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The End: Yankees 7, Phillies 3

A wild seven-month ride came to a dispiriting conclusion in the Bronx Wednesday night as the Phillies fell to the New York Yankees by a 7-3 score, falling in the World Series by four games to two.  

If they had to go down, this wasn't the way you'd draw it up: done in by myriad self-inflicted wounds including a subpar Pedro Martinez start, bad at-bats against a less than overpowering Andy Pettitte, the painfully baffling move to bring in Chad Durbin with the game still within reach at 4-1 in the fifth inning, and a near-total inability to retireHideki Matsui, who celebrated his return to the lineup with the DH back in play by driving in six runs in his first three at-bats. Matsui started the scoring with a two-run homer in the second inning off Pedro, who battled as always but just didn't have his good stuff in his last and biggest start of the season. After the Phils got one run back in the top of the third on a Carlos Ruiz triple and Jimmy Rollins sac fly, Matsui drove in two more in the bottom of the inning with a bases-loaded single to put the Yankees ahead 4-1.

The game took on an air of inevitability after Charlie Manuel, in his last and arguably worst questionable move of the Series, brought in Durbin to start the fifth. Derek Jeter started the inning with a ground rule double, and after Jerry Hairston Jr. moved him to third, came around to score on a Mark Teixeira single. After walking Alex Rodriguez, Durbin gave way to J.A. Happ, who surrendered a two-run double to Matsui that made it 7-1.

The Phils did chase Pettitte a half-inning later, as Chase Utley worked a one-out walk and Ryan Howard hit his first home run of the Series, a two-run shot that barely cleared the wall in left. Two batters later, Raul Ibanez doubled with two outs, and Pettitte left in favor of Joba Chamberlain, who retired Pedro Feliz to end the inning. In the seventh, the Phils had their last real shot: Ruiz, who turned in another great game, singled with one out. He was forced at second by Jimmy Rollins, but Shane Victorino walked to bring up Chase Utley. Joe Girardi called on Damaso Marte, who struck out Utley on three pitches to retire the side. 

After Marte started the eighth by striking out Howard--the record-setting 13th K of the Series for the Phils slugger--Mariano Rivera came in, as everyone knew he would. He struck out Jayson Werth, but allowed another double to Ibanez before Feliz once again ended the inning. In the ninth, Ruiz tried to spark one last rally, walking with one out. Rollins followed with a long flyout to the track in right field. Victorino came up as the Phillies' last hope and kept it alive through one last long at-bat, working the count full after fouling off a bunch of tough pitches before grounding to Robinson Cano for the final out.  

Congrats to the Yankees, 2009 world champions--and to the Phillies, who won 102 games and a second straight National League title.  The disappointment will fade, but the good memories this team gave us should endure.

 

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Congrats to both teams on a great year

A pennant is nothing to sneeze at. The Phillies are a great team and will be contenders for a long time.

by YankeesRock on Nov 5, 2009 12:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Can’t wait for next year. Just imagine us having an actually 3rd baseman and Cole coming back to his normal self.

by phillyphan9208 on Nov 5, 2009 12:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

4 times

Feliz came to bat with a man on 2nd and 2 outs and promptly ended the inning.

I can’t wait until he’s gone.

by Screen Name 20 on Nov 5, 2009 7:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he should seriously be moved to the AL so he can be DH’ed for.

If Lidge hadn’t given up runs in Game 4, there would be happier memories of Feliz.

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not that it means anything, but I think the Phillies beat the Yankees if we played 7 straight games with no days off.

For Who? My teammates.

For What? To Win.

How Much? Where do I sign?

by jonk on Nov 5, 2009 12:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe. They basically did win with contributions from about 14 players, but their best 14 or so outplayed our best 14 or so.

OTOH, the Phils had a good quarter of the WS roster from which they got totally nothing: Dobbs and Bastardo didn’t even get into a game (nor did Bako, but that’s okay), Myers and Bruntlett contributed nothing, Durbin and Stairs were negative contributors. In that we had four viable starters and they had three, okay, but the Phils didn’t make them pay for the lack of depth.

by dajafi on Nov 5, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rollins, Howard, Feliz, Francisco, and Victorino were essentially non-contributors as well.

The Phils offense was centered around Utley, Ruiz, Werth, and once in a while Ibanez.

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not like it would have mattered because of all the bloop hits…..

by phillyphan9208 on Nov 5, 2009 12:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a weird feeling, being on top of the world for more than a year and finally being knocked off…but it’s a feeling I am happy I got to experience.

by FuquaManuel on Nov 5, 2009 12:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

seriously?

Are you really gonna question bringing chad durbin in? Come on, it was obvious pedro was done, and the top of the order was up, who else would you bring in in that situation? That was certainly not what lost the phillies this game. Also, anyone else feel that the strike zone expanded quite a bit in the 7th against our lefties starting with chase utley? That really frustrated me, as the umpire was not calling that outside pitch all night against our lefties, it really left chase utley in a bind during that at bat. Oh well, this team is good enough to get there next year, the yankees are a great team and they spent their money and got their championship. I am still very proud of the Phillies.

by PhilsForever on Nov 5, 2009 12:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Pedro was done. But you bring in anybody but Durbin, who had already shown himself to be ineffective against the Yankees. It was a win-or-die game. Bring in Park and hope he can go two innings. Madson. Happ, Blanton, who supposedly was available for 1-2 innings.

There was just no way Chad Durbin, with mediocre stuff and sub-mediocre command of it, was getting three outs against the top of the best lineup in baseball before allowing a run.

by dajafi on Nov 5, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

I think you guys are discounting durbin too much, he has been much better in the postseason, his stuff had been far from mediocre, when did he show he was ineffective against the yankees? He only gave up one run and that pitch to texeira was a good pitch, plus it did not cost us the game, pedro’s location to matsui to make it 4-1 cost us the game, Manuel’s decision was fine.

by PhilsForever on Nov 5, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They saw him in Game 3 and scored an add-on run against him only slightly less killer than the three he allowed tonight.

More to the point, he walked almost a guy an inning this year, and that was against everybody. Durbin only succeeds when he can get hitters to chase his crap. There was no way Jeter, Tex, A-Roid et al were going to do that—as Manuel should have known.

by dajafi on Nov 5, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Nov 5, 2009 12:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I am weeping, like some… grandmother.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Nov 5, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and as for the bench

DROP THE BOMB

EXTERMINATE THEM ALL

by Wet Luzinski on Nov 5, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

big difference between this year and last.

2008 Dobbs and Stairs vs 2009 Dobbs and Stairs

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This teams deserves Harry Kalas singing High Hopes

for reaching so far, and going so far in memory of Harry the K.

My name is Finlay, and I love to fight!

by Finlay on Nov 5, 2009 12:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Trust me, it sucks a lot more right now being a Phillies fan living in Japan. It sucks to have Yankees fans rubbing it in your face, but to have Japanese people who only cheered for the Yankees because of Matsui rubbing it in your face….

Still, of all the bad things that could have, or did happen to this team, there are so many more good things that did happen.
I am proud of the Phillies.

by jefu on Nov 5, 2009 12:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

As one of the recent game recaps here said recently, “This is as good as it’s ever been.”

That’s still true. We’ll be back for more next year. It was a great season, despite all the ups and downs, and I’m proud to be a Phillies fan.

Broad Street Hockey - SB Nation's Philadelphia Flyers Blog. Makin' it look mean since 1967.

by Travis Hughes on Nov 5, 2009 12:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Manuel

The man reads poetry out loud, man

by Wet Luzinski on Nov 5, 2009 12:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Every year is the same
And I feel it again,
I’m a loser – no chance to win.
Leaves start falling,
Come down is calling,
Loneliness starts sinking in.

But I’m one.
I am one.
And I can see
That this is me,
And I will be,
You’ll all see
I’m the one.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Nov 5, 2009 12:47 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Quadrophenia

is probably my favorite album of all time.

by RoboticParadox on Nov 5, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that strike zone

Any comments on the 7th inning and on expansion of the strike zone for joe west against our lefties?

by PhilsForever on Nov 5, 2009 12:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

West is an egomaniacal asshole who, at least once or twice in any game of significance when he umps, decides to “announce his presence with authority.” He screwed us there in the 7th for sure, but he also rung up A-Roid on a pitch six inches off the plate and made various other calls that even I thought were wildly favorable to the Phils.

by dajafi on Nov 5, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

West's zone

was all over the map all game. If in the effort to be consistent he thought it’d be ok if he was blatantly random for both teams, then he did a great job. Sometimes it seemed the zone was the size of a shoebox, other times it ballooned to goodyear blimp proportions. Again the only consolation was that these inconsistencies were for both teams.

BTW don’t ever EVER trust Fox Trax. That crap is the worst, most inaccurate invention ever. Remember: Pitched inside to a Lefty look closer to the plate than they are; inside to a rightie look farther off the plate than they are.

by elyankee on Nov 5, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Third base umpire - Brian Gorman?

I thought Gorman’s call on Utley was the big one that inning. On replays it sure looked like the bat didn’t fully cross the plate. I think I liked the old ways better – from some of the replays of older World Series games – where the strike wasn’t called unless the batter actually “broke his wrists.” A checked swing where the bat comes back with no possibility of hitting the ball shouldn’t be a strike, but I guess that’s not the way base umpires call it these days.

by phillyinportland on Nov 5, 2009 3:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t think the umpiring was bad at all.

Utley’s AB was close enough to call. If he’d had a big NY on his hat, I’d have been fine with ringing him up. West’s K zone was typical, but not grotesque. In the first or second frame I remember him giving Pettitte a pitch 6" off the plate (ala game 6 of ALCS) and I was petrified. Pettitte then tried to push the ball even further off the plate, and even came back to the same spot, and West would’nt give him any more, so I was relieved.

Umpiring had absolutely no bearing on last night’s game. They did a fine job.

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Saw it from a perfect spot

If my seats were good for anything it was seeing when left handed batters swung and Utley did not swing on that. At that point the umps were bagging it and just wanted the night over and to let the $220 million party begin.

Zero class in the stadium last night but what do you expect from NY’ers.

by boknows71 on Nov 5, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the replay showed his bat snapping even to around the 90 degree mark.
It could’ve gone either way.

Fault Utley for swinging at a bad pitch and giving the umpire a reasonable chance to ring him up.

I’m all for blaming the umpiring when it’s bad, and in all fairness, this series was very well umpired. Sure there were a few questionable ball/strikes, but there always are.
The A-Rod homer WAS a homer, they got it right.

Umps had zilch to do with the outcome of this series.

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't say it did

But I disagree with your thought on the home run call.

At least we fans now know what its like to be Tony Tarasco and it sucks.

by boknows71 on Nov 5, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what do you disagree about on the homer call?
The ball hit a camera lens that was above the HR line and then bounced into the field. That was a no brainer.

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

above the HR line

That would be the exact thing I disagree with you. Ball was heading straight down (well not straight but it had lost its sail) and hit the bottom of the lens that was hanging down since there no one holding it up.

If it was over the fence then why did they move it?

by boknows71 on Nov 5, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is right. The camera clearly extended over the fence. It’s possible that the ball would have remained in play had the camera not been there.

by taco pal on Nov 5, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

seriously guys…..you could look from the sideways view and see that the path of the ball was going to carry it over the fence.

That’s why it took the umps all of about 30 seconds to call it once they reviewed it.

I don’t like A-Rod either, and I wish the Phillies had won a game, but they were nowhere near getting screwed on that reversal. To think otherwise is nothing more than sour grapes or disillusionment.

Had Howard hit that ball and they called it a double after review, you’d be irked as hell.

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They took 30 seconds because they decided to employ an ad hoc ground rule under which they would presume that anything hitting the camera would be deemed a home run.

by taco pal on Nov 5, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

STOP

Nothing is worse than people putting words in your mouth or off of your finger tips. Never did I say any one call caused any type of win or loss in a game or the series.

I would have been fine with your scenario. Howard would have been on 2nd and Werth able to drive him in. Plus that might have been the jump start Big Ry needed.

by boknows71 on Nov 5, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

bo-
I haven’t accused you of saying that (umps cost Phils the series). I’m sorry if you inferred it. I was just making the statement the umpiring wasn’t to blame for the loss, and I saw nothing egregiously wrong by umps.

I gave an example of two close calls (utley’s check swing K and A-Rods homer off the camera), and then you two became a bit silly disagreeing and saying that it should’ve been a double.

Yeah in you’re scenario it wouldn’t have mattered (assuming Werth woul’ve driven him in, which is a HUGE assumption), but if Howard hits that and Werth fans leaving him at second, we’d all be screaming about what a mistake that was by the umps and how it cost the Phils a run.

Now I’m jumping in with the silliness by disputing ‘what ifs’ with second order ‘what if thens’.

That ball was a homer, and the umps got it right. Get over it.

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I did see the sideways view

I thought it was inconclusive. Had it been Howard who hit it, I would have been OK with the initial call of a double being upheld through lack of conclusive evidence otherwise.

by phatj on Nov 5, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well….guess I’ll disagree on how we saw it. Won’t be the first time, won’t be the last.

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“At that point the umps were bagging it and just wanted the night over and to let the $220 million party begin”

and here you are putting thoughts in the heads of the umps…..

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great season.

Not the way we drew up this Series, but hell, if you’d told me 13 months ago that I’d be disappointed that my Phillies would fail to go back-to-back, I’d have said you were nuts.

Flags fly forever… and I’ve still got “High Hopes” for next year!

by PhillyFriar on Nov 5, 2009 12:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I Totally Agree

I had a lot of fun watching those games, and even though we came up short in the WS, I like the team, the front office, and the manager did an exceptional job. They should be proud of themselves and find that fire that will get them back to the WS again next year.

My Year in Review
- Great watching Werth come into his own as a player throughout the year. He really has all the tools to be a force in baseball for years to come.
- If I had 50% of the work ethic and dedication in my job that Chase Utley has in his.. I would be a CEO somewhere. (I don’t, but thats another blog :oP ) The guy is just awesome and I hope he never wears anything but a Phillies uniform.
- I loved the Slimmed down Ryan Howard. His defense improved dramatically. If he can learn to stay off that slider away… Hall of Fame.
- Carlos Ruiz once again amazed me in the playoffs. Honestly moving into one of the best catchers in the NL.
- Jimmy Rollins. Defensively = A. Offensively = D+. We don’t need a power hitter in the leadoff spot, and, in my opinion, that should be looked at in the off season. Way to many pop ups for a guy with his speed.
- Shane Vic… all around very good year.. and I think should move up one in the batting order.
- Raul. Came out of the gate like a Firecracker… tappered off, but I think he has several good year left in him and I think he is a good person in the club house as well.

Off the bench… probably a decent changes needed, a few of them had rather bad years.

Don’t have enough in me right now to discuss pitching, but I am sure there will be enough post later for me to chime in on.

Enjoyed reading this blog throughout the year as well. Phillies fans are nothing if not passionate about their teams!

Thanks Phillies. Cya in April!

by LAPhillyPhan on Nov 5, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does Carlos Ruiz ever smile?

That man is a robot. A cold-blooded assassin. And now that you mention I was rather impressed by Howard’s D. Didn’t expect that from him.

by elyankee on Nov 5, 2009 1:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s been better all year – as long as he doesn’t have to throw from second his defense was greatly improved this year.

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Nov 5, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Vic. Vs. Rollins

Vic. was more consistent than Rollins but is still as impulsive and doesn’t always take the headiest ABs. I hope the management watched how the Jeter/Damon tandem worked and remedies it either with an aquistion or better coaching. I know Manuel has his approach and it has yielded great results but it can also be to passive. Maybe telling Rollins and Vic. not to swing for the fences once in awhile would be a start. I see no reason either one couldn’t be made into a contact hitter.

by j reed on Nov 5, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Aside from his occasional stupid aggressiveness at the plate, I’ve got no problems with Vic’s approach. He is a contact hitter who pops one once in a while when he makes solid contact. Vic’s homers are rarely towering flies, they’re usually liners that clear the wall.

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sinking in

after I decided to post something “classy” at PA, something just connected with my inner 10-year-old, my moniker, and once again, it’s a rainy night in late October, I am watching the TV, and I see puddles on the left field warning track and a sullen, sodden left fielder. And I felt horribly, deeply sad.

It was a wonderful ride. But bah, I hate this.

by Wet Luzinski on Nov 5, 2009 12:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I feel your pain. Just remember that three years later Mr. Luzinski and his Phillies teammates were champions, and after losing to the Dodgers again in the LCS the next year we have now beaten them three times to go to the World Series.

by phillyinportland on Nov 5, 2009 3:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

very very +. Thanks

by Wet Luzinski on Nov 5, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i was kind in victory to the rockies and dodgers. I just don’t like Yankee fan, and can’t be gracious to them.

I respect the team, and aside from some respectful hatred of Damon for his peskiness, dislike of A-Rod for his fakeness, and dislike of Posada (which is new) b/c of his repeated game stalling, they’re not arrogant like the Mets.

I’ve never really watched Mariano Rivera that much, but the guy is good AND classy. Not once did he even let a smile after mowing down Philly batters.

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for trolling

Living in Central Jersey, the constant banter with Phils’ fans and this World Series made me realize just how good your team is. I don’t expect this comment to assuage the loss, but you guys a have a great YOUNG team, and I would LOVE to see this as the first series-face-off-repeat since 77-78. Considering the fact that your division is no joke, as good as the “vaunted” AL East, to have won three straight titles there is big.

Good series all around. Utley scares the crap out of me, and if Werth ever stopped dying his tips then maybe he’d scare the crap out of me too.

See you guys next year?

by elyankee on Nov 5, 2009 1:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

fine by me. Congrats. Same time next year, different result.

by Wet Luzinski on Nov 5, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and maybe the NL All-Stars can show up and give the Phils homefield advantage!

by pjnc2003 on Nov 5, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The phillies had homefield advantage after game one – and if the offense shows up in game 2 it’s a 2-0 lead.

The All star outcome means nothing – stop pretending it does

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Nov 5, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Props to Chan Ho for a well pitched series.

by Wawa on Nov 5, 2009 1:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I lived in Korea for a year...

the man is a god there. My friend had a framed photo of him TaeKwonDo kicking that guy in the face.

by elyankee on Nov 5, 2009 1:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure they love him

but I had never seen anything about him. They do love their baseball (won the 08’ gold medal at the olympics).

I got razz on and chat with Jose Lima while I was there, as I was the only fan in the country who knew spanish.

by elyankee on Nov 5, 2009 1:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine this scenario

Spring training plunk-athon retaliation for phillies pitchers daring to challenge the Yankees inside. Park is on the mound and returns fire and nails Arod. ARod the centaur that he is charges the mound and Park launches a round house to his head. ARod falls to the ground out cold. Spinning back kick to the gut with cleats on …..

by j reed on Nov 5, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks from a Yankees fan for a hard fought series

You guys are a great team and I expect to see you guys next year in the World Series
In the great words of Mariano Rivera,
“We fought hard, I have to give a lot of credit to the team of Philly. They fight hard, to the end. They were worthy champions. They were. We are the champions now”
PEACE

by dahhnold on Nov 5, 2009 1:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bullshit game if you ask me...

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 1:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

because…..?

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

extreme prejudice

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Nov 5, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he’s instructed to kill, and yet his commanders do not allow him to write “fuck” on his airplane because it’s obscene.

by Wet Luzinski on Nov 5, 2009 1:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry guys

I was pulling for you, as was most of Purple Row.

Hope got in my eyes

by Andrew Martin on Nov 5, 2009 1:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

O Purple Row, it is your team I fear the most.

by Wet Luzinski on Nov 5, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed – the Rockies are like roaches, and I actually mean that in a complimentary way – you keep trying to stomp on them, but they just…won’t…die!

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Nov 5, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I live in NYC

For the past seven years and always thought it would be fun to see a Yankees title when i lived here but never did I imagine it would be the phils they would be beating. I moved here in 2002 and had little hope for the phils. I went to game 1 and will remember it forever. As for the series, winning it takes a great team and a lot of breaks and in my opoinion the yanks got a lot more of them. Just think about all the hard outs for the phils. But in the end the phils were left starting Pedro twice because hammels was so mediocre, the yanks pitched Howard extrermely well and the dh was huge. I’ve always wondered why the talking heads never talk about that? It’s a huge edge for al teams in the ws. Just think if the phils could add a 30 home run hitter to their lineup in place of the pitcher? And just think if the phils went out this offseason and signed a no 1 starter, no 2 starter and a power hitting third baseman? I’d like to see that team take on the yanks. And a final note. I live in manhattan and it’s been quiet. Yankees fans are lame or spoiled. Not sure. It really doesn’t feel like a ws was won tonight. Here’s to great season and a great blog. And here’s to adding a no 2 caliber starter and a better bench. Go eagles!

by phillynyc on Nov 5, 2009 1:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Manhattan

is not a sports section of the town. It’s hardly a residential section of town. Go out to Brooklyn, or the Bronx, or even as close as Spanish Harlem. Don’t judge us by our stock broker neighbors from out of town..

by elyankee on Nov 5, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the Yankees have always been Wall Street's team

It’s hard not to judge you by your stock broker neighbors when your organization smacks of Wall Street.. Let’s face it you tore down a historical monument to build a replica of it. How Donald Trump of the Yankees and in the cultural mecca of the country. Tacky, Atlantic City tacky. Sorry you can’t have the best that money can’t buy and expect school of hard knocks props. 27 rings should ease that, or isn’t that enough. Brooklyn is the back office of Manhattan. Not much manufacturing anymore, the arts section in DUMBO….that means more trust fund babies from Boise….Everytime I come to New York , it looks less and less like New York.

by j reed on Nov 5, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Nov 5, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great run guys

And I am not saying it’s over. It would be a pleasure, and I have to admit a bit scary seeing you guys again next year.

by Togaman7 on Nov 5, 2009 1:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hope the Yanks are back next year

Because I know the Phils will be

by fleeb on Nov 5, 2009 2:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yanks nah...

Angels vs Philly next year :)

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Nov 5, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Four Amigos

That’s what the write-up called Rivera, Jeter, Posada, and Pettitte. Four Amigos. Five rings, 1996-2009.
That got me thinking what we would have if the Phillies cornerstones who came up through the minors stayed in Philly and managed another title or two and were still here and winning another title in 2021. Our guys would be: Ruiz, Rollins, and Utley, too old to be regulars at age 42; Howard, at 41; and Hamels, at age 37. Throw in Ryan Madson (41) or JA Happ (39). That’s what they would be 13 years after the 2008 title. However, if you shortened the timeline to five years sooner, 2016, then you might be able to find four Phillies from the current team could still be regulars or at least valuable bench players: Utley, for sure, Madson and Hamels I could see, and any one of the others could still be around in another seven years. The fact that the Yankees four five-ring winners were all key figures 13 years after playing is truly remarkable.

by phillyinportland on Nov 5, 2009 3:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Posada

Something made me wonder about how much Jorge Posada had actually played in 1996, so I checked the record and he actually did not appear in any postseason games for the Yankees in 1996. He may have been on the roster, but it looks like he only played 8 regular season games that year. Also, it appears he didn’t get the majority of the postseason playing time for good until 2000. But anyway, he’s an amigo in New York.

by phillyinportland on Nov 5, 2009 3:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he did pinch run in the ALDS in 1995

scored a run, too. It was also A-Rod’s postseason debut (with the Mariners), as he did the exact same thing.

by sarcastro9 on Nov 5, 2009 4:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They've got their rings....

now could they do us all a favor and retire on top? Please?

by NowWhat? on Nov 5, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if I may do some friendly trolling here

Though I bleed Dodger Blue, you guys have a tremendous team in Philadelphia. Most of all, I love the way it’s run, with a core group that management has allowed to grow, while not being afraid of adding a significant new face or two every season. That’s the way it SHOULD be done. I can only hope that the Dodgers take a cue from you guys (though I’m not too optimistic with the ownership we have, but nevertheless…), and not follow the lead of the Indians, Padres, and Mariners of earlier this decade. As far as the Phillies go, the season can only be viewed as a disappointment relative to the insanely high point where you guys started out from.

I’ll look forward to many October battles in the years to come- so long as the front office doesn’t eff things up- and more short term, seeing Citizens Bank Park next August!

by sarcastro9 on Nov 5, 2009 3:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

friendly trolling = oxymoron.

If you’re not taunting, you’re just being friendly.

Thanks for the words. Good luck next year.

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 8:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I standby with what I said earlier

“This one is over…sign, sealed delivered.”

“I’ll take a one-eyed. one-legged, Pettitte with only a pinky, index finger, and a thumb over Pedro anyday. "

Take a look on the bright side, I’m sure HK is proud.

by Off The Hook on Nov 5, 2009 5:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great series...

From a Yankee fan, the Phillies are a great, great team, and I would be stunned not to see the Phillies back in the WS next year. If it makes anyone feel any better, I was freaking out at the thought of seeing Utley on deck in the ninth, even with a 4 run lead and Mo on the mound. He’s that good. If Matsui didn’t get the 6 RBI and the MVP, I would argue that Utley get the MVP regardless of who won.

Good luck next year on getting your 4th straight division title.

by coops2001 on Nov 5, 2009 6:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

sigh

Well…
It’s been a great run. Baseball season is now over. First UNC basketball game is Monday night, so my seasons shall just bleed one into the other.

Great run by the Phils.

I know it’s an annoying usage of the multiple end points comparison, but…

Over the past two MLB seasons, only one team has gone to the World Series twice, and one it once. No other team can claim that. Go Phils!

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 9:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great season by all

Still was a great season, two time NL champions, 3 time NL East Champions, I would love for this to continue like a Braves legacy with these division titles. There are only a few areas to address here with this team though.

1) 3B – Feliz needs to go, I feel like its only a matter of time before we put out for Beltre, he has a great glove as well.

2) Closer – This one will be interesting, they can’t move Lidge but they can start to develop Madson more. Maybe bring in a former closer on staff in spring training to help him with his psyche.

3) Bullpen – This rely’s on health. Chan Ho needs to be back, Durbin needs to go. They need to bring in a lefty as well, as well as someone who can hit over 95 thats not Madson, maybe Betancourt.

4) Bench – The market is really weak this offseason but they need to get that bench shaped up, preferably a setup kind of like the Dogders had, minus the Thome salary.

I have some feeling though we might not see that outfield the same next year, something just tells me it might be different but I don’t see how it will be possible. The key is going to be money. Phillies management has shown that they will put the cash out to be the big spenders in the NL, especially with the pay Howard is going to be due in the long term (looking at 18M a year). The other key is 30, though in baseball is young, its not young enough to wait for the farm, especially with the outfield (eventually they won’t be able to keep both Victorino and Werth, mostlikely after next year), and the infield with dipstick Jimmy.

by Ant on Nov 5, 2009 9:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure who they move. The offense should be able to cover Feliz, he was just exploited this World Series.

The core of this group is good enough to get back to the playoffs, and then in all fairness, it becomes a bit of a crap shoot.

Last year, if the Red Sox beat the Rays, the Phillies are less likely to have won the World Series then too. Don’t go jumping off the cliff just yet. This team is very good as is.

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AL rules are bush league

Don’t forget one thing, had the National League won the All Star game, Phils would’ve had home field advantage. That’s the main reason they lost. There’s no way any of the Yanker’s pitchers would’ve gotten six RBIs. Matsui wouldn’t have even played a game 6 in Philly. Maybe pinch hit – once. Yanker’s pitchers would’ve had to bat in games 1, 2, 6 and 7 if it went that far. The NL is a real league where all the players who take the field have to actually bat or be pinch hit for. Tougher strategy, tougher league. Any time AL team wins a game because of DH rule, and that game clinches the series, its a tainted win. It’s inferior baseball. And the Yankers and their fans know it.

by Bwilderd on Nov 5, 2009 9:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, the series MVP would not even make an NL roster

‘cept maybe as a pinch hitter, a la Stairs. You can call Matsui a hitter, just don’t call him a baseball player. But, the rules are what they are and you can’t blame the Yankees for having a great DH. Pitching was the major difference anyway.

"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Shula

by Bo Diddle on Nov 5, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Call him a ball player.

he played a great left field before his knees gave out on him. Call him an old ball-player. But this ain’t David Ortiz we’re talking about, Matsui’s Defense while up to 2007 was much better than average.

by elyankee on Nov 5, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he was a good OF

Perhaps I should have put the words “any more” in there. I guess one could say that about the DH in any game…if you’re DHing, you’re not playing baseball. My opinion. The 2 best teams were in the Series. That Yanks won. So be it. I’m just disappointed the DH “position” was instrumental in the outcome.

"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." - Don Shula

by Bo Diddle on Nov 5, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ummm….I’m gonna give Godzilla credit for his hitting. He could play first base or LF for an NL team so as to get his bat in the lineup. Adam Dunn’s a pretty bad fielder, as was Howard last year, and both made NL teams.

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Takes alot of strategy

to load the bases and then go to the shitter because your pitcher hits?Gotta love the guy who has a million excuses,anybody else think thats why our country is in the pot.Excuses for why I didnt pay my bills,go to work,the yankees win,forclosed on my home,all goes hand in hand.

by cashman bashman on Nov 5, 2009 10:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No, our country is in the pot

b/c we use incorrect spacing after punctuation.

by Screen Name 20 on Nov 5, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ladies and Gentlemen,

We have the grand prize award here for someone who not only manages to be a baseball-related troll, but tries to start a political flame war at the same time. I do have to admit, it takes a lot of talent to double troll.

by wildcatlh on Nov 5, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From a lifelong Yankees fan

I just wanted to take a moment to congratulate the Phillies on a great season and for being fabulous and classy defending champions. I live here in Central Pennsylvania now and I am of course bombarded with Phillies fans all around me, but I could never get myself to “hate” this team. In fact, I kind of like them (even J-Roll), and they remind me a lot of these Yankees in many way. Hold your heads high because you have a great team and I have a feeling we might see each other again…

by Sixstring59 on Nov 5, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the complement but the relation with the Yankees and Phils being the same? I can’t except that.

by Ant on Nov 5, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

except what?

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Nov 5, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Remarkable

If we consider the following, it’s kind of amazing that we made it as far as we did:

  • Hamels was a shell of his former self, especially in the postseason.
  • Two key guys who helped us to win the whole shebang last year – Moyer and Romero – were unavailable.
  • Other pieces of last year’s championship puzzle – namely, Myers, Stairs, and Dobbs – were practically useless this time around.
  • Lidge had a horrible year but somehow managed to keep it together, at least until we got to the World Series.

Everything seems rosy when we think about 2008 now, but if memory serves we weren’t exactly hitting lights out against Tampa Bay (except during Game 4). During the other games, we scored just enough to win, and our team pitching did the rest.

I think it was Phil Sheridan who wrote that the Phils realistically could not expect to win with one solid pitcher (Lee) and one solid hitter (Utley). Still, they were only two wins away from doing just that.

Congratulations to the Phillies for a wonderful season. Thanks to Charlie for keeping the guys loose, but still bringing down the hammer when needed. Thanks to Ruben for keeping the team competitive. And thanks to the players for getting over their championship hangover fairly quickly and getting right back to the World Series. We just ran out of steam against a better team.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Nov 5, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Braves fan here

I think Pedro was actually pretty decent last night. He just got killed by one man. He wasn’t dominant but he got the job done, … if not for Godzilla Pedro was good.

by nathan rothschild on Nov 5, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Actually he got killed cause his manager left him in there WAY too long….that’s what got him killed.

Well that and being sick

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Nov 5, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dubee killed Pedro

Did Dubee forget to bring the radar gun to Pedro’s bull pen session? Can’t this ass read his pitcher?. I thought the adrenaline would get his FB up to 90 but 83 -85 mph is the speed that it should be when it gets to the plate…not when it leaves his hand. His fastball was so flat. I can’t believe that they weren’t warning signs after his last start given how many miles were on that arm. The guy is also horrible consel for Manuel who we all know doesn’t know pitching….what kind pitching coach let’s their closer throw 4 days is a row (this was late August, regular season). Hamels had 4 days at least, but that might be asking for too much. Not that I think he deserved to pitch but I think we could have faired a bit better. Beside what better way for him to show his dedication by going on 4 days…

by j reed on Nov 5, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And yet many pitchers have improved after coming to Philadelphia during Dubee’s tenure. Go figure.

by taco pal on Nov 5, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My worry of course last night was pedros old (baseball years) body being tired on normal rest because of the ‘extended’ rest between his other two playoff starts…i thought pedro was in the game too long – but agian – the bullpen didn’t exactly shut them down and the offense only put up a 3 spot…yeah pedro was bad but i don’t think ‘good’ pedro wins that game either

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Nov 5, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fastball had minimal life, and while Matsui was able to do damage, it’s not like he was hitting a solo HR every time up. Pedro let the guys on base that Matsui drove in.

by Bilzo on Nov 5, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shane and Ben helped :)

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Nov 5, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All I can say is I'm sorry...

I was pulling for your team they whole way. I was excited when your team beat the Dodgers cause I wanted my team to play you guys in the hunt for “RED” October. And when my team was eliminated by the “evil empire” I was really pulling for your team because while I’m an AL fan I won’t root for NY or Boston.

So I’m sorry, and I hope we meet in October in 2010.

by angelsfan777 on Nov 5, 2009 4:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I tried to watch postgame...

to see if they would interview any Phillies, but I had to turn it off when seeing A-Rod holding up the trophy sent me into dry heaves.

by NowWhat? on Nov 5, 2009 6:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just picture him as a centaur…laughing keeps the dry heaving down for a second longer

by j reed on Nov 5, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I tried...

but I was too tired and disappointed to have a good laugh.

by NowWhat? on Nov 6, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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