the line. They each had an opportunity to not be a truck driver or whatever else they were going to do with their lives, and each of them came through during the biggest test of nerves. I don’t doubt that many people’s physical abilities would diminish when the game was on the line. I think mine would. But I also think I’d have choked when more was on the line— when I could potentially ruin my opportunity to be a professional player completely relied on performing well in front of a scout— and not when it’s going to ruin the day of a bunch of fat strangers and my pockets are already filled.
3) Less exertion in low leverage situations— In general, I would assume that if any baseball player played at less than 100, they would be replaced by someone who would play at 100. It only makes sense, as long as you assume that there is someone who is equally as good or nearly as good.
However, sometimes there isn’t. If Manny Ramirez decided to intentionally strike out once every fifty plate appearances, he would still be markedly above replacmenet level and still would be valuable.
So if there is clutch in the sense that there is relatively lower exertion in low leverage situations, it would be by star players, or at least above average players. If I ever study clutch playing, I would redo the old analysis only for elite players and check the variance in relative performance in clutch situations.
4) Comparative advantage in other reasons— Ryan Howard hit over .400 on balls in play with runners on second base this year. That’s not random— if you watch the way they defend against him with no one on base, the SS typically plays a deep 2B, and the 2B typically plays shallow RF. By putting a runner on second base, theycannot do that. Hence, Ryan Howard will persistently overperform with RISP— that’s “clutch” by construction and not by voodoo. Probably, other players probably have similar characteristics that can help or hurt. A tendency to hit groundballs up the middle might be disadvantageous in double play situations. So that tendency may make you a good singles hitter, but less likely to get singles with runners on first base. That’s “unclutch” by construction and not by voodoo.
by MattS on
Oct 28, 2008 10:50 PM EDT
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As to pont #2. While I certainly agree that you have to win a TON of beauty contests to finally make it to the major leagues and odds are you didn’t get ugly all of the sudden, it doesn’t change the fact that you are competing against better competition and sometimes that alone can magnify your weakness.
A highschool star who then tears it up in college may be able to do so in clutch situations, in turn, partyl because of the weaker competition that he is facing. Maybe even when he guesses wrong, he is able to foul off the pitch, whereas in the majors that is a swinging strike 3.
I don’t believe in clutch situations, and I am not sure I know what kind of impact nerves play on a baseball player. It is an intangible we usually just dismiss because it is unquantifiable. That is fair. And I am not looking to determine any value on any player, because it would probably be futile. But that doesn’t change the fact that most people tense up in high leverage situations. Some can maintain their high level of performance and some might drop a bit.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on
Oct 29, 2008 8:19 AM EDT
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that makes a lot of sense. i guess that it’s probably more accurate to revise that point in the light of point 3 about star players. perhaps fringe players are more likely to reach the point where nerves play a role in detrimental performance. if eric bruntlett had abnormal anxiety issues that negatively contributed to his performance, that would have shown up in the high minors and he wouldn’t have made the big leagues. if cole hamels had abnormal anxiety issues that negatively contributed to performance, we might not have known that until he faced stiffer competition.
by MattS on
Oct 30, 2008 11:32 PM EDT
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CLUTCH DOESNT EXIST ON THE PHILLIES.
if clutch exsisted we wouldnt be so bad w/ RISP
Why Can't Us
by XxBleedGreen5xX on
Oct 29, 2008 10:25 AM EDT
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Matt Stairs was pretty clutch.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
by Whodie126 on
Oct 29, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
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