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The Best of Times?

With over 10,000 losses as a franchise, the Philadelphia Phillies have been through a lot of eras that could be labeled "the worst of times."  There's much less to choose from in thinking about "the best of times," but I think you can make a really good argument that what we have now is this franchise's best of times.  And that's without even knowing what happens with the rest of the season and playoffs.

Let's start with the most fundamental.  The Phillies won their second World Series ever last year.  The only other World Series came in 1980.  The difference between 1980 and 2008 is that the Phillies sandwiched their 2008 World Championship with division wins.  In contrast, the Phillies suffered in the years immediately before and after the 1980 World Series.  In 1979, the Phillies finished fourth in the NL East.  In 1981, they finished third (but made it to the playoffs anyway because of the strike).

Beyond World Series wins, only one other stretch in Phillies' history competes with the current three-year stretch in terms of playoff appearances.  The Phillies are now entering the playoffs for their third year in a row.  The only other time they've been in the playoffs three years in a row was from 1976 to 1978.  Of course, the difference is that the Phillies never made it beyond the first round in those years, whereas in this stretch, even without this year's playoffs starting, the Phillies won the World Series.

That same stretch in the late 70s is the tops in Phillies' history for three year win total.  In those three years, the Phillies won 292 games.  So far, the Phillies are at 273 wins over the last three years.  Even if they win out, they'll still be 15 wins behind the 1976 to 1978 Phillies.  But, there's that World Series win that makes up for those 15 wins during the regular season.

The current crop of Phillies is a group with more hardware than the group in the 70s.  The current Phillies include Ryan Howard (rookie of the year and MVP), Jimmy Rollins (MVP), Brad Lidge (relief pitcher of the year), Cole Hamels (World Series MVP), and Pedro Martinez (multiple Cy Youngs).  The late-70s Phillies included just Steve Carlton (Cy Young) and Bake McBride (rookie of the year, although not with the Phillies).  The late-70s Phillies included two future Hall of Famers in Carlton and Mike Schmidt.  Of course, none of the current Phillies are in the Hall, although Pedro certainly will be.  Chase Utley is mentioned as the best second baseman currently and possibly ever, so he has a chance if he keeps it up over his career.  Others like Jimmy Rollins, Ryan Howard, and Cole Hamels are unlikely, but stranger things have happened.

And this group of Phillies has the fan support that no other group has had.  Even though the late-70s Phillies played in the Vet, which held about 20,000 more fans than CBP, this current group has outdrawn every other Phillies team to have played.  With four more home games, there's no doubt the Phillies will draw over 3.5 million this year.  And the fans are treated to a great experience in a beautiful stadium.  The Vet was, believe it or not, considered state of the art for its time, but CBP is better.

The Phillies have been around a long time.  Amidst the years and decades of suffering, there have been some moments of glory.  But, I would argue, none have been as good as what we're witnessing now.  Regardless of the outcome this October (and November, hopefully), we are living in the best of times for Phillies fans.  Sit back, and enjoy.

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The best of times- Im loving this
Not oly are we a great franchise, we have a bunch of great guys on the team
Go Phils!

RIP JJ

by MeanGreen5 on Oct 1, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Really makes me realize how lucky I am to be a Phillies fan right now.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 1, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

couldn't agree more

puts things in perspective

RIP JJ

by MeanGreen5 on Oct 1, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...

This is a great run, no question, but I would argue that the Phillies best multiyear stretch was 1976-1983:
Division Champs 1976-1978
one lesser year of 4th in 1979
World Series Champs 1980
1st half Division Champ in 1981 – made playoffs
lesser year of 2nd in 1982
went to World Series in 1983.

I think we still have a ways to go to equal that stretch.

by JWoody on Oct 1, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly

what I was going to post. I love this team, but another 3 years we can talk about this being a better era. Plus in the era from 76-83 you had Carlton, Rose, Schmidt, McBride, Morgan, Trillo (NLCS MVP in 80), Gary Maddox’s beard…

by Cormican on Oct 1, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Three year stretch

You’re right that I was limiting myself to three-year stretches. I still think you could make arguments that even this short burst is better than the period of 76 through 83, but maybe that’ll depend more on what happens this post-season.

by David S. Cohen on Oct 1, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

In terms of continuity...

absolutely. Three division wins, and barring any major injuries, we should be in the mix for a few more, particularly if we can hold onto Lee. And when was the last time big name free agents actually wanted to play for Philly?

But personally speaking, I think the ‘best of times’ post should at least have some reference to ‘93. We didn’t win it all, but that team was magical and lovable in its own right. Definitely one of my favorite teams of all time.

by Boundforbeach on Oct 1, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Still a ways to go

Apologies for the late posting. I catch up on my GoodPhight articles on the weekends.
I’m with JWoody – not that there’s anything wrong with the current three-year stretch. And the seven straight years of over .500 (80-81 in 2002, over .500 in 2001) is also impressive. But the team record of nine straight years over .500 from 1975-83 is yet to be broken.
In the point about sandwiching the WS title with division titles I thought it was a bit of a stretch to call 1981 a third place finish because the whole split season format took any incentive away from the second half. By the same token the Yankees finished third that year even though they made the World Series – and we all know that in baseball nobody finishes third and makes the playoffs. I always refer to 1981 as a first-place year with a division series loss to Montreal in the post-season. I know there’s a reference that lists the Phillies’ finish as third place, but that reference also shows the Reds and Cardinals finishing first and neither made the post-season, so that doesn’t seem quite right.
If I seem preoccupied with 1981 today it could be because it matches up with 2009 as the only times the Phillies were defending world champs – and they lost a great opportunity to return to the World Series when they ran into an Expos team that was playing extremely well at the end of the season, winning 11 of its last 15 to edge the Cardinals by one-half game (unequal number of games be damned!) for the second half title. Steve Rogers outpitched Steve Carlton twice in the five game playoff and that was the difference. I hate to admit that my life was very involved with work and kids in those days and I didn’t see any of the games – I was hoping they’d make the World Series when the games would be on at a time I could watch. I can remember driving somewhere on the Sunday of game 5 and listening to the game on the radio when Rogers shutout the Phillies – and thinking, okay, we’ll do it next year.

by phillyinportland on Oct 4, 2009 1:39 AM EDT reply actions  

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