Rollins, Victorino win Gold Gloves
In addition to the powerful offense and surprisingly excellent pitching that helped propel the 2008 Phillies to the world championship, the team benefitted from outstanding defense. Two of those defenders were honored today by National League managers and coaches with Gold Glove Awards:
One of the standard methods of constructing a winning baseball team is to secure adept defenders up the middle, typically at catcher, second base, shortstop and center field.
At the latter two of those spots, the World Series champion Phillies have two Rawlings Gold Glove Award winners in shortstop Jimmy Rollins and outfielder Shane Victorino. The teammates secured the hardware Wednesday, with Rollins winning his second consecutive award and Victorino his first.
I think both awards were deserved, insomuch as one can say that about anything as entirely subjective as the Gold Gloves. Rollins might not be a better defender than Colorado's Troy Tulowitzki, but given Tulo's injury absences this season and the respective fortunes of the Phillies and Rockies, I'm glad to see Jimmy--whose glovework never suffered even when his bat disappeared for stretches--take home the hardware. As for Victorino, his great speed, powerful arm and good routes to fly balls render him a worthy choice.
It does sting a bit that second baseman Chase Utley was not also recognized. Utley's defensive brilliance was on display throughout the postseason, and was vital in both NLCS Game Four, when he snared a line drive that might have scored two runs and lunged to the second-base bag to complete a double play, and World Series Game Five, when he threw out Jason Bartlett at the plate to preserve a 3-3 tie a half-inning before the Phils plated the winning run. Perhaps with those examples now in mind--as well as Utley's excellence in some of the emerging defensive metrics--he'll have a better shot at winning the award in future seasons.
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Sucks about Utley. And Gonzalez over Pujols is rather egregious as well.
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by WholeCamels on Nov 5, 2008 6:00 PM EST 0 recs
Do they vote before the postseason? Because if not, I think John Kruk and Steve Phillips might be singlehandedly responsible for that.
by taco pal on
Nov 5, 2008 7:26 PM EST
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Pujols is constantly under appreciated – if Howard gets the MVP over him it’ll be just wrong
I never get hung up on this award for two reasons
Bobby Abreu has one
Derek Jeter has more than one (i think)
by jemagee on
Nov 5, 2008 10:01 PM EST
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Yeah, it’s hard to make a case that this indicates anything except the entirely subjective opinions of uninformed deciders. But it’s newsy, I guess, and I was glad to see J-Roll and Shane get recognized.
by dajafi on
Nov 6, 2008 12:03 AM EST
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Won the world series – for me that’s enough – the ‘post season’ awards are recognition needed when your team fails to achieve the mountain top.
Must say though – with FOX pushing him, and this gold glove, Shane Victorino is somehow the face of the phllies…
by jemagee on
Nov 6, 2008 9:45 AM EST
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I was actually talking about Utley, but sure, Pujols is a good fielder too.
by taco pal on
Nov 6, 2008 11:48 AM EST
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In defensive runs saved (per Chris Dial), Utley beat Phillips by a significant amount (12.9 to 8.2). Phillips beats Utley in THT’s RZR, but Utley tops him in out of zone plays.
Even as an unabashed Phillips’ fanboy (see my avatar) I would’ve given the GG to Utley, but Phillips makes a lot of flashy plays and is a defensible choice. Anyone have the +/- numbers for the NL 2Bs?
by ken on Nov 6, 2008 9:45 AM EST 0 recs
according to this site: http://www.firenedcollettinow.com/2008/10/2008-nl-mvp-award.html, Utley had +47 plus/minus (1st, by a large margin), .839 RZR (4th), and 66 OOZ plays (1st). +47 is just a ridiculous number. I don’t think any second basemen are within 20 plays of him, I recall reading Mark Ellis was 2nd with +25.
by bugbear on
Nov 6, 2008 12:29 PM EST
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Yup, that’s the one I was thinking about. I don’t claim to fully understand the metric, but +47 is nuts.
So much of this seems to be about reputation. Chase’s glove was widely questioned when he came up, and I don’t think he was really an outstanding fielder in his first few years as a regular. Sure is now, though. Hopefully the perception will catch the reality soon.
by dajafi on
Nov 6, 2008 2:45 PM EST
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Well, it’s about reputation because the voters are lazy and unable (or unwilling) to look past ‘errors’ and fielding percentage (if they even look at that)
Besides, Chase Utley has WAY too much offense to be a good defensive player, that’s just a known fact.
by jemagee on
Nov 6, 2008 2:52 PM EST
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I don’t know if that’s the explanation. Normally, strong offensive players get overrated for Gold Glove purposes, not underrated.
by taco pal on
Nov 6, 2008 4:08 PM EST
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I seem to remember Wade Boggs being a defensive liability when he first came up, but then worked on his glovework and became a very good fielder. Might be the same with Utley.
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by WholeCamels on
Nov 6, 2008 2:56 PM EST
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Utley is the best fielding second baseman in the game – i’m not sure what you’re talking about
by jemagee on
Nov 6, 2008 5:02 PM EST
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Um, just that the perception (that may or may not have been accurate) that Utley was a subpar fielder at one time could have become hardwired into the brains of many people, and that Utley’s performance may no longer match up with that obsolete perception.
That’s it.
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by WholeCamels on
Nov 6, 2008 10:50 PM EST
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Some people have to imagine fights to pick if there aren’t any real ones out there.
by taco pal on
Nov 7, 2008 10:59 AM EST
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I work with Dial….I sent him a smarmy comment about Vic winning the GG before I realized Beltran got one too. He loves to whine about the Phils getting awards that the Mets deserve. He’s a pretty big Utley fan though.
by Bilzo on
Nov 7, 2008 8:51 PM EST
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BTW – if you like him – keith law feels utley not getting a GG is one of the biggest traveshamockerys in the history of this silly award
by jemagee on Nov 6, 2008 5:02 PM EST 0 recs
that play by utley in game five that’s mentioned in the article was possibly the greatest play i’ve seen in phillies history. who does that? let alone at the most clutch moment in the world series. its a shame it didnt get as much coverage on espn as that jeeter cutoff play a few years back. for that play alone he deserves a friggin gold glove!
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by sixrfan on Nov 7, 2008 3:24 PM EST 0 recs
Accepting that the Gold Glove is probably has the dumbest selection criteria of any major award in any major sport is the first step to serenity.
(Major awards besides leg lamps.)
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by WholeCamels on
Nov 7, 2008 3:32 PM EST
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does the Gold Glove award come from France too???
World F*ckin' Champions, indeed...
by foos05 on
Nov 7, 2008 3:46 PM EST
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Fra-ZHEE-lay
that was Italian I think
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by WholeCamels on
Nov 7, 2008 4:03 PM EST
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If Jeter had made that play...
The Nobel Peace Prize would have been renamed the Derek.
by phatj on
Nov 7, 2008 6:40 PM EST
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