June 16: Hamels vs. Colon
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 6:18 PM EDT
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Boston Red Sox at Philadelphia Phillies, Jun 16, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
First, I apologize: the Phillies probably lost yesterday because I titled the game thread "June 16." Of course, it was actually June 15. We regret the error, and especially the defeat.
So the Red Sox are here. No Ortiz, a hobbling Manny Ramirez, and we miss Josh Beckett, but they're still damn good. Bartolo Colon, who just might have represented a better contingency-plan investment than Kris Benson, starts tonight against Cole Hamels. The forecast calls for pain, at least when the big fella's up to bat.
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I friggin hate the Red Sox. I hate everything about Boston, in fact.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cole is pumped I think. K’s Drew and Ramirez with a runner on 2nd. I love watching him pitch.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
J-Roll crushes a leadoff homer into the upper deck…that looked like a throwback to a swing from last season.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Howard with a 2-run bomb to opposite field. That was a throwback to his MVP year.
Colon’s fastball looks like Myers’ fastball right now.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Always good to see Howard going the other way.
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Colon batting…I have now had my dose of comedy for the week.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He looked like the XXXL version of Vicente Padilla.
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or the XXX-rated version. God forbid.
by Wet Luzinski on Jun 16, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did the Red Sox jump the shark?
baseball-zeitgeist wise? My vote is for the Damon chick flick that was filmed with the Red Sox winning it all in the background. I don’t think I’ve stopped vomiting since.
It’s a real shame, because I don’t like the Yankees either. But now I believe the entire AL East to be problematic. Rays might as well win it all.
by Wet Luzinski on Jun 16, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the red sox ‘jumped’ the shark once they beat the cardinals…once the curse was broken and they weren’t the ‘hard luck’ kids or the ‘lovable’ losers, or whatever the hell they were they just become a free spending team that won a lot….there was sort of an ‘aw shucks’ thing about them because of all the bad breaks, but really they are no better or no worse than the yankees, but the yanks were the ‘evil empire’ so someone had to smite them.
Personally, while my gf is from boston and a red sox fan (but a sixers fan now that she watches basketball), i’m kind of tired of red sox nation cause it’s not cute any more it’s just irritating.
I mean seriousliy, how bad of a city is boston that everyone leaves?:)
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will admit that I rooted for Boston in ‘04…but then a few things happened:
1. Their fanbase turned into this insufferable band of fair-weather yuppies who seem to show up out of the woodworks wherever you go.
2. Boston teams have continued to dominate in the 3 major sports, further enabling the aforementioned band of roaming assholes.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im rotin for the phils with u guys
or anyone who plays the sox
by lightup_thehalo on Jun 16, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of those shirts when i was a kid
I root for two teams:
Temple and who ever is playing Villanova.
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels
are my wife’s favorite team. She adores Mike Scioscia with the sort of simple, fervent feeling kids have for Santa Claus.
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good
sciocsia plays nl ball, but a far cry from the phil’s style huh? :)
by lightup_thehalo on Jun 16, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good game so far
lets make it 6-0 utley
by lightup_thehalo on Jun 16, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Utley has really been struggling for the last few games.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
love hamels
would love to have him on the halos… he’s awesome
by lightup_thehalo on Jun 16, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i hate pedroia…all of his hits are these little “duck farts” as Swindle would say…he never seems to make good contact.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s a fine player, i hate red sox games cause they remind me how dumb ed wade was
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As in not trading Wagner for some of their guys three years ago?
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, but it wasn’t just some of their guys
it was youkilis – 3rd baseman set for a while – greek god of walks
shoppach – who at the time was a better prospect than any phils catcher
and one other – i forget who
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoppach is the only one I remember clearly. Youk was in some of the rumors… as was Hanley Ramirez. Now there’s a thought, huh?
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe at least youk and shoppach were confirmed, i think ramirez was part of it but then i’m told he wasn’t.
An infield set at every position for a long while with howard, utley, rollins, and youkilis and moving ramirez to outfield (could he play right?)....holy crap
thus, ed wade is a miserable idjit who should be booed every time the astros play the phillis
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howard AGAIN!!!!
Hey Daj…what do you think? Could this be the spring training Howard that we were raving about?
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Could be. Or maybe he sees Colon as something of a cautionary tale…
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something like “you can have a milkshake ‘n’ cheese fries diet, or you can have sustained excellence in the big leagues, but not both.”
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, so a shot at howards body size/weight which is roughly the same size it’s always been?
You know, a brick outhouse, kind of like jim thomes?
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a cheap one whatever, howard has always basicall been the same size, colon let himself turn into a giant turd worthy of jose mesa
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not a nutritionist, but perhaps Howard’s body type is not the kind to age gracefully if he doesn’t watch his intake.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a legitimate question cause i’ve never read anything about it, is there press/articles at there talking about ryan howards every day diet?
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good one. I’ve seen recently Utley (chicken, fruit, water) and remember a chatter about Myers’ diet (cheesesteaks). From tv shots of his family in STL over the weekend I don’t believe he grew up in a cardiac-sensitive diet.
by Wet Luzinski on Jun 16, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really more a shot at Colon’s than Howard’s. (Hence “cautionary tale.”)
Ryan is fine now, I agree with you. (I saw the steal yesterday and everything…) I do worry a little that he might backslide as he ages.
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good to me
DOn’t listen to me, i just realize i’m signed up for 3 full online courses this summer in addition to my usual 50-60 hours of work a week, that might not have been a smart idea.
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a response that evidently I hit “cancel” to rather than “post”—basically that it was a shot at Colon’s physique, not Howard’s… hence “cautionary tale.” I agree with you that his fitness is totally fine.
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe I just posted it twice because I’m a dumbass.
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colon batting again, this is soo funny.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what’s with the bottom of the red sox order cole?
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
game situ update, please? Radio/tv free and internet blocked (hence my appreciation for site name which to date has flown under our IT goon radar).
by Wet Luzinski on Jun 16, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure. It’s 4-1 in the top of the 5th. Howard has two HR, Pedroia just homered for Boston, awakening their obnoxious fans in OFJOAB.
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If red sox fans out number philadelphia sports fans at tonights game i’ll be very irritated
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4-1 phils, top of the fifth
Howard 2 hrs, Rollins 1 hr, all runs on home runs.
by christonabike on Jun 16, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make that 4-2, Drew just hit one out.
by christonabike on Jun 16, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do onion routers work on irritating work firewalls
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that one counts as a duck fart.
by christonabike on Jun 16, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Feliz is such a good 3B.
And I hate Boston ‘fans’
by wehatetolose on Jun 16, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta disagree here. If Utley can do it successfully ~45% of the time, it’s worth it. Especially leading off the inning, when a single is worth a lot more.
by christonabike on Jun 16, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is this an argument against bunting for a hit?
by christonabike on Jun 16, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how often does chase utley bunt successfully for a hit, or bunt at all?
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know how to look that up, however, I specifically said it’s only worth it if he can do it ~45% of the time. That’s a rough estimate and would vary depending on the number of outs.
Utley is a smart guy and knows his skills. I don’t think he would be bunting if he didn’t think he could do it successfully a decent amount of the time.
by christonabike on Jun 16, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
45% of the time successfully bunting for a single.
Does anyone successfully do othat over a susainted period of time Somehow I doubt it or said person would try to bunt for a hit much more often.
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, of course no player can sustain a successful bunting percentage that high. That’s because defenses will adjust and start playing their 3rd baseman in. With where Lowell was playing when Utley was up, I have no doubt that there are a plethora of players who can bunt successfully 50% of the time—the question is whether Utley is one of them.
This also brings up another benefit of Utley bunting. It keeps the defense honest, which should lead to more future hits.
by christonabike on Jun 16, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rofl, Pat with a triple.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 16, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
News: Pat Burrell just hit a triple.
and hell has just frozen over.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that;s manuel’s fault, we all know jenkins sucks versus lefties
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 16, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good inning for Hamels there in the top of the 6th.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Feliz K/BB is ~1.25. His previous low was 2.5.
by christonabike on Jun 16, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The wheels appear to be turning for the O here in the 6th.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And if utley would stop sucking as he has recently ;)
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take all that boston!
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 16, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday a stolen base, today a triple…ryan howard is a speed demon
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hell really has frozen over or something; Pat triples, Ryan triples, Feliz walks!
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s the line you think you could have gotten on Burrell and Howard tripling in the same game?
by christonabike on Jun 16, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Again, Jenkins fails to make himself useful.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If jimmy rollins gets rmoved for not running out a routine fly, shouldn’t geoff jenking get removed for not taking ONE PITCH from a guy who walks a lot of people?
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jenkins should get removed for being Jenkins!
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did disney just synergistically pimp a jonas brothers almbum (and movie) during an MLB telecast or have my ears finally fracked it?
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Burrell is gone after only 6! Next it will be 5, then 4, then he will only get one AB per game!
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cole Hamels should not pitch past the 7th inning tonight
period
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WIth a big lead, hamels might want to consider ploinking pedroia :)
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chris Wheeler should never say the word “funk”, ever.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THe words that chris wheller should never say basically encompasses the lexicon of all words ever said, currently said, or ever to be said, in any language, or galaxy
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This game suddenly got fun. I think I’m at the point where I enjoy watching Hamels get first- or second-pitch weak groundouts as much as when he strikes guys out.
Also, wtf with Burrell and Howard triples in the same game? Those odds have to be close to getting hit by lightning.
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
While I can’t say I’m surprised, I have to agree that pitching Hamels here is beyond stupid. There’s only risk and no reward.
by christonabike on Jun 16, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He is a 300 hitter coming into tonight, maybe let him hit and then sit him – don’t waste the pinch hitter :)
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I’m hoping is going on. But yeah, he’s over 100 pitches, the game is comfortable, and there’s a lot of season left.
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When and how did Okajima break?
And Manny bats second, and he’ll have a chance to tie the game i believe if ESPN is right :)
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
jem, isn’t your (current or past) gf a Sox fan or am I thinking of someone else?
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, yes she is, she’s on the couch with me right now, but she doesn’t know how he broke.
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nor do I, and I had no idea before the ESPN guys talked about it.
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous…leave him in long enough to walk a guy…so stupid.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hamels gone after walking Drew. FM, arguably it made sense to let him face the lefty, but yeah.
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Chad can cover first base (snicker)
by Erufus2 on Jun 16, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The WPSG coverage of the game keeps showing this shot of Moyer, Kendrick, Eaton, and Hamels chatting it up in the dugout and Myers is nowhere to be seen. I have to wonder whether this is conscious on the part of these guys (not wanting to be near the sad sack of manure that Myers is) or Myers is just hanging out elsewhere.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, Myers is normally up on the steps watching the game
by wehatetolose on Jun 16, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, probably right. But I like to think that these team of good people treats Myers the way he deserves to be treated as a despicable human being.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I like Brett. It’s a shame that his control isn’t there right now, but when he’s on, he’s really dominant. He just needs some confidence and consistency. He’s one of those guys that needs consistent counseling as well.
by wehatetolose on Jun 16, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he has the potential to be a very good pitcher obviously. But I have no soft spot for wife beaters. Also, he is just a jerk. I have a friend who worked at the ballpark who saw him exercising on the stairs in the stands and tried to say hello and Myers grunted and completely ignored him.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pedro Feliz might be the best addition to the Phillies this year.
by wehatetolose on Jun 16, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree it’s a nice feeling to see a ball hit to third and not really worry about it. But the relievers >>> Happy Pete.
by dajafi on Jun 16, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No but seriously, not to start the debate again, but I was very happy to have Durbin in there. He was calm. Made a great pitch to one of the best hitters in the game to get a double play and then gets a pop up to end the inning. Really good work from him.
by Erufus2 on Jun 16, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3 outs in 2 pitches. I am impressed.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fastball he just threw to K Varitek reminded me of Maddux in his prime.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate chipper jones, even in highlights
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, someone, anyone, explain to me why ANYONE but teen age girls should be the target demographic of the fracking jonas brothers?
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. The majority of teenage girls have ears and thus cannot be the target demographic of the Jonas brothers. Deaf teenage girls, perhaps?
by christonabike on Jun 16, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point…but these are the same girls who listen to miley cyrus right?
by jemagee on Jun 16, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yay we win!
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 16, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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