Phillies Breakfast Links, November 3, 2009: Phight On, A.J. LOL, Bowa Attraction
by WholeCamels on Nov 3, 2009 8:20 AM EST
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Hey, I'm sure you noticed the different look around here. Everything works the same. Sorry for the lack of "warning" on the announcement; we've had lots of other stuff to talk about lately, to be honest.
Chase Utley ties World Series home run record
Greatest Phillie since Mike Schmidt, and it's not really close anymore.
Hamels, Myers tussle after Game 5 win
Okay, who put Brett Myers up to this? Amaro? Rollins?
A day in Philly for a New Yorker: from Giants to Yankees in one day
I love this genre of amateur field anthropology writing: "I went to Philadelphia to root for a rival team and the mean men were MEAN MEAN MEAN WAAAHHHH!!"
Phillies stealing Yankees' signs?
Larry Bowa: "I won't be ignored, Monty!" What a piece of human garbage. I hope he dies.
The Red Sox' Effect On The World Series
I guess they call Boston "The Hub" for a reason. What a bunch of self-centered twits.
Buses, subways halted by Philly transit strike
Well, at least they waited...
Phils mum on Victorino plunking
Clearly looked like an accident.
Gibson scoffs at rest 'issue'
Bob Gibson also never had to pitch to 30 HR hitting shortstops, in the modern "cozy" ballparks, etc.
Phils try to follow 5 comeback teams
See, there is precedent...
Phillies force Game 6 with win over Yankees
I am so incredibly excited to see Pedro Martinez pitch on Wednesday.
Pedro Martinez to carry Phillies' hopes in Game 6
The stuff of legends. I can't wait.
Bill Lyon: Start spreadin' the news: The Fightins live
Read Bill Lyon!
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Ew, new layout looks ugly. I want old back.
by FuquaManuel on Nov 3, 2009 8:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Really, the banner at the top is the wrong color…that’s all that doesnt look right I think.
by FuquaManuel on Nov 3, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the red?
Yeah, it’s different from the rest of the site.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Nov 3, 2009 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I also think the titles are way too big now – just from a proportion persepctive, I thought it was just one blog I read that made a layout change, not all of SB nation…that headline css tag needs to drop the font size by one or two sizes.
Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned
by jemagee on Nov 3, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I agree
That’s what stuck out to me too.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 3, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Certain html tags (sup and sub for instance) no longer work when they did previously but others do…which is weird
Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned
by jemagee on Nov 3, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blech
I assume there was nothing the blog lords could do to prevent this, but it’s not attractive.
Also, the “Z” command for jumping to unread posts in a thread no longer works for me.
by phatj on Nov 3, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the fonts and spacing. Something’s weird about them.
by taco pal on Nov 3, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
I think its harder to read now. Everything looks too similar and I can’t seem to tell when each post starts and ends. Super annoying.
by flyrsfrk05 on Nov 3, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we weren’t with a good number of Yankees employees, I would have been scared for my life
Give me a break… i’m so damn tired of people acting like its not like this in other cities. Scared for your life is a little ridiculous.
Brent Celek is the man
by 700 Level on Nov 3, 2009 8:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
As a Giants (baseball) fan in Philly, I have never felt “Scared for my life” at Giants games. Most of it is playful teasing
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 3, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well no one actually worries about the giants.
A giants (football) fan in Philly at games might be in for some pain, no death, but definitely some accidental beer poured over their head, four or five times.
Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned
by jemagee on Nov 3, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
being at both games sunday
there were plenty of yankee & giants fans there, but no one at the giants game got anything more than name called, unless they made an ass out of themselves, & the same for the phills game, phills fans would boo out the let’s go yankees chants, but there was no food throwing & there were several people getting thrown out, but i wouldn’t say left & right.
this guy probably just made an ass out of himself tailgating between games & couldn’t back it up b/c he’s a pussy
“You won’t be wearing that jersey after Monday night,” I argued back
I’m sure those are his exact words
And now, sitting in the passenger seat of a Nissan Maxima coming back to Binghamton
& notice “Nick” was driving, so i am sure he was completely sober that whole day
"Leave Michael Alone!" - said like that Brittany Spears fan on youtube
by sports00fan00 on Nov 3, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One guy even screamed, “You’re just as ugly as your mom!” with my mom right there.
Wait, I thought he went with some guy named Nick. Nick is his Mom? Also, to be fair, maybe his Mom is ugly. Then this isn’t a taunt, it’s a mere observation of fact.
by Cormican on Nov 3, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These one-person account stories are such BS, because the fan is going to these games with the intent of writing about what aholes the fans are. And, as we all know, if you go somewhere looking for trouble, you are most likely going to find it.
Where’s the reciprocal Philly fan in the Bronx—these people are smug, self-entitled elitest bastards—day-in-the-life account?
They could just then cancel each other out in the karmic internetsphere.
by doubleh on Nov 3, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, after reading that, I’ve had trips to Wawa that were more harrowing.
by Cormican on Nov 3, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i miss wawa. richmond is as close as they get
by Bilzo on Nov 3, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt the phillies do anything different than any other team. If they are in fact sign stealers, I suspect it is rampant in baseball. I think it’s just gamesmanship by the Yankees.
Feel sorry for Cole. Myers just picked a bad time to mock him.
by Bilzo on Nov 3, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
As long as there’s no electronic equipment involved, picking up signs is perfectly legal. Some people would argue it’s one of the “unwritten rules” of the game that you don’t do it, but as far as I’m concerned, if it ain’t written, it ain’t a rule.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Nov 3, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i used to do it in HS. If the opposing coach is too dumb to change ‘em up, that’s his fault. We nailed a guy on a squeeze play once because he called it over and over and over. If the coach made the ‘home run’ signal as his last sign, it was the squeeze call.
The degree to which Posada runs to the mound is irritating, and I also suspect, gamesmanship.
by Bilzo on Nov 3, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Posada may do that more often on the road. To signal to the crowd: We don’t care that you don’t like it and we’re not affected by your boos.
by taco pal on Nov 3, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i really didn’t hate him before this series. Now I detest him and was loving it when the ump refused his “time” call after Lee had started his pitch.
by Bilzo on Nov 3, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to do the opposite as a catcher – I’d sit in the dugout next to the pitcher and set up a rotation for signs. We had real simple stuff, like one finger for a fastball, two for a curve, a closed fist if I wanted a throw out to go after a runner, stuff like that. What we’d do to keep it from being too easy to figure is I’d always show four signs, but which one was the “real” one would rotate by batter, so we’d set up the rotation each inning (something like second sign for first batter, then first sign for second batter, fourth sign for third batter).
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Nov 3, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well you have to change signs like 3-4 times a year
Esspecially if you trade someone to the same league.
But if you’re stealing signs, the coaches and the players have to communicate so fast that it’s difficult. I’d guess that the easiest example of identifying a stolen sign is if the defense doesn’t play for a bunt at all during a non-bunt in a bunting situation.
If a team tries to steal signs, it would only work a handful of times a year. And that would take a lot of effort for something that is hard to take advantage of. It happens, but I don’t think it’s ever a problem. I don’t think it’s cheating at all.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Nov 3, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who was it who said If you ain’t stealing you ain’t trying?
Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned
by jemagee on Nov 3, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But 97.5 the fanatic has delivered again and has Bowa ALL week long. How can you not be excited?
On a side note if anyone wants some cheap Phillies gear check out sneaker junction. Its a overstock place on market, just west of 3rd street. Got a hat (fitted) and batting practice jersey for 50 bucks. (Need to support the Phillies, when I go to a WS)
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Nov 3, 2009 10:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oakland A's fan cheering for the Phillies
there are actually many of us rooting for the Phillies and against the Yankees. I was at a local sports bar in Oakland last night, and we were whooping it up — Phils fight on!
by OaklandSi on Nov 3, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, Oakland’s also got hometown hero J-Roll to root for.
by Cormican on Nov 3, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And considering the A’s are originally a Philly team, they do owe us some loyalties (considering they took the “good franchise”). LOL
by doubleh on Nov 3, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, good point, didn’t think of that. Though the A’s stopped off elsewhere before Oakland, I still like the argument.
by Cormican on Nov 3, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They were in Kansas City for a while.
by taco pal on Nov 3, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They didn’t win anything there, I don’t think—all the titles were in Philly and Oakland, right? So, we’ll just pretend Kansas never happened, or almost never happened in the case of Penguins fans.
by doubleh on Nov 3, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I recall they were only in KC for a few years. All titles were either with Jimmy Foxx in Philly or in Oakland with Eckersley, Jackson and the more recent teams.
by Cormican on Nov 3, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Islanders are a potential candidate to move there now. Hard to believe there would be much of a fan base for hockey in KC.
by taco pal on Nov 3, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a team in Arizona
I think the NHL will just shove teams anywhere (except Canada) right now.
by Cormican on Nov 3, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, they clearly could be the Islanders anymore. That would be moronic.
by Cormican on Nov 3, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True. But if there are Lakers in Los Angeles…
by taco pal on Nov 3, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m willing to assume the Pacific as one huge lake more easily than accept that Kansas is a n island. :)
by Cormican on Nov 3, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The New Jersey Devils used to be the Kansas City Scouts
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Nov 3, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one of the best special days during the season was
when the A’s dressed in 1929 Philadelphia A’s uniforms (and the manager dressed in a suit and hat a la Connie Mack). They also gave away free jerseys…and they won that game.
by OaklandSi on Nov 3, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Andy Pettitte’s 2009 game log
Postseason game log
Two observations:
1. He pitched pretty poorly down the stretch this year.
2. He pitched well during the AL playoffs, but worked not only on full rest, but on extra rest, for each of his starts.
by taco pal on Nov 3, 2009 11:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
pray for good weather and no game postponement so he doesn't get any more rest
by OaklandSi on Nov 3, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From Accuweather.com
Wednesday Night, Nov 4
Low: 40 °F RealFeel®: 39 °F
Turning cloudy
Thursday Night, Nov 5
Low: 41 °F RealFeel®: 25 °F
A passing shower in the evening; otherwise, clouds breaking, becoming windier and chilly
by taco pal on Nov 3, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Victorino
Any word if Victorino’s hand is ok?
I know they said last night that x-rays were negative, but Im sure its black and blue today.
by Tron79 on Nov 3, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He picked up a case of robitussin last night, he’ll be fine
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by jemagee on Nov 3, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reports are that he rubbed plenty of dirt on it.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Nov 3, 2009 1:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
just a bad bruise
fortunately the phillies hand doctor was in the stadium last night, no way shane was coming out, but with a 6 run lead & b/c he was 0-3, they finally took him out
"Leave Michael Alone!" - said like that Brittany Spears fan on youtube
by sports00fan00 on Nov 3, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
removing him and not ibanez cost the phils runs too. Francisco catches that ball that went off A-Rod’s glove, easily, if he was in LF.
by Bilzo on Nov 3, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it wasn’t a defensive substitution as I understand it so much as Charlie said in the PC that Shane couldn’t grip the ball or a bat…so maybe if Shane wasn’t hurt he makes the defensive sub, but he hasn’t done that much all year has he (after screwing pat most of last year I"m shocked at the number of games he’s finished this year actually)
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by jemagee on Nov 3, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What I want to know is, why put Francisco into CF? I think the best defensive alignment the Phillies could have put together after Victorino came out was Ibanez in LF, Werth in CF and Francisco in RF. Maybe they don’t think Francisco has the arm for RF? (His weak throw to the plate would seem to back that notion up…)
by phatj on Nov 3, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The CFer couldn’t have gotten that ball period, not even if he was Cool Papa Bell.
Ibanez came very close to catching it, hit off the heel of his glove during the dive. Francisco in LF catches that ball. The Phils gained nothing by having Benny in CF. A-Rod still scored on a shallow fly to CF. Maybe Vic couldn’t have thrown him out, being hurt and all, and I’m sure they would’ve tested his arm, but Francisco couldn’t throw him out either. At least Vic could cover ground, as could Francisco. That’s why the proper play would’ve been francisco in LF, Vic in CF, so they could’ve at least caught balls and cut them off in the gap. OF arms are over-rated. The frequency with which they throw people out is very small over the course of a year. Range is far more important.
by Bilzo on Nov 3, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s hindsight though. You have to evaluate the decision based on not knowing which field the balls were going to be hit to, if any.
by taco pal on Nov 3, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the result is hindsight, but the decision to put the OF combo out there was poor.
The 3 outfielders with the best range are Victorino, Francisco, and Werth.
Any of these guys had a better shot at catching that ball off A-Rods bat than did Ibanez.
As it didn’t cost the Phils the game it didn’t matter, but I think that was bad decision.
by Bilzo on Nov 3, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I think we’re conflating two different points here.
First, Charlie’s goal at that stage of the game wasn’t just to put his best defensive OFs out there. Obviously, if that was his only aim, then he made the wrong decision. But it wasn’t – instead, he was trying to balance two aims: 1. to put his best defensive OFs out there and 2. to get Victorino and his injured hand out of the game as soon as he reasonably could. Both were worthy goals and they conflicted with one another, so the question is whether he balanced them appropriately. You can question his priorities, but you can’t just say that he didn’t have his strongest defensive alignment so that proves he messed up, because that wasn’t the only end that he was trying to achieve.
Second, if you accept, for the sake of argument, that it was the right call to take Victorino out at that point in the game, then you can’t fault Charlie for playing Francisco in center rather than left. Obviously, Ibanez wasn’t going to play center, so he had no other choice. More importantly, there was no way to know ahead of time which field the most difficult balls were going to be hit to that inning.
by taco pal on Nov 3, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most important
In the end it didn’t really matter much.
by Cormican on Nov 3, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true….the phils won and that’s what was most important, still didn’t appreciate the angst it caused while watching the game.
I realize I’m being a bit crazy on this one, but still didn’t like it at the time.
by Bilzo on Nov 3, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Mayberry were on the roster instead of Stairs or Bruntlett, you could have subbed both Vic and Raul out for defensive upgrades (Mayberry wouldn’t normally be a D upgrade over Vc, but if he couldn’t throw, Mayberry would be an upgrade).
by Cormican on Nov 3, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Gibson sounds like Joe Morgan
“What’s the big deal?” Gibson said Monday night. "I don’t get it. I don’t think it’s going to kill somebody.
“A pitcher can’t pitch with three days’ rest? Some of those guys make $8 million a week.”
Truly laughable. He’s showing Morgan-esque level ignorance. BTW, no one in all of sport makes “$8 million a week”. Maybe Tiger Woods if you add in endorsements . . . but no one’s salary equals that in all of sport.
Orel Hershiser said it best when he said (I’ll paraphrase) pitching in the major leagues is radically different since 1968, when they lowered the mound. Lowering the mound placed the path of the ball from the pitcher on the same plane as the hitter. This means that since 1968, nearly every pitch has to have maximum intensity. Bob Gibson throwing 150 or more pre ‘68 pitches isn’t the same as Cole Hamels or Cliff Lee throwing 110 at maximum intensity.
by Seanny Rotten on Nov 3, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
plus-
1) the strike-zone was like a mile wide until the early 90s.
2)most hitters sucked then. Teams were filled with slap-hitting guys that choked up on the bat to the trade mark. I always have a good laugh when the MLB network shows those old games. Hey Bob-you could pitch on 2 days rest because you pitched from a high mound, with a huge strike zone against a lot of scrubs.
by Buzzy on Nov 3, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weird…46 becomes 35….almost like 9=8
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by jemagee on Nov 3, 2009 3:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wield the Stark Fist of Bannination.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Nov 3, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Raindrops
Rain predicted from wednesday evening thru friday in NYC.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Nov 3, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tim Brown and Yahoo
They should be ashamed and embarrassed by their shoddy reporting. EIther that, or they have a specific axe to grind against Cole Hamels and the Phillies. Or perhaps they have some sort of vested interest in seeing the Yankees win. Whatever the reason, their reporting of the Cole Hamels/Brett Myers “incident” is an embarrassment to journalism.
Unlike Tim Brown, who reported on something secondhand (from some unnamed witness), Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports and Buster Olney of ESPN, were both actually there when the exchange took place. And both said the exchange was along the lines of a joke. And both considered what happened a complete non-story, completely unworthy of a report.
by The R on Nov 3, 2009 9:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You’d be amazed at the legs this story has among the Cro-Magnon set. On the radio tonight I heard Mitch Williams (Mitch Williams! the last problematic stopper who blew game 6 of the WS) say that if he were Charlie ::shudders:: he wouldn’t pitch Hamels because of what he said. “You just don’t say that stuff,” etc. etc.
But the logic escapes me. Even if I, in my über-positive way, said that I reallyreally wanted the ball, the simple problem remains: I can’t fucking pitch.
by Wet Luzinski on Nov 3, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's go Phillies
pulling for ya in Twins Territory
From the only TRUE North division
by thewild_viking_twins on Nov 3, 2009 11:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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