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Beggars Choose Rosario?

The more I think about this rotation kerfuffle the Phillies once again find themselves in, the more confused I get. I don't think I'm alone: at this point, choosing between Travis Blackley, the Durbins, Fabio Castro, Francisco Rosario, the rehabbing Kris Benson and the possibly injured and certainly awful Adam Eaton might be better left to a team of psychics than a clutch of coaches and front-office types.

Rosario, though, is about to start getting some buzz. After 3 1/3 scoreless innings in relief of Kyle Kendrick (himself looking like no sure thing in his first big-league spring camp) and John Ennis, Rosario's Grapefruit League ERA is 1.04, and he's got 3 walks and 8 strikeouts in 8 1/3 innings. As Beerleaguer noted the other day, he pitched well in a starting role this winter, including six shutout innings in the Caribbean Series. During his minor-league career in the Toronto organization, Rosario was exclusively a starter through 2004, and didn't fully convert to relief until the Blue Jays used him out of their bullpen in his initial two stints of MLB exposure during the 2006 season.  (This two year-old scouting report pegs the date at mid-2005.)

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Rosario's triple-A line over two seasons (2005-2006) with the Syracuse Sky Chiefs isn't particularly revealing. His record is a miserable 2-10, but with a more than respectable 3.64 ERA and a 2.45 K/BB ratio in 158.3 innings. Rosario made 30 appearances, including 18 starts, in 2005, and 14 appearances including 8 starts the next year. A look at his 2006 minor-league game log isn't very revealing: his starts were short (just one even reaching the six-inning mark), but whether that's because of health concerns (Rosario missed the entire 2003 season recuperating from Tommy John, and seems to have been limited in the following two years), the decision that after his initial May promotion to Toronto he was and always would be a reliever, or some other reason, we don't know. Even as a "full-time" starter in 2004, though, Rosario wasn't exactly stretched out: he started in all 18 appearances that year between high-A and double-A, but totaled just 65.3 innings.

In his short big-league exposure with the Jays and Phillies, Rosario has shown that he has the stuff to compete--he's averaging 8.4 strikeouts per nine innings pitched--but not the command. His walk rate is 5.3 per nine, compared to 3.2 in the minors. Like all too many others on the Philly staff, he's more a fly-ball pitcher than a grounder guy (more on this soon at TGP), and I don't think he really has the third pitch he needs to complement a live fastball and decent change as a starter. But beggars can't be choosers, and certainly the door is open for him.

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Re: Beggars Choose Rosario?
When we got Vincente Padilla, everyone assumed he was going to be a relief pitcher. Maybe this will work out the same way.

Rosario does, at least, have talent. He was considered a legit prospect with Toronto, if I'm not mistaken, and you can't teach velocity.

by taco pal on Mar 10, 2008 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Beggars Choose Rosario?
I believe Schilling was also supposed to be a reliever when we picked him up. Not making a direct comparison, of course.

by taco pal on Mar 10, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Beggars Choose Rosario?
it was in '92 that the Phils made him a starter - he pitched 16 games in relief to start off the season and was almost unhittable. then he got to start 24 games (and went the distance in 10; pretty impressive).

by perfectdepth on Mar 10, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Beggars Choose Rosario?
The Padilla comparison occurred to me last night. He only had two pitches too, but one of them was a fastball with such vicious and varied movement that it almost served as a couple different offerings.

Rosario was a good prospect, but he got to the majors five years older (at least) than Padilla when he first surfaced with Arizona, and he's missed a lot more time with injury (though it doesn't seem to have taken a toll on his radar-gun readings).

At this point I'm just thinking about upside. Chad Durbin has none, Eaton has little to none, Real Deal seems to be who he looks like, Blackley is Moyer without the brains. Benson, who was a serviceable #4 before he was hurt, maybe will be that again--which I think makes him Kendrick's replacement rather than the #5. That leaves Rosario, maybe Castro, and, hopefully by mid-summer, whoever emerges from the Outman/Happ/Carrasco/Carpenter cohort.  

by dajafi on Mar 10, 2008 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Beggars Choose Rosario?
Blackley was a serious prospect too, before he got hurt. Obviously, labrum surgery is what it is, but I think he has significantly more upside than those other guys you list. Even Moyer himself was once Moyer without the brains.

Agreed on everything else though. JDD at least throws hard on the gun, so I'd put him a shade above the other Durbin.

by taco pal on Mar 10, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Beggars Choose Rosario?
Fair enough on Blackley, but it seems like the big difference between him and Rosario is that Blackley's injuries have seriously diminished what he can do. Maybe he can transition into a Moyer-like "fool 'em" guy, but that's pretty rare.

And it's true that Real Deal has talent well above his namesake and might figure it out at some point, but the odds that a light suddenly goes on this March seem pretty long.

by dajafi on Mar 10, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Done Deal
J.D. Durbin got slammed again today facing the Pirates: 5 ER in 3.1 IP. Phils are losing 5-2, with the only runs on solo HRs from Burrell and Feliz.

by dajafi on Mar 10, 2008 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Castro getting hit
I've got tonight's (Wednesday) game on the radio, but I'm not sure why. After Ryan Madson--just getting work in, I think--allowed one run in three innings, Model Dictator came in, fell behind a couple hitters and allowed a two-run homer. Phils trail 3-1.

The games still don't count, but this isn't much fun right now.

by dajafi on Mar 12, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Castro getting hit
After waiting so long for all this to start, it's hard to make yourself not care about these games, but not only do they not count, they have no predictive value whatsoever, especially for pitchers (except maybe Adam Eaton). For all we know, Castro was working on a new pitch out there.

Only 2.5 more weeks 'till the real season starts...

by Seth @ The Good Phight on Mar 13, 2008 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Beggars Choose Rosario?
Eh. So much for Rosario's run in spring training. 6 ER in 2 IP and the Phils' pitching continues to worry me.

by FuquaManuel on Mar 14, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Beggars Choose Rosario?
Two walks, no strikeouts, and a grand slam by that Yunel Escobar. And the beat, as they say, goes on.

by another Mike on Mar 14, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

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