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Upset About Howard? Think Schmidt 1986 or Howard 2006

There's a group of fans and writers in Philadelphia who are pretty upset that Ryan Howard didn't win the MVP and Albert Pujols did.  The argument is simple:  Ryan Howard's monster counting numbers led his team to a first place finish and the playoffs; Albert Pujols' better overall season led his team to nothing.  Howard's performance was thus more valuable.

Here's the rub for Phillies fans.  If you subscribe to the argument that Albert Pujols should not have won the MVP award because his team didn't reach the playoffs, you should also be willing to give up Mike Schmidt's 1986 MVP award as well as Ryan Howard's 2006 MVP award.

In 1986, Mike Schmidt led the NL in OPS with .937.  He led the league in slugging and was tied for third in OBP.  He took the MVP over Glenn Davis, the Astros' first baseman, by 56 points.  Davis clearly had an inferior year.  His OPS was .837, exactly 100 points lower than Schmidt's.  But, Davis' team won the NL West by 10 games over the Reds with a .597 winning percentage.  Schmidt's team finished in second place behind the Mets . . . 21.5 games out of first place.

Likewise, in 2006, Ryan Howard won the MVP thanks to his 1.084 OPS, 58 HR, and 149 RBI.  He won by 41 points over Albert Pujols, who had an excellent season with a better OPS than Howard but worse counting numbers - 1.102 OPS, 49 HR, and 137 RBI.  But, again, Pujols' team finished in first place (and ultimately won the World Series), 1.5 games ahead of the Astros.  Howard's team finished in second place, 12 games behind the Mets.

Anyone arguing that Howard deserves the MVP this year because his team finished first and made the playoffs has to accept that Schmidt and Howard, playing for second place teams without a shot at first, did not deserve their MVP awards in 1986 and 2006.  Their teams finished far from first place, whereas the MVP runner-up in both years, both of whom had very good to excellent seasons, were on first-place teams.

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Are people really that upset though? I just see pockets here and there. Even the nitwit commenters on philly.com seem pretty ambivalent, collectively. Phillie fans have always been pretty lukewarm in their affection for Howard, so I don’t see all that many people rushing to his defense. If anything, I’ve found it a little disappointing even though I agree that Pujols should have won. Ignorance is universal to every team’s fans – the reason why people are less than up in arms isn’t because they’re not ignorant but because they don’t like Ryan as much as they should.

by taco pal on Nov 19, 2008 11:17 AM EST   0 recs

I think the post-Championship glow is also a big factor.

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by WholeCamels on Nov 19, 2008 11:51 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

That's it for me

I honestly just don’t care about the MVP award this year.

We don’t need to win absolutely every award there is this year. We won the title and that’s more than enough for me. I’m sure Ryan Howard doesn’t care either.

by JasonB on Nov 19, 2008 5:02 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

That said… I do find it funny that Pujols himself subscribes to this “you must make the playoffs to be an MVP” theory.

by JasonB on Nov 19, 2008 5:03 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Pujols actually clarified what he meant, and defended the selection of Howard for the 2006 NL MVP.

http://crashburnalley.com/

by Crashburn Alley on Nov 19, 2008 7:38 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Amen

the phils got the rings. thats the only award that really counts for anything.

by sixrfan on Nov 19, 2008 10:00 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, that’s probably part of it too.

by taco pal on Nov 19, 2008 7:05 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

In the history of the award, I wonder how many MVPs from both leagues were on teams that made the playoffs.

There’s a little project for someone who has some time…

by FuquaManuel on Nov 19, 2008 6:00 PM EST   0 recs

  I don’t see how you can be upset if your a rational human being – phil sheridans ‘september’ numbers argument seems along the lines of ‘games count more in september’ and we should ignore the horrid start that ryan howard put up and it should be discounted.

Rob Neyer had a point about that – if someone craps the bed early in the season ala Howard and doesn’t get ‘supported’ by the rest of his team, maybe management doesn’t make that ‘playoff push’ move at the deadline and his hot september is even less interesting no matter how good the numbers cause his team misses the playoffs.

It seems that the ryan howard supporters are selective and myopic and not paying attention to the entire season – and they probably are taking into account post season even though it don’t count for the voting.,

Who are the phladelphia voters – did they both vote howard first?

by jemagee on Nov 19, 2008 9:42 PM EST   0 recs

While I agree that Pujols should have won this year, the argument that Pujols made the playoffs in 2006 while Howard didn’t was a dumb one considering the Phillies had two more wins than the Cardinals in that year.

I’m much more angry that Utley didn’t win a Gold Glove.

by yosoysean on Nov 20, 2008 8:17 AM EST   0 recs

Well that’s something worth being angry about – an even more ridiculous award than the MVP which ‘great’ fielders like Bobby Abreu and Derek Jeter have won.

by jemagee on Nov 20, 2008 12:35 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

ANd David Wright, who has never struck me as a great fielder. He makes some flashy plays but is also error prone.

by JasonB on Nov 21, 2008 11:07 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Wow, seeing Howard’s 1.084 OPS from 2006 really just further drives home how far the 2008 version was from that guy.

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by Steve Jeltz on Nov 20, 2008 3:06 PM EST   0 recs

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