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Phillies vs. Dodgers: A Family Affair

Dodgers starter Randy Wolf spent his first eight major-league seasons with the Phillies, winning 79 games for the club. (AP Photo/Chris Carlson)

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Dodgers starter Randy Wolf spent his first eight major-league seasons with the Phillies, winning 79 games for the club. (AP Photo/Chris Carlson)

 

Outside of video games and computer simulations, no "rematch" is ever really that: rosters change, managers and coaches move on, and even the guys who were around for the last battle are older and different, better or worse. But the differences in the Phillies and Dodgers between October 2008 and October 2009 promise to make this series a battle between two teams that know each other about as well as non-division opponents possibly can--and in some ways, a lot better than that.

Again and again in this series, a batter will be looking at a pitcher sixty feet away with whom he played for years. Half the Dodgers' likely series rotation--Randy Wolf and Vicente Padilla--were Phillies for the better part of a decade. Jim Thome, LA's biggest weapon off the bench, was the biggest star on the Phils for more than two years--and Charlie Manuel's protege and close friend through more than a decade with the Indians and Phillies. Dodger third base coach Larry Bowa was the Phillies' manager for four seasons, present at the creation for the big league careers of Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley, Ryan Madson and others (and, as this piece in today's Inquirer notes, an admirer of his former charges). On the other side, Phils reliever Chan Ho Park first emerged into stardom in a Dodger uniform and then re-established himself as a big-time pitcher in a return engagement last season. And Jayson Werth still carries both fond memories of his early success in LA and a grudge against the organization that first misdiagnosed the wrist injury that threatened his career, and then gave up on him. 

Star-divide

Emotional resonances aside, the most interesting question might be whether Wolf and Padilla have the advantage of familiarity over their former teammates, or vice-versa. Mostly owing to small sample size, the evidence is inconclusive: in three career starts against the Phils, Wolf is 1-1 with a 4.42 ERA but a strong .243 batting average against. Both decisions came this year: a victorious six-inning, three-hit, one-run performance on May 13, and a 6.1 inning, six-run effort in a loss on June 7. Interestingly, Carlos Ruiz--who might have caught Wolf three or four times in 2006--was the Phils' best hitter in both games. Padilla, who has spent most of his post-Phillies career in the American League, lost his only career start against the Phillies in 2008. 

For the fans as well as the players, though, those emotions linger. It's still strange for me to see Randy Wolf in another uniform: I remember listening to his first major league start, in summer 1999, while driving down to the Jersey Shore, watching his starts as the bright spots for dismal Phillies teams in his first two years, cheering him on through the near-misses of 2001-2006. Padilla was the briefly shining hope of the much-lamented Curt Schilling trade, an out of nowhere all-star in 2002 who flashed enormous talent over the next three seasons as well but too often faltered in the big moment before being given away after the 2005 season.

And Thome... the signing of Jim Thome, who'd been one of my favorite players since he surfaced as Cleveland's third baseman a decade earlier, put the Phillies back on the baseball map after years as something between a joke and an afterthought. For the first two years, he was as good as advertised, with a league-best 47 homers in 2003, then the second-highest season mark in franchise history, and a top-five MVP finish. Even his fadeout in 2005 proved a blessing in disguise, as it probably saved Ryan Howard from a trade we would have bemoaned for decades.  And Thome's presence in the clubhouse might have been the key element in management's decision to name Charlie Manuel as Bowa's replacement to manage the club. However questionable a rationale for his hiring, Manuel has proven to be the greatest manager in Phillies history. As a 39 year-old without a defensive position, Thome wouldn't seem set for a starring role in this series. But with all that back story, it's hard to imagine he won't find a way onto the stage at a key moment.

So too with Wolf, the Game One starter, and Padilla. Strange as it'll be to root against all three, it's their presence on the Dodgers that lends this matchup an intrigue and potential drama that even a rematch for the league pennant might not otherwise boast. 

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Drafted and Rule 5’d by the Dodgers

by taco pal on Oct 14, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget Victorino

Nice angle here dajafi. Don’t forget Victorino’s past with the Dodgers. As we all know, he was a Dodgers’ prospect the Phillies claimed in the Rule 5 draft. The Phillies then offered him back to the Dodgers, who refused, so Victorino went to Scranton and the rest is history.

by David S. Cohen on Oct 14, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

also

can’t leave out paul bako’s unforgettable 13-game stint with the dodgers in ’05

by taco pal on Oct 14, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, if you want to be completist about it, Eric Milton pitched for the Dodgers this season too… and a few of the higher-profile Phillies, including Utley, are LA area natives.

But yeah, meant to include Victorino and then it slipped my mind. I’m not sure he draws on getting dissed by the Dodgers to the extent that Werth evidently does, but in any event their loss was our huge gain—and after last year’s series, he’s not going to be received very well by the fans in LA.

by dajafi on Oct 14, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And of course, besides being an L.A. native, Utley was drafted by the Dodgers in the 2nd round (76th overall) out of high school back in 1997. The odd Levon Washington or Gerritt Cole situation aside, most teams expect to sign their Top 2 round high school picks, so while the front office has certainly changed since then, I wonder if there’s a bit of lingering frustration among long-time Dodger organizational types.

by PhillyFriar on Oct 14, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was also a serious Dodger fan as a kid, if I recall.

by taco pal on Oct 14, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m mildly surprised by how much turnover there’s been since Bowa left. Only five current Phillies played for LB and one of them (Ryan Howard) was just a cup of coffee. Cole Hamels has only ever played under Charlie.

Didn’t Wolf and Bowa not get along when they were here? Or am I confusing Wolf with one of the other fifteen guys who didn’t get along with Bowa?

by taco pal on Oct 14, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t remember specific friction between Wolf and Bowa… but then again my sense was that everyone on the team other than maybe Rollins detested Bowa.

There was the one game around the ASB one year when Bowa shifted him to the bullpen. But IIRC that was a great move: it was a kick in the ass, and Wolf was excellent the rest of that year.

by dajafi on Oct 14, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was 2001, and it was three games not one—but Wolf was almost unhittable after the break.

by dajafi on Oct 14, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great article! as was stated in the beginning, it’s rare that there’s such close ties between the two teams.

by sixrfan on Oct 14, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lot of ex phillies and dodgers
ex phils ex dodgers
wolf victorino
padilla werth
thome
bowa

this should be fun…just start the dang series already Selig!

Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....

by shaqfor3 on Oct 14, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kershaw last 19 regular season games:

5-3, 107.0 IP, 70 H, 52 BB, 123 K, 2 HR, .188/.288/.239, 1.44 GB, 1.77 ERA

Sheesh.

by taco pal on Oct 14, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Happ in the rotation?

At least that what it looks like on phillies.com.

I guess that means Happ for Game 2? I don’t like it. The Dodgers’ splits have been much-discussed, and I have a sneaky suspicion that Park will replace Bastardo on the NLCS roster, which would leave us with just one lefty reliever.

by PhillyFriar on Oct 14, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They’re probably just going off the fact that Happ started game 3 last series. Nothing official has been released yet right?

by SJPhillyVT on Oct 14, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess that would make sense except pedro didn’t start so why is he listed over blanton?

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Oct 14, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they’re just guessing. Nothing’s been announced yet.

by taco pal on Oct 14, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It looks like they’re just listing all of the Phillies starters and not the actual ones who’ve been picked to start, hence the (alphabetical) comment.

You wanna know how great baseball is? The greatest basketball player ever left his sport to play baseball.

by Jesse Sparks on Oct 14, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guessing is a more likely aspect – or they hate joe blanton

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Oct 14, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dont forget Lopes

Saw a comparison of Bowas and Lopes on espn today. Remarkably similar careers, for the opposite organizations. Don’t have time to find a link for the video but I think it was on SportsCenter today.

"I can play anywhere; First, Third, Left field, anywhere but Philadelphia." - Dick Allen
http://www.travismount.net

by tam5070 on Oct 14, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And don't forget

that play between Bow and Davey that each one swears to this day they made their respective plays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davey_Lopes#Controversy

"I can play anywhere; First, Third, Left field, anywhere but Philadelphia." - Dick Allen
http://www.travismount.net

by tam5070 on Oct 14, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys, I’m not sure if you have seen this or not, but the Dodgers have announced their pitching rotation (I was shocked at the order) and game 1 lineup. If you are interested:

Pitching Rotation
Kershaw
Padilla
Kuroda
Wolf

Game 1 Lineup
Furcal SS
Ethier RF
Ramirez LF
Kemp CF
Blake 3B
Loney 1B
Belliard 2B
Martin C
Kershaw P

Here’s to a good series.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not totally shocked

I would have switched Wolf and Padilla, but I get why the Dodgers are doing it. Kershaw and Padilla should benefit from the cozy confines of home (plus protect Padilla from the Phillies home crowd taunts—he gets rattled, like Myers, and was a former Phil); Kuroda can kill the Phillies from any park and Wolf is quite familiar with CBP (even if he hates it, a fact that is well known).

Wolf has been better this year than Padilla and so should get the #2 over him, but I understand why Torre & Co set it up that way.

For the Phils it should be Hamels, Pedro, Lee, Blanton—but we still don’t know for sure.

Good luck. I’m hoping for a 6 or 7 gamer.

by doubleh on Oct 14, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m hoping for the Phils in 4. Duh.

by Bilzo on Oct 14, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don’t see that happening, so my thoughts are that if it goes 6 or 7, the Phils are more likely to win.

by doubleh on Oct 14, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s possible enough to hope for. I also think a Phils sweep is more likely than a Dodgers sweep. I just hope the Phils win, but the fewer games they take to do so, the less stressful a series it will be.

by Bilzo on Oct 14, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Torre set up his rotation really well—the guy who’s most likely to have a really great game starts the opener, the guy who absolutely kills the Phillies starts the pivotal Game Three, and Padilla doesn’t have to pitch in our yard.

Then again, if the Phils win the opener, he’s counting on Padilla in a must-win. So there’s plenty of risk.

by dajafi on Oct 14, 2009 10:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I like your hypothetical. I’d love the Dodgers to have a must-win with Padilla starting. Let’s do that.

by doubleh on Oct 14, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Almighty Zo hath bloggen

Pedro starts game 2.

Myers, Kendrick off the NLCS roster.

Park, Bruntlett on the NLCS roster

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 15, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn

seems like Myers never fully healed

sucks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 15, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If this is so I’m even more pleased than before. Methinks Park makes more sense than Kendrick and a sixth man on the bench is probably more valuable than a twelfth pitcher.

by phillyinportland on Oct 15, 2009 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree… but given LA’s great lefty relievers, I really, really would have preferred Mayberry—who kills lefties—over Brunt.

by dajafi on Oct 15, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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