Phillies Breakfast Links, November 4, 2009: Old Goats, Smearing Hamels, Silent Chase
by WholeCamels on Nov 4, 2009 7:56 AM EST
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Uh, no. I think very highly of the guy, but... no.
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This situation with the DH is very concerning, given Victorino’s injury. Bruntlett in the lineup for a game 6 would be a disaster. If Victorino really can’t play, the Phillies need to put him on the World Series “DL” and call up someone like Mayberry.
by David S. Cohen on Nov 4, 2009 8:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If Victorino can’t go, then Stairs has to DH. I don’t care that it’s against a lefty; Stairs at least has some ability to see pitches and draw a walk, whereas Bruntlett brings absolutely nothing to the table with the bat.
by PhillyFriar on Nov 4, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What a Morton’s Fork. Stairs against a lefty, or Bruntlett. Uggh. I’d probably start Bruntlett and hope that we can chase Pettitte in the early innings, then put in Stairs assuming the relief pitcher throws right. Not sure what else can be done.
by Boundforbeach on Nov 4, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Dobbs on the playoff roster?
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by jemagee on Nov 4, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure Greg would be too much of an improvement. I also don’t like DL’ing Vic, unless it’s clear he’s out for a week and guaranteed to miss the last 2 games. If Vic is out, I agree with calling up (so to speak) Mayberry, his bat is better than Bruntlett’s and his arm is better than Ben’s.
by Cormican on Nov 4, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shockingly, Bruntlett’s career OPS vs. lefties is roughly equal to Stairs’.
by taco pal on Nov 4, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He also has a higher career walk rate vs. lefties than Stairs (by a sliver). I’m as surprised as anyone.
by taco pal on Nov 4, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I saw that. And career numbers are a pretty good indication because they involve a much larger sample size.
But I can’t get over how bad Bruntlett has looked all year, even against southpaws. I have no faith in his ability to give us good at bats. I guess you can make an argument that starting him in LF and DH’ing Ibanez would give the Phils a bigger overall boost than simply DH’ing Stairs… but on a gut level, that just seems like overthinking it. And I’m not a baseball fan that usually knocks an idea because it’s overthinking.
by PhillyFriar on Nov 4, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At the risk of overthinking further, I’d prefer Stairs-Ibanez because a pitcher still has to respect Stairs’ ability to go yard. Bruntlett has 11 home runs his entire career, and only 2 since 2006. Stairs has 13 seasons where he’s hit more than 11 home runs, including last year.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Nov 4, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I hear you. I think we’re pretty much screwed either way. Let’s just hope Shane can play.
by taco pal on Nov 4, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now watch Bruntlett start and go 4 for 4. Speaking of scripts…
by taco pal on Nov 4, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know how recently this was posted, but “Philadelphia Phillies outfielder Shane Victorino says his hand is fine, despite being hit by a pitch Monday during Game 5, and he expects to play in Game 6 of the World Series against the New York Yankees Wednesday night.”
by taco pal on Nov 4, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzalez is, in my view, the worst human being to inhabit the Philadelphia sports (print) media in my lifetime. He’s worse than Conlin. Conlin’s just a jerk, but his views are at least sincerely held. Gonzalez has made a conscious decision to benefit himself by telling people what they want to hear. His game is to find irrational animuses that reason might overcome, and then feed them by justifying people’s rationalizations instead of affirming the truth.
He apparently wants to be the next Cataldi. Heck, I think he’s even worse than Cataldi. Cataldi’s a cynic but he does it with a wink and a nod. He’s worse than Eskin too. Eskin says horrible things but does it to antagonize his audience, not to lead his audience to wrong other people. Worse than Rhea Hughes too, who is at least stupid enough to believe her own crap. Gonzalez doesn’t care whether it’s true or not, as long as it’s what people want to hear.
by taco pal on Nov 4, 2009 10:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
comments on the Hamels/soft story at the inky
There were, to be fair, many “WTF?” comments directed at Gonzalez. I view this as a ray of hope in Philadelphia fandom.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Nov 4, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, no. I think very highly of the guy, but… no.
Maybe not yet – but some day – when his career is done – who would you put ahead of Utley right now?
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by jemagee on Nov 4, 2009 11:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Career-wise?
Rogers Hornsby, Roberto Alomar (despite his attitude, he was a great player), Eddie Collins. Maybe Sandberg too. I’d say given what Utley’s done, he’s Top Ten all-time for sure. If he continues to produce at a high level for three or four more years, Top Five for sure. I’m not sure he could pass Hornsby or Collins, since both were top-tier players for 20+ years.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Nov 4, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rogers Hornsby, Joe Morgan, and Jackie Robinson spring to mind immediately. Eddie Collins too. The wayback machine would give you Nap Lajoie. And on full career merit, I guess you’d still have to place Utley behind guys who put up numbers, like Jeff Kent, Craig Biggio, etc.
But if Utley can age gracefully, then to be honest, there’s no reason he shouldn’t eventually be in the discussion. He leads all current middle infielders in career OPS+, and that ability comes coupled with fantastic defense. He’ll just need to continue to put up numbers for — even if not at his current peak level — for 6 or 7 years.
by PhillyFriar on Nov 4, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Utley can pass Morgan, but that’s nothing to be ashamed of. Morgan was incredible. Utley’s still great.
by taco pal on Nov 4, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
History is often about perception. People will rank Morgan higher, perhaps because he was on the Big Red Machine and was a star. If the current Phillies remain consistent WS competitors (not necessarily winning it or in it every year, but in the mix) and Utley continues hitting like the last 2 years in the postseason. He may become more highly regarded. Especially if he doesn’t retire and become a douchey broadcaster.
by Cormican on Nov 4, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On the Hamels talk...
Those who post both here and on BGN will recognize the saying “F ‘em, we’re winning anyways”. I really believe that if we can get through tonight, that’s the attitude Cole’s going into tomorrow’s game 7 with. Call it blind faith. Maybe I’m wrong, and he’ll have a 3 IP/6 ER clunker. I dunno. But I think he’ll throw a gem.
by wildcatlh on Nov 4, 2009 11:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If there’s a game 7 – you have cole on a VERY short leash – the first time there’s a mistake by the infield or the ‘half inning’ takes too long you give him one batter – if he doesn’t have it – you pull him immediately – as long as the game flows quickly and there ‘s not ’jarring’ events be it a bad defensive play or a bad call by the ump he seems fine…for whatever reason he seems to fall apart if any of these kind of events happen…so if he goes 3 or he goes 6 in game 7 you just keep a REAL close eye on him and have someone ready as soon as something goes wrong (or half inning goes too long)…
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by jemagee on Nov 4, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
If there’s a Game 7, you have both Blanton and Lee ready to go. And you have Hamels on as short a leash as you can get.
I’m just stating my belief that if there is a Game 7, I really think Hamels will shine.
by wildcatlh on Nov 4, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For Game 7, you have everybody but Pedro ready to go – Clifton Phifer, Cupcakes, Happy…heck, throw Bruntlett in the ‘pen. He can’t be any worse on the mound than he is at the plate :P
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Nov 4, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
John Kruk had a riff during last year’s WS that began “Cole Hamels is from Southern California. You know what else comes from Southern California? Scripts…”
That would be one hell of a script. Struggles, turmoil, bad feelings, controversy – and finally, redemption.
by taco pal on Nov 4, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heck, another great script would be along the lines of Hamels starting, doing well but struggling near the end of his appearance, with Happ (the rookie! – never mind that he’s two years older) coming in relief. Then a clutch hit by Jimmy Rollins (the face guy who’s struggled all year), who gets advanced by Victorino (the comeback kid recovering from injury) and knocked in by Utley McDreamy. Then Lidge (the Golden Boy who fell from grace and is trying to get back) comes in to close, the Phillies win, and triumphant music plays as the Phanatic rides off into the sunset.
I’ll settle for a much more pedestrian victory, by the way. Just sayin’
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Nov 4, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
make sure to give Chan Hoooooo, the once disgraced, disgruntled starter turned semi-lights out reliever a few minutes on screen and i think you’ve covered everything. could you give chris coste a brief cameo in the end credits?
by ajr142 on Nov 4, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure thing to Coste
And a post-credit gag reel that includes Vicente Padilla shooting himself in the leg
(OK, maybe it’s too soon for that joke, but that story’s just bizarre)
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Nov 4, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you can splice the padilla self shooting with plaxico in a night club and maybe even sprinkle in a dick cheney photo.
by ajr142 on Nov 4, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When I saw "shot" and "hunting accident," Cheney actually was the first thing I thought of
The gag reel also needs to start with:
Brett Myers: We’re still here? I thought this movie was over
Cole Hamels: * bleep * you
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Nov 4, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone with better editing skills should find the video of myers and that reporter and splice it with shots of Cole so it looks like he’s yelling at colle
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by jemagee on Nov 4, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh come on
no one with a attitude like THAT is ever going to come through in the clutch
stop dreamin’
by DT1 on Nov 4, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two to go - GO PHILLIES!!!
Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -
by eths on Nov 4, 2009 12:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
David Wells wants the Yankees to cool off Utley’s bat by intimidating him with inside pitching. Either Fernando Vina or Buster Olney said much the same thing on BBTN yesterday. I don’t think that would work though.
by taco pal on Nov 4, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Since he’s better on the inside half of the plate than the outside half of the plate it probably wouldn’t work – but since it seemed to work on A-Rod – ipso facto they think it would work on Utley?
Unless of course they mean throw AT HIM and try and get him not to stand so close to the plate…Does Utley seem like the kind of guy intimidated to back up off the plate by a few inside pitches from andy petite?
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by jemagee on Nov 4, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As near as I can tell, Utley’s reaction to inside pitches varies between:
for ones that don’t hit him: “MINE!”
for ones that do hit him: “hey, cool, free base.”
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Nov 4, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They do mean throw at him. Or at least very close to him. The point wouldn’t be to move him further off the plate so much as to make him antsy and get him out of his “zone”. The problem is that Utley, throughout his career, has shown no fear of getting hit by the ball. If you’re crazy enough to consistently let pitches nail you without flinching, then you’re probably incapable of being made antsy.
Eduardo Perez, of all people, pointed this out after the suggestion was made on BBTN, but Vina and/or Olney remained stubborn. (Perez made up for his brief moment of clarify by saying some other stupid stuff during the rest of the show.)
by taco pal on Nov 4, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Short of throwing at Chase’s head, HBPs don’t seem to bother him in the least. I’ve never seen a player so consistently shrug off being hit.
by Cormican on Nov 4, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand, he’s never been hit by a Yankees pitch. The mystique and aura will make him flinch for the first time ever.
by taco pal on Nov 4, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I realize that was a joke, but he’s actually been hit twice by Yankees pitches in six regular-season games against them. No other team hits him more often (Cleveland’s had one in three games).
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Nov 4, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It makes sense, but I doubt it would work. He’ll just get hit and end up on first. Same as an intentional walk. Which they definitely don’t want to do. Despite his slump, Howard is still providing protection.
by The R on Nov 4, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Valuable contribution of the day from Pinstripe Alley here. Or maybe here.
What an absurdly bad website. Completely devoid of analysis or insight of any kind. It’s just 100% cheerleading and posturing. The first SBN blog I’ve seen that adds nothing of value to the discourse.
by taco pal on Nov 4, 2009 1:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But the comments in the Hammels-Myers spat post call BS on the post, as well. So that’s a redeeming quality.
by Cormican on Nov 4, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if the comments are from ‘regulars’ at PA and not phillies fans pointing out the silliness ?
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by jemagee on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I’ve noticed over the last week, they’re regulars.
by Cormican on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a question – not a shot at anyone but I see it a lot – why is Hamels so difficult to spell? I see Hammels in a lot of different places…
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by jemagee on Nov 4, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don’t know. I always mis-spell Pettite too.
by Cormican on Nov 4, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OH that I get, too many damn t’s in his last name – I mean I spell Wades first name wrong cause he has letters in the ‘wrong’ place but never got the ‘double’ m in hamels – I just wondered :)
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by jemagee on Nov 4, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To me it’s similar. No matter how I spell Cole’s last name it looks wrong, same with Andy.
by Cormican on Nov 4, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, that I get, there are just words when I spell them, even though my spell check says it’s correct I just look at it and go that shouldn’t be right :) Thanks
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by jemagee on Nov 4, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think “Hamels” looks to some like it would be pronounced with a long “a” as in hey-mulls.
by taco pal on Nov 4, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s alright — the Sunday Boston Globe headline had the Yankees battering “Hamel” to take the 2-1 series lead. And one wonders why the newspaper business is scuffling.
by PhillyFriar on Nov 4, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Virus in the bullpen?
I don’t see any mention of it in today’s stories (Rich Hofmann even covered the bullpens as an issue) but I believe I heard Mitch Williams on MLBTV network last night saying that he had heard that a number of Phillies relievers were not available in game 5 due to a “virus” and that the Phillies brass had kept it very hush-hush for fear of letting the Yankees know how limited Manuel’s options were. I only heard the tail end of Williams comments, so I’m not sure if he named any names originally, like maybe Lidge or Eyre. Anybody else hear anything along those lines?
by phillyinportland on Nov 4, 2009 4:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love that picture of Park
He looks like a movie-style secret agent
“Secret Agent Chan, Secret Agent Chan…” 
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
by HappyHuman on Nov 4, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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