Larry Bowa comes close to call the Phillies cheaters
by Halos in DE on Nov 3, 2009 1:18 PM EST
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I'm sure you have heard that Larry Bowa said he has heard other teams calling the Phillies cheaters, that they steal signs. I have not seen evidence of this (pictorially), so the glove doesn't fit yet (yes I made a bad OJ pun there). However this is a concern, and I might question my fanhood to the Phillies if this turns out to be true. It is against the spirit of the game (even if it is there historically, even if it was in The Shot Heard 'Round the World). This to me would equate what the Yankees have been doing for years, trying to buy a championship. Not the hard way, like last year for the Phils.
However, it has not been mentioned that the Yankees were constantly going to the mound in the ALCS. I remember that they pulled a 5 minute stall tactic by having the catcher go to the mound, coach, throwing to first, catcher going to mound numerous times to get to Mariano Rivera - before a pitch was thrown. Plus other times trying going to the mound in the same at bat. In Anaheim, there is no center field seats, there is the rock pile, where some media sit. Only seats to left and right of center. Honestly, it was sick, I really hope MLB makes a rule for number of times a catcher or fielder can visit the mound, much like coaches and managers.
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Baseball teams have been stealing signs for eternity. All teams do it. ARod has been accused of peaking at the catcher while he’s at bat (which is considered by player’s a much more grevious offense). Guys on second stealing are a part of the game; and if the catcher isn’t changing up his signals, well, that’s on the team.
The issue here is that the Phillies have been accused for years (I mean over 30 years) of using hidden cameras to steal signs and relay them to the batter. Really? We do that and yet we’re the losingest franchise in the history of professional sports? Does not compute.
As long as there’s nothing electronic being used, there’s nothing wrong with players or base coaches figuring out the signs.
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No, Larry Bowa is completely reliable and has no axe to grind with the Phillies, at all. It’s not like they fired him, then beat his new team in consecutive LCSs.
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Not sure I understand the poll.
Aren’t “No” and “Don’t care” the same thing?
If a team is using technology to steal signs — i.e. the alleged camera in center field that the Mets complained about 2 years ago — then it’s a huge deal. It would make them the Patriots of MLB, and nobody wants that reputation.
But good old-fashioned sign stealing by a guy on 2nd, or a dugout that has deciphered what the 3rd base coach is doing? Nothing wrong with that at all.
The patriots of MLB? You mean consistently winning, being a championship threat?
I’ll take that reputatoin
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by jemagee on Nov 3, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Touche.
Of course, I’m talking about the videotape-your-defensive-signals, disrupt-the-audio-feed-to-your-headsets, videotape-your-pre-Super-Bowl-walkthrough Patriots. You know, the ones that scammed their way to the top of the NFL as much as earned it.
That’s a reputation I’d like to avoid.
2-3 years later no one even remembers- a temporary furor – and it dies down – and really doesn’t hurt the patriots at all.
I knew what you were referring but it’s not like they bring it up every week like the juicers (won’t someone think of the children)
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by jemagee on Nov 3, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
i have no problem with sign stealing as long as it stays on the field, like the guy on 2nd. the problem is electronic (like video camera) or a scope (like sign stealing of old) in cf. what joe mauer was accused of is fine by me, because it was on the field.
yeah i screwed up in the poll, wanted to make a distinction between ‘yeah i know they cheat(if it turns to be true) but it is total legit’ and a “ehh whatever.”
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