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Three Up, Three Down: Why the Phillies Will and Won’t Repeat in 2009

Look: I don’t know and you don’t know. The playoffs aren’t a total crapshoot, and it’s inane to compare a post-season series to any five- or seven-game stretch of the regular season, as some analysts do. Talent matters, but it’s not determinative: between the randomness of baseball and the pure unknowns, from physical condition to unpredictable environmental factors, guessing is a fool’s game.

But let’s play it anyway.

Here are three reasons why the Phillies will raise a second straight world championship banner in a month or so, followed by three why they won’t. 

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  1.  Aces Up. In terms of talent and pedigree, none of the other seven playoff clubs can match the front-of-the-rotation duo of Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels. Maybe more important, both pitchers have enjoyed a lot of success against the teams they’ll see in the first two rounds of the postseason: defending AL Cy Young Award winner Lee is a combined 3-0 in four career starts against the Rockies, Cardinals and Dodgers, with a cumulative ERA of 1.23 in 29.1 innings. Hamels, the reigning NLCS and World Series MVP, was shelled in his lone regular-season start against the Rockies--his first of 2009 before he was fully healthy--and his numbers against St. Louis are fairly pedestrian: a 2-2 record and 4.22 ERA in six career starts. But he’s owned the Dodgers, with a 2-0 record and 1.50 ERA in four regular season starts (including a shutout this year) and, of course, those two wins last October for the pennant. Add in the struggles of Colorado and St. Louis against left-handers generally, and the Phils should have a big edge whenever their big two take the mound.

  2. Grinding for Glory. Notwithstanding the overall inconsistency of the offense and the baffling tendency to scuffle against the likes of Yorman Bazardo, the Phillies hitters tend to focus and turn in better at-bats against superior pitchers. Examples this year have included superior performances against the likes of Dan Haren and Josh Johnson—but the trend also shows up in the career splits of some of the starters they’ll see through the NL playoffs. Rockies Game One starter Ubaldo Jiminez has an 8.10 career ERA against the Phils in two regular-season starts; Jorge de la Rosa, who will start Game Two or Game Three if his injured groin allows, has a 9.78 mark in four starts. Aaron Cook is 1-5 with a 5.85 ERA in nine games (eight starts).  Jason Marquis is 5-3 with a decent 4.38 ERA against the Phillies, but has walked more hitters (51) than he’s struck out (45). Cardinals ace Chris Carpenter is 4-2 against the Phillies, but his 5.73 ERA in eight starts suggests he hasn’t exactly dominated them. Chad Billingsley of the Dodgers has a good 3.24 ERA against the Phils in the regular season, but they beat him up twice in last year’s NLCS. There are exceptions: Adam Wainwright has a solid 3.10 ERA against the Phils in six games (four starts), and LA’s Hiroki Kuroda--who’s out for the NLDS and could miss the entire playoffs--has stymied them to the tune of an 0.85 ERA in 19 innings. But for the most part, the Phillies hitters should go into these matchups with a lot of confidence.

  3.  Been Here, Done This. Obviously, experience can be overrated in baseball as in life, and past performance is no guarantee of future results: the Braves had ten straight post-season appearances after their 1995 world championship without another parade to show for it. But with this Phillies team, you know there won’t be any panic, and you get the strong sense that this is a team that not only expects to win, but has been waiting for October pretty much since July, when they took control of the NL East. Confidence does help, and this team has plenty—maybe as much as any team since baseball’s last true dynasty, the Yankees of 1996-2000.

 On the other hand…

  1. They’re gassedRich Hoffman has noted it,  as has Ken Rosenthal. And you’ve seen it too: Chase Utley’s weak swings, Shane Victorino’s disappearing strike zone judgment, Pedro Feliz’s regression, Jayson Werth’s flails and corkscrews. No lineup in baseball has been worked as hard as this one, and it’s shown in their September hitting performances. A few days of rest and the adrenaline boost of the playoffs will help—but the accumulated fatigue of eight solid months of baseball can’t be argued away. Facing some of the best pitchers in the game, the Phils hitters might also have to battle the limitations of their own overtaxed bodies.

  2. No relief. Do you really trust anyone coming out of the Phillies bullpen to get big outs in big spots? Brad Lidge’s travails we all know in excruciating detail; as nice as it would be were the light finally to come on and "Lights Out Lidge" to return, there’s utterly no grounds to believe it’ll happen. Ryan Madson? Nobody doubts the talent, but he’s reverted to a one-pitch guy… and the best hitters can time a fastball. Every other arm you might want to believe in is hurting: Brett Myers and Scott Eyre are limited, and J.C. Romero and probably Chan Ho Park will have as much bearing on playoff outcomes as you and I will. If they win a series or two, it will be a shock if the Phillies lose fewer than one or two games in which they’re leading late; teams can overcome those taint-kick losses to hoist a trophy (2001 Diamondbacks, I’m looking in your direction), but it’s difficult and rare.

  3. Nobody repeats. There’s a good reason it’s been a decade since baseball’s last back-to-back champion: on top of superior talent, everything has to go just right. The 2008 Phillies were a perfect example of this: already blessed with implausibly good health going into October, they were able to set up their rotation for every series with Cole Hamels working Game One. Beyond that, they kept getting the most advantageous matchups: a happy-to-be-here Brewers team for the Division Series, the Dodgers rather than the Cubs for the NLCS, an exhausted and inexperienced Rays club rather than the defending-champion Red Sox in the Series. Maybe all the dominoes will fall for the 2009 Phillies the way they did for last year’s club. But that’s probably not the way to bet. 

As any long-time Phillies fan will tell you, these years don't come around that often. All we can do is enjoy the ride--and hope it's a long and fun one.

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Nobody repeats

Well, I guess it’s a good thing we’re not nobody, we’re the “World Phucking Champs”!!!!!

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by sports00fan00 on Oct 5, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Actually, that’s a bad thing. I mean, he said nobody repeats, thus, it would be beneficial to be nobody, cause then we’d repeat.

For Who? My teammates.

For What? To Win.

How Much? Where do I sign?

by jonk on Oct 5, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

In place of that last one, I could have gone with “They Peaked Too Soon.”

The Phillies in July of 2009 were every bit as lethal as they were last October—maybe more so, because they were hitting better. They seemed to get a great start every single night, and they came back on those rare occasions when they were down late in games. Perhaps not coincidentally, this came right after they more or less stunk in late June (interleague play, of course); this team needs to be pushed, it seems.

I’m not sure I really believe that—but I was convinced that the mid-July Phillies were a rolling ball of knives, an almost unbeatable team. I don’t really feel that way right now.

by dajafi on Oct 5, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree. Early on this season, and also during their July skein o’fire, they just emitted this Team Dracula vibe that was just overpowering. No lead was safe, and every night someone would pop out of the crypt and bite our opponents. There was fear on the mound in the late innings when facing the Phillies, you could see it in the steps off the mound, and could almost smell it coming through the TV.

But with their bullpen travails, I have to believe that psychologically that has changed. We all experienced it the last couple of years as the Phils hunted down the Mets — “so what? Take your 4-1, 5th inning lead…we know you can’t hold it.”

I think the rest+adrenaline will help. If anyone I think the Rockies may get a bit of what we saw (ball of knives), but that it may not be able to be sustained in a 7-game series.

Also have to admit that the Dodgers-Cardinals series intrigues me. I have no feel who comes out of that bracket.

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 5, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? Id love to see the Dodgers. Kurudas out, theyre offense is slumping, Billingsley got his head cramed into his crack about a month ago, and the Cards have been scorching since they got Holliday.

by philiafan14364 on Oct 5, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they beat the Cards, that probably means their slump will have ended. Assuming everyone plays up to their normal capabilities, the Dodgers’ lineup would give us a lot more trouble than the Cards’ lineup would.

I don’t think the Cards’ pitching is that much stronger either.

by taco pal on Oct 5, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

free-for-all

If a guy from three weeks in the future told me that “NATIONAL LEAGUE TEAM X just ran roughshod through the Playoffs,” I don’t think I’d be particularly shocked at any of the four teams doing so.

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by WholeCamels on Oct 5, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

The red sox top two ain’t terrible either.

And if you believe in such things, Cliff Lee’s playoff pedigree is, well, non existent.

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by jemagee on Oct 5, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Those two have been nasty. The Yankees 1-2 aint half bad either.

"Red, it took me sixteen years to get here. You play me, and I'll give ya the best I got."

by Touchdown on Oct 5, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talent, yes. Pedigree, arguable (CC won a CY, Wainwright struck out Beltran to win the ‘06 NLCS), but I’d say no.

OTOH, if you put a gun to my head I’d rather have those two than Cole/Cliff.

by dajafi on Oct 5, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The takeaway, obviously, is that the Phillies have a 1-2 punch that can rumble with any in the playoffs. And that’s crucial. I’ve seen breakdowns of the playoff teams that praise Colorado’s starting staff for their superior season-long performance, but those numbers (WAR, support neutral winning percentage, etc.) were built on a 5-man rotation. Given 4-man rotations, and the ability for clubs to set their rotations to include 4 starts from a top duo in a 7-game series, a top-heavy staff is actually a very good thing.

by PhillyFriar on Oct 5, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but that also gets into issues of recent vs. season-long performance. Jason Marquis was terrific for four months… then he evidently remembered he’s Jason Marquis, and now it’s unlikely he’ll start before Game 4, if then. And obviously the Cliff Lee of September wasn’t the Cliff Lee of August. (Question is why: fatigue? luck? focus? He might be fine; he might be exhausted.)

by dajafi on Oct 5, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I think Id rather have the Cards side because of the way Cole has pitched this year and the way Cliff has pitched lately.

by philiafan14364 on Oct 5, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aside from a pretty high BABIP versus last year (375 vs 270) cole has pitched fine this year

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by jemagee on Oct 5, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Im well aware of that. But at some point you have to say to hell with the BABIP and FIP and just look at the scoreboard.

by philiafan14364 on Oct 5, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, no. You don’t.

by taco pal on Oct 5, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm….I smell a wager coming.

by Bilzo on Oct 5, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah you do. If the BABIP has been high all year, dont you think that maybe it could be becuase hes just not making the same pitches he was last year?

by philiafan14364 on Oct 5, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or he’s just a victim of bad luck

Keep in mind that last year had a pretty low BABIP (270) so he’s probably not as ‘good’ a pitcher as you think he wass last year and he’s not as bad as he was last time.

yes the scoreboard matters – but you know – there’s more ot the scoreboard than cole hamels.

Anyone know if Hamels RUN SUPPORT changed this year?

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by jemagee on Oct 5, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feel like I heard that he had an unusually large number of leads squandered for him by the bullpen, but I’m not sure about that.

by dajafi on Oct 5, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I read that it was 6 games where he was in line for the win lost by either Madson or Lidge. That’s quite a few.

by doubleh on Oct 5, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless of course that’s not quite a few.

You’d first have to find the league average of ‘blown wins’ and determine where hamels falls.

And to balance it out factor in the ‘losses saved’ by the offense after he leaves a game

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by jemagee on Oct 6, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fan graphs actually has that information :)

I believe when last I looked he had 6 ‘wins blown’ by the bullpen
However he had 5 ‘losses erased’ as well

So that sort of balances off.

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by jemagee on Oct 6, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry not fan graphs – baseball-reference

they have cheap wns, tough losses (1 of each for cole) and wins blown by bull pen and losses ‘erased’ by offense.

Cole had 5 wins blown by the bullpen
and 4 losses saved by the offense.

which would make him a ‘500’ pitcher if all factored in at 15-15 – so not like he’d look that better from the W-L record

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by jemagee on Oct 6, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

anyone know a streaming website to watch these annoying afternoon games online for us working folk? if i cant find one, im going to freak out

by ego on Oct 5, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

MLBtv

Right? I think you can get a post-season subscription. And last year you could watch Fox’s live feeds from four different cameras. No commentary and they weren’t synched, but it was interesting and free.

by David S. Cohen on Oct 5, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLB.tv is the only one I know of

posting links to pirate feeds anywhere on this site will result in a swift… “correction”

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Oct 5, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

does that mean you know one? if so, send it to goginenies@nih.gov
MUST WATCH PHILS

by ego on Oct 5, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

dot-gov? smells like entrapment here…

by taco pal on Oct 5, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup – NIH is a known harborer of a lot of rats and finks – what with all their free time after doing the kinds of research that needs to be done but no drug company will pay for.

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by jemagee on Oct 5, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s plenty of NIH research co-funded by major drug companies. For instance, mine.

by Steve J on Oct 5, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out of a sense of duty or out of a sense of obligation so they can get drug approvals faster?:)

I mean – I really hope the NIH wasn’t involved in the research that led to the development of Latisse

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by jemagee on Oct 5, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you need a bag-o-rat, NIH can hook you up.

by Bilzo on Oct 5, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

From the MLBtv website:

“Postseason Live Blackout: Due to Major League Baseball exclusivities, during the MLB Postseason, all live games will be blacked out in the United States”

by ego on Oct 5, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s just awesome MLB way to screw over folks who have jobs.

It’s amazing that MLB can do something so simple so well (the amount of free data available) and something like this so badly.

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by jemagee on Oct 5, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

im guessing its some restriction of rights because TBS is showing it…im hoping to find one of those “illegal” streaming websites if i can

by ego on Oct 5, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Oct 5, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I understand WHY the restriction – but it’s a day game – most folk on both coasts (including Denver COlorado) are going to be at work…there is MONEY to be made by showing the game online…it’s nonense

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by jemagee on Oct 5, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. There should at least be a distinction made between day games and night games.

I mean, CBS streams the NCAA Tournament and all the major tennis tournaments. Surely there has to be a way to negotiate a deal, at least for day games.

by taco pal on Oct 5, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I think that’s a bit of apples and oranges

A. Does the NCAA Tennis have a major tv deal?
B. CBS does black out games that are on in peoples regions based on their zip code when they register for the NCAA tournament – they just have a lot of games to choose from.

I’m not advocating that they show it for free – but charing 1.99 for people to watch streaming isn’t going to screw TBS – i mean most people would probably watch it for FREE if they had the option – providing the 1.99 option shouldn’t interfere with TBS that much and lines MLB coffers.

Is their MLB audio for the playoffs?

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by jemagee on Oct 5, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

A. What I meant was “CBS streams [(1)] the NCAA [men’s basketball] tournament and [(2)] all the major [professional] tennis tournaments [i.e. the Grand Slams].”

B. I thought CBS had stopped blacking out local games. I know they were doing that as recently as two or three years ago, but I’m pretty sure I watched the Temple game online this year.

by taco pal on Oct 5, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it’s not the popular sentiment and it never happens anyway, but what happened to… working, at work? I mean following a gamecast is one thing but actually sitting there watching a game is ridiculous. I’m a fan too but come on.

by SJPhillyVT on Oct 5, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

everyone has their own job which has different requirements. but like many people, i have breaks in which there is nothing for me to do, so being able to put the game on during said break would be convenient.

by ego on Oct 5, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah lab work (forgive me for assuming with the NIH email). I have a similar lab job, which enables me to leave at 2 PM both days to go to the Bank. Let the hating commence.

by Steve J on Oct 5, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

lab rat here too.

My company gets very upset about streaming so I don’t do that. I plan on taking a late lunch and catching 3 innings of baseball during my hour.

by Bilzo on Oct 5, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if the iphone app will have games

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by jemagee on Oct 5, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You put it on your headphones and yo listen to the audio and maybe take a break to see an instant replay.

Since I’ve seen you post – and often – during ‘working hours’ – i’m not sure questioning anyone elses work ethic is really worth while now is it

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by jemagee on Oct 5, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea but I already noted the difference between occasional checking and straight up watching a game.

by SJPhillyVT on Oct 5, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

What ever you say mr judgey judge

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by jemagee on Oct 5, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa

MLBtv has nothing in the post-season? What kind of modern internet deal is this that MLB negotiated? That’s absurd!

by David S. Cohen on Oct 5, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This could be a stupid question then, but what is this Postseason.TV site I’m seeing? It’s $9.99 and claims to have all the playoff games. It’s in partnership with TBS and FOX, so it looks like it’s operable.

by PhillyFriar on Oct 5, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

and explains why MLB.tv has nothing to offer – FOX and TBS want their ducats.

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by jemagee on Oct 5, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

De La Rosa

I could be wrong, but didnt he start that game last year (2008) when we scored 21 on the Rockies.

by philiafan14364 on Oct 5, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Indeed, he did. Had forgotten all about that.

by taco pal on Oct 5, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

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