What's he Werth?
Start stream of consciousness: I think we focus too much on players who perform the best. What is an MVP anyway? Is it the player who played the best, or the player who played the best in clutch situations? I tend to think that MVP is based on what actually happened in the past rather than the value of what has happened. Thus, if two players hit a double, and one does it with the bases loaded and the other does it with them empty, the player who hit it with the bases loaded has a significant step up in the MVP race. Sure, their OBP and SLG will be the same, but there was more team value to the double with them loaded. I am not claiming that said player is better in those situations or he will perform that well again. Just that he did, and it had more value to the team than the player who hit it with them empty.
Now that I am done with that tangent, what's this got to do with Werth? Well, we can all point to Utley as our team MVP this year (Pat is good, but a clear second), but in fairly broad terms. What did we expect from Utley? Certainly not this, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility. Starting off the year like this hazes the truth that this kind of streak could have easily occured for him at any time during the year. It is a lot less noticable because at that moment his OPS rises from .902 to .978, which is a sizable increase, but appears a lot less dramatic than an OPS of 1.250. Of course, when his OPS drops down to .978, we will fret because he obviously wasn't performing as well as he had. But an OPS of 1.250 through 25 games is something that we can expect Utley to do (or around that).
What about Werth?
Jason Werth did not even play the season before he played for the Phils. In 2005, he put up the following line .234 .338 .374 .712 in his age 26 season in 337 ABs. Before we got him, my best memory (as vague as it is) was a game in 2004 where he hit 2 homeruns against us, the second tying the game against us in the bottom of the 9th. No problem since we FINALLY got to face Eric Gange in the 11th and scored 4 runs off of him. That was back when Eric Gange went 700 games without letting a run score (though they were all unearned).
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN200408060.shtml
So, after the guy puts up a crappy year and then misses one with an injury, the Phils decide that he'd look good on our team. I actually liked it at the time, but who could have expect this line last year?
.298 .404 .459 .863
Or this year?
.292 .386 .569 .955
Werth, is, without a doubt, the best player on this team relative to how we expected him to play. And it isn't even close. If Werth played last year as we had expected, the Phillies would have won 84 or 85 games (I am sure I could crunch the numbers to get the real value, but you get my point). Utley performed around expectations (maybe exceeding them a bit) but nothing you'd double take on. Werth is the #1 reason why we made the playoffs last year. Projections had us finishing with a lower win total and Werth exceeded his expectations by such a large degree that it put it into the post season.
So, I am going to redefine MVP one more time. To me, it is the Most Valuable Player Relative To Expected Value or the MVPREV award (pronounced mev-prev).
Yay Werth!
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That 2004 box is priceless. Doug Glanville and Marlon Byrd starting? Amaury Telemaco? Roberto Hernandez gets the win over Gagne? Did that team have some holes or what.
by irons21 on
Apr 29, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
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Disagree, without Utley, we would have won 80-82 games? Therefore, Utley was clearly more valuable. That is my simple and straightforward thinking.
by Neduol Caz on
Apr 29, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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You are missing the point. We KNOW that without Utley we’d be screwed. His perceived value was equal to his actual value. We had no idea without Werth we’d be screwed. His perceived value was much much much lower than his actual value.
Read the last 2 paragraphs again where I base my entire point.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on
Apr 29, 2008 5:20 PM EDT
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Werth might be Pat Gillick’s greatest accomplishment as Phils GM.
He saw a guy who possessed patience, power, and speed in his offensive game, but had never shown them off to full effect because of injuries. The question was whether the injuries were chronic or of a freak nature; but for $800,000 it was worth finding out. Gillick (who had drafted Werth for the Orioles more than a decade ago) gambled and won.
The ability to find one or two guys like that every year-way undervalued for their talent level-is a key talent for baseball evaluators.
by dajafi on
Apr 29, 2008 12:57 PM EDT
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truth
But it’d be nice if he could do this with a starting pitcher just once…
by WholeCamels on
Apr 29, 2008 5:00 PM EDT
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We actually owe the Dodgers for Victorino and Werth due to their stacked farm system. I liked the fact Gillick picked Werth up on the cheap admitting he was not 100%. For the dollars .85M in ‘07 and 1.7M this year he has been a steal.
I feel much the same way about Benson. He might not work out but then again he could. Time will tell. For the minor investment this could also become a Werth-while deal.
by Steve-O- on
Apr 29, 2008 6:56 PM EDT
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