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Thoughts on the World Series Roster

With four days remaining until the 2009 World Series begins, the Phillies haven't indicated what if any changes they might make to their roster. In the Division Series against Colorado, the Phils went with thirteen position players and twelve pitchers, including eight relievers; as things played out, Charlie Manuel's first dips into the bullpen were to call upon starters Joe Blanton and J.A. Happ anyway, and the position-player shortfall necessitated ace Cliff Lee to be used as a pinch-runner. Against the Dodgers in the NLCS, Manuel went to fourteen position players and eleven pitchers, replacing Brett Myers with Eric Bruntlett; while Jayson Stark reports that Myers might be back in the mix for the Fall Classic, Bruntlett did see some high-leverage action as a pinch-runner, scoring the key tying run in Game Four on Jimmy Rollins' game-ending double in the ninth inning. 

Both the 13/12 alignment for the NLDS and the shift to 14/11 for the following round made some sense. Because of recent injuries, Manuel wasn't sure what he had in Myers, Scott Eyre, or Antonio Bastardo for the first round, so there was some strength in numbers. But for the Dodgers series, the more forgiving calendar--two off-days in what turned out to be a five-game set--greater confidence in Eyre, shifting Happ to a relief role, and the return of Chan Ho Park made it safer to go with 11 arms. On the other hand, Bruntlett's added value was solely as a pinch-runner and defensive replacement; as we've noted at several points this season, there's a legitimate case to be made that at least three or four Phillies pitchers would represent a more dangerous pinch-hitting option.

For this final series, it seems safe to assume that 11 positional spots (the eight regulars plus Paul Bako, Ben Francisco and Matt Stairs) are absolutely set, plus ten pitchers (the five regular season starters, Brad Lidge, Ryan Madson, Eyre, Park, and Chad Durbin). That leaves four spots: Bruntlett, Miguel Cairo and Greg Dobbs for two or three bench positions, and Bastardo, Myers, Kyle Kendrick, Tyler Walker and Clay Condrey for one or two pitching openings. (I'd like to believe John Mayberry Jr., who offers speed, outfield defense, and power against lefties, is getting some consideration as well, but I don't think he is.)   

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Dobbs probably has a bench spot even though he's 0 for 4 in the postseason went just 3 for 18, with no extra-base hits, after coming off the disabled list in mid-September, and is still evidently unable to play in the outfield. He bats lefthanded, and neither the Yankees nor Angels as deep in lefty relievers as the Dodgers are. Cairo seems to have impressed Manuel with his versatility and professionalism, though he too is hitless in the 2009 playoffs; for his career in the postseason, however, he's a .303 hitter in 77 at-bats. Bruntlett you know about; his defensive versatility and decent speed are assets, even if they're redundant with what Cairo brings to the table. 

On the pitching side, Bastardo's fate might depend upon the opponent. The Angels have only one left-handed hitter, Bobby Abreu, among the players who have started games for them this postseason, but four switch-hitters; the lefty Bastardo could be useful in turning around Chone Figgins and Kendry Morales, both considerably weaker bats from the right side. The Yankees, by contrast, have Robinson Cano and Johnny Damon as regular lefty bats, plus switch-hitters Jorge Posada, Mark Teixeira, and Melky Cabrera--but of the five, only Damon shows anything close to a significant dropoff against southpaws (.776 OPS compared to .889 facing righties). As Stark notes, Myers was effective against the Yankees in a victorious eight-inning start back in May. As for Condrey, Walker, and Kendrick, the value in adding any of them would be depth and perhaps a one- or two-batter tactical option. 

Were it my decision, I'd probably go with 12 pitchers against either team. This is sabermetric blasphemy, but unfortunately, the Phillies don't have a last-bench-bat option who seems at all likely to make a positive difference in a big spot--at least not if Mayberry isn't in the discussion, and arguably not even if he is. The first 10-11 position players--the starters, Francisco, Stairs, and probably Dobbs--will have to generate the needed runs.. Against the Yankees, I'd leave Bruntlett and Bastardo off the roster and add back Myers and Condrey if the latter is healthy, Walker if he isn't. Against a relentless offense like New York's, though, there's some benefit to numbers, particularly considering the elimination of the off-day between Games Four and Five in the Series. If LA can win two more games and finish an improbable comeback, I'd keep Bastardo and probably switch out Bruntlett for Myers. 

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Yankees have Hideki Matsui too, but off the top of my head I think he actually hits lefties better than he hits righties.

I’m a little shocked that Cairo has 77 postseason ABs. I had no memory of him being the everyday 2B for the ’04 Yankees. He actually had a decent-enough season too, go figure.

by taco pal on Oct 24, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Matsui’s better against lefties – .976 OPS vs. .835 against right-handers. Against right-handed pitching, he hits 1 HR every 25 at bats. Southpaws? 1 per 11.

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by The Dark on Oct 25, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

but that’s just this season and likely a fluke; his career split is conventional, though fairly small: .865 OPS vs RHP, .824 vs LHP.

by SethC on Oct 25, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yanks Angels Game 6 is postponed. Probably the best thing to come from this for the Phils is that Lackay could pitch a Game 7, which hopefully keeps it close and requires CC to stay in for most of the game.

by Whack8888 on Oct 24, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

yep , and probably have the phillies face the yankees….niether team should be too much trouble for us, hopefully

eff you we winning anyway

by eagleswin on Oct 24, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, this is pretty obvious, but another big advantage to the delay is that if Lackay pitches Game 7, the Phillies will only see him twice at the most in the WS if the Angels win. Even then, he would be pitching on Monday, which means, I believe that he would pitch Game 3 of the WS. I believe Game 2, on Thursday, is only 2 days rest, which seems pretty unlikely.

by Whack8888 on Oct 25, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Btw, I start Francisco in all games in Yankees stadium regardless of pitcher and DH Ibanez.

For Who? My teammates.

For What? To Win.

How Much? Where do I sign?

by jonk on Oct 24, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve come around on that idea. I’d like to dump Dobbs and put Mayberry on the roster. Not a huge issue, I’d just prefer to have more power with an unreliable bat, as oppossed to an unreliable bat with pedestrian power.

by Cormican on Oct 24, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figured it was a given that thats what was going to happen

by philiafan14364 on Oct 25, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think ibanez should not be put on DH. he has been through a lot for us, and has hit big time homers. remember like last week he hit that 3-run shot against dodgers closer?

eff you we winning anyway

by eagleswin on Oct 25, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually really doesnt matter, to me now that i think about it. that francisco pick-up for us was very very good now that i think about that, we recieved alot on that trade giving up little, unproven prospects

eff you we winning anyway

by eagleswin on Oct 25, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can he not hit HRs as a DH?

For Who? My teammates.

For What? To Win.

How Much? Where do I sign?

by jonk on Oct 25, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Btw, this is why I HATE how the leagues are set up. Either no DH or DH them both. The fact that the Phillies may play 4 games in the World Series with a team on the field that they may have had out there like 2 or 3 times during the year is beyond ridiculous.

We play the whole year with Ibanez in left and now it is WS time and we likely have him as the DH…is that how it really should be played?

For Who? My teammates.

For What? To Win.

How Much? Where do I sign?

by jonk on Oct 24, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

(Shrugs) It isn’t how things would be in a perfect world, but I don’t see what the big deal is. If Ibanez DHs, it’s not like that means he’ll be doing a different job than what he’s been doing all along. It just means he’ll be doing half his job. That is, he’s not going to be asked to do something he hasn’t done all year, he’s just going to be asked to not do some other thing that he has done all year.

by taco pal on Oct 24, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, for 3 of the games, the Yankees are going to have to dump Matsui from their line up, making his contract completely wasted. The Yankees pitchers will also have less experience sacrificing etc.

by Whack8888 on Oct 24, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I think the question isn’t so much whether this works to the Phillies’ advantage or disadvantage, as it is whether this takes away from the entertainment value of the game. Either way, I don’t think there’s a huge impact.

by taco pal on Oct 24, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not like his contract is completely wasted. They stil lhave 8 players that they play as full time regulars.

And the less experience with sacraficing is silly. Cliff Lee is our best hitter and came from the AL.

For Who? My teammates.

For What? To Win.

How Much? Where do I sign?

by jonk on Oct 25, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he could pinch hit, and I dont mean wasted over the whole year. I just meant for those 3 games, the Yankees will not receive any benefit from what is a relatively large contract. That is about as bad as for an AL team as an NL team having there top pinch hitter DH for 2-4 games.

by Whack8888 on Oct 25, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is silly. Valuewise, it is an issue, but in terms of winning the game, then it is not.

For Who? My teammates.

For What? To Win.

How Much? Where do I sign?

by jonk on Oct 25, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Specifically in the case of Ibanez, it also probably helps that he’s played games as a DH—it won’t be as weird as for someone who’s never done the “pinch-hit four times a game” job.

by dajafi on Oct 25, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

You love to always play devil’s advocate to my points, but your answer always seems to be, “don’t think it is a big deal.”

It’s not about what we are asking him to do, it’s about the fact he has to do it. And it isn’t about him either. It makes no sense that you play a certain way for like 170+ games and then have to alter your strategy for one series of games. We have a better DH option this year than last, but we still aren’t as prepared as we should be.

I am fine if you want to always take the opposing viewpoint, but do it with more substance than not a big deal.

For Who? My teammates.

For What? To Win.

How Much? Where do I sign?

by jonk on Oct 25, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

i second the “not a big deal”.

Do you think the Yankees gave half a second to the thought of Hideki having to become a PHer if they make the WS (for only half the WS games) instead of him DHing like normal?

It’s not like the rules are changed. Every AL team knows what’s coming in the World Series with respect to the DH. Every NL Team knows it too. Each team gets 3 games at home (if it goes that far) before the tiebreaker game, which the AL won for the Yanks/Angels.

The only real change would be to make both leagues adopt one rule or the other, and there’s no way the player’s union is dumping the DH. Forget it. I like having the pitchers hit, the idea of playing the field and not batting is a joke to me. It’s staying the way it is, everybody knows the rules well in advance and it’s their responsibility to prepare for it.

I seriously doubt any team mulls “how will this affect us in the world series” when signing a player. The primary goal is to make the playoffs, so you get the extra home game gate revenue. DH or no DH, the Yankees will get to sell tickets to 4 World Series games. Cha-Ching. The World Series is at most 7 games out of at most 181 games in a season. 7/181 = 3.9%. It’s not a big deal.

by Bilzo on Oct 25, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, how ridiculous.

I suppose you won’t believe me, but I don’t actually keep track of whom I’m agreeing or disagreeing with when I respond to comments. I don’t have any intent to treat you any differently than I treat anyone else, and if someone were to actually take the time and analyze all of my past comments here, I doubt that they would find that I’ve “played devil’s advocate” with you any more than I have with anyone else. Could it be that a better explanation is that you handle disagreement less well than everyone else here? Perhaps that’s more likely than my having an agenda to persecute you by “always taking the opposing viewpoint.”

As for the alleged lack of substance in my point, I recommend that you read the three sentences that follow my statement that I don’t think this is a “big deal.” Those three sentences explain the logic behind my conclusion. I think the fact that other regulars here have agreed with me in this thread is also some evidence that my point was more substantive than you’re acting like it was.

by taco pal on Oct 25, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don’t think I should have to spell it out any more than I already have, but maybe I need to be absolutely crystal clear. Apparently you can’t be substantive unless you write a lot of words.

Let’s say Ibanez DHs in the World Series. What is he going to be doing that he hasn’t done all year? DHing? But what is DHing and how does it differ from playing LF? Both DHs and LFs hit, so there’s no difference there. The only difference is that DHs do not play in the field, so the only change for Ibanez is that he’s not going to do something that he would normally do. He is not going to have to do anything that he wouldn’t normally do. It’s not like Ibanez is going to have to play third base or, say, power forward.

As for the supposed problem with our having to “alter our strategy” for the next few games – what strategy? Is it a defensive strategy? Is putting Ben Francisco going to affect how we instruct anyone else on the team to play any other position? Is it an offensive strategy? Ibanez is going to hit in the same exact place in the lineup where he always hits – the only difference will be that Francisco will hit toward the end of the order instead of the pitcher. Is that a huge shakeup? How? Isn’t offense in baseball just an accumulation of several individual battles? How does Francisco’s presence in the lineup affect how anyone else in the lineup has to do his job?

by taco pal on Oct 25, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You seemed to get awfully defensive on my one line comment. Thou doth protest too much…

It’s not about him DHing per se, but about having to have a bench player now play the field when he usually doesn’t play there much (we were lucky with that trade, think about the alternative). However, this is not how the Phillies played all year. They did NOT have an outfield of Victorino, Francisco and Werth. Beyond the actual differnece gamewise, there is some sort of metaphysical difference here…something that doesn’t feel right. No other sport has a team play players it usually doesn’t play during the year because it is dictated in the game rather than by the team other than baseball.

I don’t like how baseball alters the regular season for the post season, but at least it is done on an even level for all teams (like being able to pitch your ace 1-4-7). I really don’t like how it alters the game for 1 team differently than for the other team in the World Series. I don’t care who is on our bench, the NL team is always at a disadvantage and no matter how much you claim it doesn’t matter doesn’t make it less true.

For Who? My teammates.

For What? To Win.

How Much? Where do I sign?

by jonk on Oct 25, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude – it balances out. They have to sit a good hitter that they sign for the whole year, but who doesn’t get to play. Don’t you think that puts the AL team at a disadvantage in the NL games?

Sure, the AL team gets an advantage at home, but the NL team also gets one at home. That’s why they play the first 6 games as 3 in each stadium.

I don’t hear you complaining about the extra days off, but that’s not how it goes in the regular season. Normally, in a 3 game set, you hope to get to and tire the bullpen in game 1. In the post-season, it doesn’t matter, because it doesn’t seem that you ever play more than 2 games on back to back nights.

by Bilzo on Oct 26, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, clearly I was the one being defensive. Pot-Kettle, anyone? Read your own posts before you try to get snarky.

I’m not into metaphysics. And in any event, I think what we’re really talking about here is aesthetics. Which is fine – if you dislike it from an aesthetic standpoint, you are perfectly within your rights. I just don’t share that view, which is also fine because it’s a subject that’s inherently subjective.

I don’t agree that the NL team is at any great disadvantage. Your reasoning makes sense only if you don’t take into account that every team – even the Yankees – is on a budget. The Yankees have invested a lot of resources in a player (Matsui) who they won’t be able to use for half the series. If not for the DH rule, they would have used those resources on different parts of their team. Likewise, if we had the DH during the regular season, we would have a better DH in the AL park during the WS – but we would have invested resources in that position that would not have been available elsewhere. Obviously, it’s a crude, inexact “evening out” system, but on balance it does happen.

by taco pal on Oct 26, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

the yankees are the exception to the model. The yankees have a budget, but it exceeds the budget of every other team. Seriously, I really don’t think they care about how much money they spend on Matsui wrt him having to sit half the WS.

by Bilzo on Oct 26, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great piece.

I agree that 12 pitchers wouldn’t be the worst idea given: (1) the depth of the lineup we’re going to face; (2) fewer off days; and (3) the presence of a DH spot minimizing the necessity for bench use. I’d still lean toward 11 pitchers anyway (for fear of Cliff Lee pinch running again), but I can see the argument both ways.

I doubt Mayberry is even in consideration; he’s playing in the Mexican League right now, and I don’t think they’d recall him from there. But as far as “off the radar” guys go, I think I’d rather have Andy Tracy around than Dobbs at this point. A still-not-completely-healthy Dobbs is there only to be a left-handed pinch hitter, and quite frankly, Tracy would do a better job of it than him.

And while I’m no Bruntlett lover, I do think he makes some amount of sense as a 6th bench guy. He gives Charlie defensive flexibility in making late inning moves, he’s our best pinch runner (though obviously that isn’t saying much), and while he was certainly awful with the bat this year, he’s at least a career .263/.352/.386 hitter against southpaws, which is the only situation I can see him getting a meaningful at bat in.

by PhillyFriar on Oct 25, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Good thought about Tracy. I agree. Had totally forgotten about him.

by dajafi on Oct 25, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, it would be so nice to still have a 24-year-old Michael Bourn on the roster as a spare part. Of course, it wasn’t to be.

by taco pal on Oct 25, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

no matter how good bourn turns out to be, that trade basically won the phils a WS. They don’t get there without lidge’s performance last year.

by Bilzo on Oct 25, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, right, that’s why I said it wasn’t to be.

by taco pal on Oct 26, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no need for Bruntlett AND Cairo. Pick on, leave the other off. Since more than half the games will not have many pinch hitters, you have no need for Bruntlett at all.

For Who? My teammates.

For What? To Win.

How Much? Where do I sign?

by jonk on Oct 25, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look, I get that Bruntlett basically can’t hit his way out of a wet paper bag, and I’d much prefer to carry Mayberry over him. But given the choice between a 6-man bench (even one that includes Bruntlett) and a 12-man pitching staff, I still think the 6-man bench is the way to go.

Dajafi has made a good argument to the contrary, and I don’t think it’d be egregious to go with 12 pitchers, but I’d still prefer 11.

For the record, I’d go with a bench that consists of Francisco, Stairs, Cairo, Mayberry, Tracy, and Bako. And I agree with dajafi: if it’s the Angels, I think about Bastardo as my final pitcher, but I might lean toward either Myers or Condrey in any case.

by PhillyFriar on Oct 25, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

59 years

The last time the Phillies played the Yankees in the World Series was 59 years ago. This year the Phillies are rested and ready to play. 59 Years ago Simmons was in the Army, and the Phils had to win a playoff game against the Dodgers to get into the Series. The Phillies closer had to start the first game because they had no other pitcher ready. As it was the Phils only lost the game 1 to 0. What a difference 59 years makes.

by fan since late 40's on Oct 25, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Congratulations on your second WS appearance Phillies.

See you guys in a few days. May the best team win. Good Luck.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Oct 26, 2009 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

hey

kick some yankee ass

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Oct 26, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Yankees, and Phillies, and Rain... oh my!

Looks like wednesday will be a wet one in New York with rain during the day and pretty likely at night. Then rain showers are in the forecast for the sat/sun games in Philadelphia, along with bone chilling night time temps. Close the roofs! :)
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Oct 26, 2009 1:16 AM EDT reply actions  

great look at the roster potentials.

i loooove (lengthened for sarcasm) seeing the DH sitting in the dugout all alone just watching his teammates. What a job!

Also, during the game broadcast last night that Cole would start game 2. I feel like he would be better for game 3 at home. Statheads want to back me up or crush the notion?

by pjnc2003 on Oct 26, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Hamels does do better at home this year – sOPS+ of 87 versus 114 on the road, but he’s also luckier at home – BABIP of .290 home to .351 away.

It’s another case of Small Sample Size Syndrome, but Happ’s been disgusting away and only mediocre at home – sOPS+ of 114 at CBP, but 69(!) on the road and a 1.084 WHIP.

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Oct 26, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

sOPS+ – OPS+ of this split relative to the major league OPS for this split: 100*((split OBP/ML avg. OBP of split) + (split SLG/ML avg. SLG of split) – 1)
are these numbers based on an average of 100, higher being bad and lower being good, i presume? couldn’t find this one in the BP glossary

batting average on balls in play (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batting_average_on_balls_in_play) i understood this one

WHIP – walks and hits per innings pitched and i understood this one too

by pjnc2003 on Oct 26, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

sOPS+ depends on whether you're a pitcher or a batter

For a pitcher, low sOPS+ is good, high is bad. For a batter, high is good, low is bad. The league average is 100. It’s essentially OPS+ made relative to the league’s numbers

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by The Dark on Oct 26, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

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