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Why Teams Don't Spend More on the Draft

The following logic is fairly common among baseball fans and experts today: "The expected gain in wins (and hence, revenue) by paying above the recommended slot values for draft picks is higher than paying the equivalent amount of money for free agents."  I would not attempt to argue with this logic.  On average, it is overwhelmingly true.  The question then becomes: "Why do teams refuse to draft those players who will require this kind of money to sign?  Teams that draft and pay these players gain an advantage by doing so."

 

 [Note by jonk, 04/21/08 5:28 AM EDT ]Bumped to front page

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First, it’s important to understand some basics of why baseball teams make money.  This should be mostly obvious to many but for the sake of thoroughness, I will include this logic.  The number one factor for how much an additional team earns in revenue is how many games they win and whether they make the playoffs.  There are two main ways to get players.  One of them is to sign free agents—in an auction format.  The other is to “grow your own” players, and use the limits of the MLB’s rules for paying players who have not yet earned free agency by having six years of service time—you can use these players yourself, or swap these players for other players who also have lower service time, or for players who have been signed as free agents whose value to you in revenue now exceeds the value of their contract.  The second method—“growing your own”—is primarily where profit comes from.  The Phillies’ success of the pass few years has been a product of the fact that they have paid below market value (as measured by the expected revenue that they generate) for players like Howard, Hamels, and Utley, and can make up the difference between a team made of these stars and a bunch of T.J. Bohns and a playoff team by paying for market value on guys with six years or more of service time like Rollins, Burrell, Moyer, and Gordon.  With those players and the guys that they have in place, they made the playoffs last year, and a lot of money.  Signing guys like Howard, Utley, and Hamels as free agents instead would have led to the team losing money despite making the playoffs.  It would have been smarter to put together a 65-win team on the cheap.  The format of an auction can be somewhat manipulated if the buyers (teams) try very hard, but it is clear that the revenue generated by players signed as free agents is very similar on average to their salaries.  There are small opportunities to have little advantages in evaluating worth, but the vast majority of profits come from players with less than six years of service time.

 

As a result, if you draft a player who understands that he will be paid less than his expected revenue generated, accounting for the odds of him making it to the majors in the first place and how well he may do upon getting there, he will want to receive more money.  Luckily, his only avenue to get another offer is to wait another year to be drafted by another team who has the same dominating position over him.  Doing so will cost you a year of free agency in the future, though, so unless Scott Boras is your agent in the mid-90s and he gives you bad advice that costs you a year of free agency in the future so as to help himself be a more feared bargainer in future dealings, you won’t generally do so in most circumstances.  Therefore, it is frequently players considering other sports or college who will ever be able to receive a higher than normal bonus.  If certain teams are likely to do so, then that gives the draftees a bit of leverage in negotiations.   So the league—interested in the owners’ profits—tries to come up with suggestions that they believe can be sustained (more on this later) for what teams should pay.  These values are intentionally less than the expected revenue gained by having them in your control until they become free agents less the amount that you would be expected to pay them.  (Note: all of this is averaged over all possible outcomes.)

 

We have established that there is a clear logic to the original statement that I quoted at the beginning of this—if you pay above slot values, you can get better players than other teams, and still pay them less than you would if you signed the same quality players as free agents.  The question now becomes why teams do not do this.  I will start this with an analogy that many people are familiar with—the prisoner’s dilemma.

 

The prisoner’s dilemma is a typical game theoretical model, and the basic background is the following: there are two men who have committed a kidnapping and murdered the person.  The police have proof that they committed the kidnapping, but will need a confession to lock them up for the murder.  They put them in separate rooms and explain the following rules: if neither of you confess, we will only be able to put you into jail for three years each.  If you both confess, we will be able to put you into jail for ten years each.  However, we will offer the following deal—if you confess and your partner denies it, you will receive only two years in prison and your partner will receive fifteen years in prison.  He is being offered the same deal.  The following table depicts the situation in terms of how many years will be spent in prison (negative to show that it’s bad).

 

Player 1 \ Player 2     Deny     Confess

Deny                          -3, -3     -15,-2

Confess                      -2,-15    -10,-10

 

Each player should consider the situation this way—what is the best thing to do if my partner denies the murder, and what is the best thing to do if my partner confesses?  As -2>-3 and -10>-15, it is clear that is best to confess regardless of what your partner does.  So it is smart to confess either way, for both people, and the equilibrium outcome is that both people will spend 10 years in jail.  The disappointing part of this situation is that they would be collectively better if they had both denied it—but because they are each better off by confessing than going along with the denial, and this cannot be sustained if these are the only two options.

 

Now, let’s make an analogy for baseball.  “Denying” is like paying the suggested slot values.  “Confessing” is paying above slot values.  You do better either way.  If the other teams pay above slot values, you avoid getting the equivalent of 15 years in jail—your team is bad and others are good, and you don’t win enough games to make back your saved money.  Instead, you pay above slot, you get the equivalent of 10 years in jail—your competitive but have spent a lot of money.  If other teams do not pay above slot values, you get the equivalent of three years in jail by doing the same—you each have comparable teams (holding all else constant), and you have each saved money (or seven more years in jail).  However, you can make money by getting better players while other teams do not—and make up your expected expense by winning more games and making the playoffs more often than other teams (receiving two years in jail).

 

This is the level of analysis that the original statement has reached.  However, it doesn’t stop there.

 

Consider now, an alternative depiction of the situation is that the mafia controls these people in the following way—confess and you will be killed fifty years before your time.  Now the new situation appears as follows:

 

Player 1 \ Player 2     Deny     Confess

Deny                          -3, -3     -15,-50

Confess                      -50,-15    -50,-50

 

Unsurprisingly, it is best to deny the murder regardless of what your partner does.  This would be analogous to baseball making rules that punish you a lot financially if you pay above slot.  The major league players association would never stand for this situation.

 

So, we must move onto the other method of collusion in this situation.  Now, let’s say that you repeatedly murder and kidnap people and the police continuously require a confession and offer the same deal.  In this case, you consider playing the original game two times.  Suppose that by denying the first time around, you can get people to deny the second time around.  Then you could each get only 6 total years in jail instead of 20.  However, that breaks down for the following reason: suppose that you have both agreed to play the strategy that you will deny the second time around if you both have denied it the first time around.  It is still wise to confess the second time around—and therefore, knowing this, no one would ever do it the first time around either.  The same logic would be applied to playing this game three, four, or a million times.  You confess in the last round regardless of what has happened.  You confess in the round before that understanding it will not force your partner to deny the murder earlier on.  In each previous round, it is wise to confess and people will always confess.

 

However, suppose that this game will be played an infinitely amount of times.  In this case, people will deny the crime in the prisoner’s dilemma!  Suppose that you have the following strategy— deny the first time, and deny in any subsequent round when your partner has denied in all previous rounds.  If your partner plays the same strategy, neither of you will ever have any incentive to deviate.  Any deviation will save you one year in the short-term, and cause you to lose seven years in each subsequent round thereafter.  Unless you value the short-term way more than the long-term, this is not worth it.  The reason that you go against your short-term gain is to encourage your partner to do what benefits you in the future.  If that helps you more than you hurt yourself now, then you will do this.  The “grim trigger” strategy described above is not the only way to get collusion—any way that encourages your partner to help you later on helps.  In laboratory environments, the most successful strategy tends to be to start off denying, and to copy your partner’s strategy in the previous round each time.  It is important to remember that this doesn’t need to actually be played an infinite number of times.  All that needs to happen is that any time you play the game, there needs to be a sufficiently high chance of playing the game again in the future at some point.

 

Collusion can be achieved more often in some circumstances and less often in others.  The best circumstances for collusion are those when the chance of future rounds occurring is highest, the gain to defecting now is smallest, the gain to future cooperation by your partner is highest, and the present is relatively less valuable.

 

The analogy to baseball should be pretty clear.  If you agree to pay the recommended slot values, you may encourage other teams to do so in the future.  Undoubtedly, this does happen.  In fact, it is the reason that teams make significant profits at all.  If teams paid players the expected revenue gain above their salaries before hitting free agency, they would make little money.  As free agent’s salaries are nearly the same as expected revenues that they will generate, teams would make little profit if this system broke down entirely.  However, if teams never paid any money to draftees, the gains to deviating in the short-term would be too large—any team could easily deviate and make such huge profits that the suggested slot payments wouldn’t be the same.

 

This type of analysis holds pretty easily when more than two people are playing this kind of game.  Any game where one person can gain at the expense of others, yet both would have been better off by not undertaking this action is a prisoner’s dilemma.  If at any time that you play this game, there is a chance of playing the game in the future with some of the same people you played with this time, it is an infinitely repeated prisoner’s dilemma.

 

So why do teams ever deviate?  Well, the Red Sox and Yankees deviate because of a few reasons.  One is that they are in the unique situation where paying free agent’s salaries is still probably profitable to them.  They stand to lose less by the system breaking down.  Also, because the other deviates, they stand to lose more by playing by the rules.

 

Undoubtedly, the Phillies would help their team if they drafted a guy like Porcello and paid him the money they paid him.  They certainly would if they did this all the time.  However, they would encourage other teams to do the same, and increase the chances of a future with payrolls that nearly match revenues in the future.

 

As long as teams in direct competition with the Phillies do not pay above slot values, it is unlikely that they will do so.  The Red Sox and Yankees have significantly wounded the Blue Jays, Rays, and Orioles chances at profit in the future, and if they were not already able to generate so much revenue already, they would be endangering a lot of their own profits too.  The Phillies are not in direct competition with the Yankees and Red Sox.  If they do make the World Series, that mostly comes down to luck anyway.

 

I’m not saying that I wouldn’t be thrilled with the Phillies paying above slot.  I route for their place in the standings, not their bottom line.  But I would be happy if they grabbed a bunch of superstar free agents without tightening the purse strings else where.  I simply don’t get mad at a team for not losing money for the sake of my happiness.

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Great post

Very well explained, Matt.

by phatj on Apr 21, 2008 9:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

but, but... the Mets...

I simply don’t get mad at a team for not losing money for the sake of my happiness.

This is an enlightened view that, frankly, I envy.

But in taking this down from theory-which you explain brilliantly-to application, I have a few issues.

First of all, I think it’s very likely the Mets are going to bust slot this June. The Mets are already analogous to the Yankees and Red Sox in that they have (or are about to have) a cash-cow stadium, a regional TV network and a very well-heeled fan base that’s willing and able to pay $40-$50 per ticket. They are going to leverage these financial advantages to sign the next Porcello… just as they’ve leveraged their deep pockets to bring in the likes of Pedro, Beltran and Santana through free agency or trade over the last four years.

So if I’m reading you right, the point at which the Mets bust slot-“confess”-is the point where the Phillies should, as well. And while it’s been more than 15 years since I encountered Prisoner’s Dilemma in undergraduate PoliSci, IIRC the Phils would be wise to “confess” first rather than waiting for the sign.

But since the Phillies are a responsive rather than proactive organization-and maybe more to the point, seem more concerned (admirably, foolishly or both) with “what’s good for the industry” than what’s good for their team-they’ll wait. And they’ll squander another year of Utley/Howard/Rollins in their primes while waiting.

Which I guess brings me to the other problem I have with the theory. Based on past discussions, I think you agree that the unique circumstances of this Phillies team-with three superstars in their prime, at or below market value-justify some extra effort. Through some combination of insight and blind luck, they drafted these guys; we won’t have them forever, and the competitive edge they confer will diminish with time both as they age and the opponents get stronger. Certainly Washington could be scary in two years, as could Florida if their days of pump-and-dump are really over. The Mets aren’t going away and if anything could get better as they get younger. Why not go all-out now?

by dajafi on Apr 21, 2008 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Right, I would guess when the Mets bust slot, that would probably when the Phillies should confess—or pay up. I don’t have their books and don’t know what their information is about who will do what in what circumstances. It’s possible that the Phillies think that they are better off not doing it yet, but I would guess that is wrong. It’s only useful to cooperate if it encourages future cooperation. While the Phillies do benefit from a bunch of other teams not cooperating, this does increase the cost of doing so.

As the Mets are in a similar situation to the Red Sox and Yankees financially, they do have less to lose from the collusion breaking down. However, as they are in a division where the Philies and Braves are not big spenders on the free agent market, they might not find it as necessary. They seem like a team that will bust slot early.

I don’t think the Phillies care for a second about “what’s good for the industry”. They care what’s good for their bottom line. That’s code. That’s like when the prisoner says that he doesn’t want to be considered a rat, when really all he wants is to not get killed by the mafia or encourage future cooperation.

I do agree thoroughly that this our window to win a world series. I don’t think that spending money on the draft is the best way to even do that. I think raising payroll is. When will most of these players who require higher bonuses be ready? Aren’t most of them high school aged students in the first place? I think that these players will help the team suck less in 2012 and 2013. Maybe they could trade those draftees in a year for current stars, but that might not necessarily be as effective as raising payroll as a method to go deep in the playoffs and make lots more profit.

by Matt Swartz on Apr 21, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a good point about the draft not being the best avenue to maximize chances of a title within the current window.

But I do think that if, say, Carrasco and Cardenas and Outman all have amazing seasons and we can trade them for (say) Matt Cain next winter, it’s easier to bear that if you bust slot three times in the 2008 draft.

I guess my overall point is that this system-which, as I commented in Whote Camels’ thread about trading draft picks, is an unholy amalgam of coercion (no trading picks) and persuasion (please don’t bust slot)-is doomed in the short-to-medium term, so the rational move is to speed its destruction for selfish gain.

by dajafi on Apr 21, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to remember that the only reason baseball teams make money at all is pretty much because they pay less in the draft than players are worth. It’s not rational to destroy that—it’s not selfish, it’s ruining your business.

The coercion is future cooperation—you see how the Red Sox and Yankees punish each other for cheating. To compete with each other, they need to pay up and it cuts into their profits. That’s the whole point of the repeated prisoner’s dilemma.

by Matt Swartz on Apr 21, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

baseball - all screwed up

Dajafi, you’re a lot older than I thought you were.

Basically, the problem here is that the way MLB is organized is just all screwed up. It’s neither a true free market (like the European soccer leagues are), nor is it centrally planned (like the NFL). It’s somewhere in between, and you end up with a system that doesn’t really make any sense.

by taco pal on Apr 21, 2008 11:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FUnny you mention soccer

I’ve argued the point on many a barstool that the MLB should convert itself to the free market system of world soccer.

Why not just open it right up? Let clubs buy and sell players in straight cash swaps. Let them sign young players to whatever deals they want. In many ways, it could level the playing field.

I think they’ve already nudged in this direction anyway over the past few years. The “posting fee” you see MLB clubs paying japanese clubs is very similar to the transfer fee system you see in soccer. Bud Selig has allowed many “trades” that are very cash heavy.

by JasonB on Apr 21, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there are pros and cons

One thing you see in European soccer leagues is that the same two or three teams tend to win the championship every single year. Also, teams sometimes fold.

That isn’t such a big deal in European countries, not so much because their populations are smaller but because they’re more concentrated. For instance, the population of the London metro area is fully one fourth that of England as a whole. And there are only about six metropolitan areas that even have 800,000 people (much fewer per capita than the US). And just in general, everyone lives pretty close together. If one team goes bankrupt, it’s not going to hurt the league as a whole. And if only a small number of teams are any good, that’s not so bad because a large majority of the population will live close to one of those few teams anyway.

What if, in the US, all but let’s say 10-15 franchises were guaranteed never to win a championship ever? Or what if all the poorer, less successful teams just folded? I think it might hurt the sport as a whole. It’s not like people who live in Minneapolis or Kansas City can easily switch their allegiances to some other team, when they’re hundreds of miles away from the nearest large metro area. After a couple of decades, they’d probably just stop watching the sport in question.

Yet, that’s really what’s necessary if you want to have a true free market. In American sports, teams compete on the field, but they’re partners in business—they don’t compete against one another, they jointly sell a product that’s competes with other forms of entertainment. While every team wants to maximize its fan base and merchandising revenue to some degree, they mostly don’t do so at each other’s expense like firms in any other industry do. The soccer system would make more economic sense that what MLB currently has, but I don’t know that it would be the best thing for the sport.

by taco pal on Apr 21, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Different

The reason the same teams usually win in Euro leagues is because they use a single table system, not a playoff system. Basically, the team with the most points at the end of the season wins the title. There’s no playoffs. If that were the case here, the same teams would be winning every year. Every year pretty much the same group of teams finish with the best record in baseball. The playoffs are what allows smaller market teams to win. Plus, let’s be honest… at least 10 franchises are almost guaranteed to never win under the current system has become.

As far teams folding. Again, that’s very different. Nearly every little town has at least one soccer team. Some more than that. Imagine if single A or double AA teams had to compete with MLB clubs money wise? The big teams rarely if ever fold.

I think in many ways it would even out the playing field. What would be better for the Twins? Some prospects in return for Johan Santana, or a cash payment of $20 million? It would also turn free agency on it’s head. The Yankees/Mets/Sox couldn’t wait until a guy’s contract is up and then sign him away while his first team gets nothing. Before his contract year, his first team would sell him for a huge profit.

by JasonB on Apr 23, 2008 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Obviously the playoff/table thing is not insigificant, but in the past ten years six different teams have had or tied for the best regular season in the AL, and seven different teams have had or tied for the best regular season in the NL.

Also, it may be true that every year there are 10 different teams guaranteed not to win, but in European soccer we’re talking about the majority of the teams in the league being lucky ever to win in your entire lifetime. It just isn’t like that here. A team like the Royals or the Pirates may seem hopeless now, but as recently as the early ‘90s (which really wasn’t that long ago) the Pirates were a powerhouse and the Royals were good. The game’s changed since then, but I don’t think it’s at all impossible to imagine a very well-run KC or TB team catching lightning in a bottle for at least a couple of seasons sometime not so far down the road.

In any event, my point was that baseball is the North American sport that’s the most similar to European soccer, so I’m not at all surprised that the difference in competitive balance in baseball is less great than it is for the other sports. In the NBA, dominance (no matter how you measure it – standings or playoffs) changes hands all the time. Nine teams have had or tied for the best record in the league in the past ten years. Heck the Pacers had the league’s best record only four years ago.

by taco pal on Apr 25, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few points

There are a few points that need to be addressed here.

1. The Royals, Indians, White Sox and Twins all play it by the book, or close to it, with the draft. So what incentive did the Tigers have to break slot? They didn’t just do it once, they’ve done it multiple times in each draft for the last 3-4 seasons.

2. By being the first team to exploit an advantage over your rival, you are gaining a competitive advantage over said team. If the Mets break rank first, and the Phillies wait even a year after that, they are losing a possible advantage, and even worse, not even staying on a level field. The Mets already have an overwhelming advantage over the Phillies in Latin America.

3. Most teams spend between 5-8 million dollars on their drafts. Teams that draft higher up the board are going to have to pay a larger bonus to the higher pick. Teams that draft in the bottom half of the draft are there because of their record the previous season, and they are the ones who are set up to exploit this inefficiency in the best talent not being taken in order. The Phillies spending an extra $2M every year in the draft would add 2-4 premium prospects to a failing system. I can’t really grasp how this 2 million dollar expenditure represents a loss, or how the risk is firmly titled in favor of the investment turning into a loss when you survey the current landscape of baseball’s economic growth.

4. Looking at the Phillies draft record over the past 6-7 years, the problem seems to be in player evaluation. An average SD is going to get a first round pick right, ie, he’ll be a decent big leaguer at worst, 70% of the time. The good SD’s are gonna get the pick right 80-90% of the time. The best guys never seem to miss a first round pick. But the key to not having to pay a lot of extra money comes in your ability to spot first round talent that slips into rounds 2-8 and be able to grab that talent and pay slot prices for it. Whether this comes from evaluating a guy’s true signabiltiy, or just picking out a guy who is being overlooked by other teams. The Phillies have hit only one guy like this in the last few years, and that is D’Arby Myers, who was viewed as a very difficult sign, but ended up signing for close to slot. If you had able, excellent talent evaluators, and this comes in the form of area scouts and crosscheckers, you can minimize the amount you need to spend over slot. But at the end of the day, premium guys are still going to fall, and the upside/risk on those guys is still higher, and they still merit taking, even if it costs a marginal amount of money to do so.

The Commissioner’s office wants to keep bonuses down. They arbitrarily deflated bonuses by 10% in the 2007 draft from 2006 levels. There are no “rules” that mandate what an amateur player is given. As long as a handful of teams continue to follow rules that don’t exist, the other teams will continue to stockpile talent in places they shouldn’t be able to grab it. Spending more money now, while it may be bad for the bottom feeders who don’t want to spend, is a way to increase the strength of your system, and its a way to add potential chips to your big league team down the road, either by moving the players from the minors to the majors, or by trading them for major leaguers.

The Prisoner’s Dilemma is perfectly fine in the abstract sense, on a level playing field. But Major League Baseball, from its anti-trust exemption all the way down, is not a level playing field. The longer the Phillies wait, they fewer allies they will have in their “defense of the industry”, and the worse their bottom line will look. The Nationals, of all times, defected last year and confessed. At what point do we just shoot the Phillies and move on?

by Woland on Apr 21, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, lots of stuff that I have to take issue with here. I’ll go bit by bit.

The Tigers incentive to break slot comes from a couple of reasons: (1) They spend a lot of money in general and probably also have sufficient profit from free agents that it’s not a big deal otherwise, (2) They are somewhat in competition with the Yankees and Red Sox for the wild card spot with good teams in the AL Central who could win the division.

I think you’re missing the fact that I understand the competitive advantage from busting slot. I’m not saying it wouldn’t make the team better. I’m saying it could cost the team money in the long-run, since despite the myopic profit gain from being a better team, you lose profit by eroding the only main source of profit for major league teams—paying less for players who haven’t achieved free agency yet.

“I can’t really grasp how this 2 million dollar expenditure represents a loss, or how the risk is firmly titled in favor of the investment turning into a loss when you survey the current landscape of baseball’s economic growth.” Then you need to read my post. The reason is very simple if you read it through—it’s NOT a 2 million dollar expenditure! If it encourages other teams to pay above slot, and breaks down the system, it costs you more money in the future. The loss is NOT the 2 million dollar expenditure at all, and I’m not saying that it’s stupid to spend that. That’s why spending in Latin America isn’t stupid—because of the expected gain. It’s just that THAT doesn’t lower future profit by having other teams raise your costs as you did to theirs.

The Commissioner’s Office is not some evil black box seeking to sadden you. It represents the interests of the owners. It’s very difficult to manage collusion without someone explicitly laying out the rules that teams are to follow.

It’s not bad for the bottom feeders for not wanting to spend. As long as the Royals sign free agents, they’ll have done better in the short-to-medium term if they drafted and paid guys abofve slot. It’s just that most teams, and especially bottom feeders, have their entire profits based on extra money generated by the slot system.

The Prisoner’s Dilemma applies so perfectly that I’m further convinced that you didn’t read my post. It’s not about level playing fields. Go up, read the post, and adjust the numbers to asymetric values. As long as you harm your partner by defecting and help yourself, yet both of you would be better off if neither of you defected, you have a prisoner’s dilemma. Pay attention to real life strategizing and you’ll realize how often this applies. And collusion will only come from hope of future cooperation.

by Matt Swartz on Apr 21, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Busting Slot

I posted this on another blog, but it bears repeating here.

From a recent Arbuckle interview, re: busting slot in the draft:

"I think generally we have been a club and are a club that tries to do what’s best for the industry. Every club has to make their own decisions as to how they’re going to go about doing their business, but I do think that there is something to be said for trying to do what’s best for the industry."

On the surface this statement seems reasonable (genuine or not) but even if it is, it assumes the Phillies know what is best for the industry. Evidence suggests they don’t.

In fact, this line of thinking got them into to trouble with Howard’s arbitration (which was terrible for the industry) and leaves them at a critical disadvantage in the draft.

The slotting system barely deserves to be called a system. Ironically, the Phillies "sacrifice" in not busting slot most likely hurts the industry, since "compliance" to the slotting is spotty at best, with many of the richest teams taking advantage.

I appreciate your effort to relate this to the prisoner’s dilemma, but it is far simpler than that. The Phillies either bust slot and stockpile talent or allow their competition to take unfair advantage of them. If the league feels strongly enough about enforcing rules then they should impose an all inclusive system, not beg volunteers to abide by limp-wristed guidelines which put them at a disadvantage.

Maybe if every team busted slot in the next draft MLB would be forced to create a system that actually works. Meanwhile, the more the Phillies comply while others do not, the more the Phillies will be disadvantaged with no clear benefit to the industry.

Bottom line: competitive imbalance isn’t good for the industry and the Phillies FO should choose their battles more wisely.

by xfactor on Apr 21, 2008 5:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, it’s not far simpler than the prisoner’s dilemma. It’s a textbook repeated prisoner’s dilemma. I understand what you’re saying, but you’re missing the effect of encouraging collusion in future rounds. I understand that the system is poorly followed, but it is somewhat—even the teams that bust slot pay nowhere near the expected revenue that those players will generate. Baseball teams make a lot of money. They don’t make much money by signing free agents. They tend to break even on those, more or less. The gains come from spending less on the draft than they would on those same players in a free market system. This isn’t just one battle the Phillies should give in on—this is the whole thing.

"Gentlemen, we have the only legal monopoly in the country,
and we're f---- it up."
- Braves owner Ted Turner

He said this about free agency, but it holds true if draftees start being paid what they’re worth.

by Matt Swartz on Apr 21, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not the Phillies?

Seems to me that the big leap here is this: “Well, the Red Sox and Yankees deviate because of a few reasons. One is that they are in the unique situation where paying free agent’s salaries is still probably profitable to them. They stand to lose less by the system breaking down. Also, because the other deviates, they stand to lose more by playing by the rules.”

Why are the Yankees and Red Sox unique? Seems to me that the biggest reason is simply that they spend to win, make their teams ungodly good, and market the wazoo out of that fact. And I’m really not convinced that doing so is unique to those teams. Not only do I fully expect the Mets to follow suit increasingly (which would require the Phillies to increase their draft payouts anyway, according to the logic) but I don’t see why the Phillies themselves couldn’t profit from the same philosophy. One of the ways to build such a huge team is to increase spend at the onset, improve team quality, make the playoffs regularly, become more marketable and enjoy.

Sitting back and following the ehard doesn’t help to set the Phillies (or any other team) apart. I personally give a lot of credit to the Tigers for actually making the ffort to make their club into something bigger.

by Laaaaazzz on Apr 23, 2008 10:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A very good question

To be honest, I think the fact that the Mets have so far not busted slot is an indication that its league and especially division based. I would guess the Red Sox and Yankees are both responding to each other. The Tigers, as a wild card competitor, are responding to them too.

It’s probably based on the number of teams who have done it, too. The first few teams to do it probably understood they weren’t going to break things down—it’s once 7-10 teams are doing it regularly that it probably will really start to break down.

“Sitting back” in this example though is extremely profitable. Baseball revenues last year were double the size of player salaries. That’s incredibly if you think about it. Deviating is really dangerous. How much more profit would the Phillies make as a big winner than right now? Maybe a few million extra a year? That’s probably not worth breaking down the system that gets them tens of millions of dollars of profit per year. I’d love if the Phillies chanced it, but I don’t really have any trouble seeing why they wouldn’t. The upside for fans is huge—we could get a world series—and the downside isn’t really big at all. But for a baseball club run for profit—the upside isn’t really very big compared with the massive downside.

The Phillies, being so poor at evaluating free agent talent, are probably losing money on free agents on average or at least no more than breaking even. Having another competitive market is really dangerous for idiots.

by Matt Swartz on Apr 24, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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