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My 2010 MLB Most Despicable Team

Long-time readers of The Good Phight may remember this piece from a couple years back.  Well, with turnover, a Championship (zOMG), and some new rivalries come some new despicable jerks.

Let's do this:

Catcher: Russell Martin - It all goes back to the 2008 NLCS when this Emmet Otter-looking creep had beef with Shane Victorino when he told Hiroki Kuroda not to throw at his head.  Then the crying and bellyaching.  The biggest douche during the 2008 NLCS beanball wars (aside from maybe Brett Myers).  I hate his face.

First Base: Mark Teixeira - Yuck.  Really though I have no gripe with Teixeira aside from the fact that he looks EXACTLY like this total knob I used to know and I can't not conflate them in my head.  He just clinched it by being a Yankee and beating the Phillies in the Series.  Pound sand, Mark.

Second Base: Martin Prado - Every year the Braves (my most hated team) have one or two crummy players who just dominate the Phillies.  Prado was one of them in 2009.  1.242 OPS vs. the Phillies.  Die die die die.

Shortstop: Derek Jeter - Being on the other side of the piston-like fistpumping of Jeter brings the hate home.  Of course he boldly and courageously led the Yankees to another World Championship (it's rightfully theirs, you know) even though Hideki Matsui, Johnny Damon, and Mariano Rivera did most of the heavy lifting at crunch time.  Go abroad and catch a disease.  In your heart, you know Alex is, was, and always will be better.

Third Base: Pablo Sandoval - "Fat" can be jolly and endearing or it can be slovenly and disgusting.  Guess which one Sandoval is.  I don't care if he has a cute nickname based on a shitty movie, but he's an elite professional athlete with the best nutritionists, trainers, and equipment in the friggin' world.  Mix in a salad once in awhile and do some sit-ups.  I bet he smells awful.

More after the jump...

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Left Field: Chris Coghlan - See Martin Prado above.  This guy just raped Philadelphia pitching in 2009 (1.139 OPS).  I hope he suffers a David Carradine accident with Bob Hamelin.

Center Field: Cody Ross

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Right Field: Jeff Francoeur - This guy totally blows, and he's a holdover from the previous team, but I've never hated someone's teeth this much.  That unassisted triple play, and Frenchie's despondent reaction, was one of my favorite non-playoff moments as a sports fan.  Mostly because it was Frenchie.  And one more time...

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Starting Pitcher: Adam Eaton - For being one of the worst starting pitchers in history, for never being accountable, and for glomming on to a Championship team.  Look, Eric Bruntlett stunk but he never claimed to be anything he wasn't, and he didn't get $24MM for doing it.

Starting Pitcher: John Smoltz - Homophobe and King of the CBP Whiners, Player Edition.  The fact that he's on the Phillies radar this offseason is giving me serious agita.  Even though Greg Maddux was pretty much always better, I never really hated Maddux at all.  Lovely beard, though.

Starting Pitcher: Josh Beckett - The upgraded Brett Myers, who found success in the postseason, and plays for the Red Sox.  Only one truly great season, but somehow slotted among the best pitchers in the league.  Embodies the reason why people have learned to hate the Red Sox.

Relief Pitcher: Francisco Rodriguez - Requires no explanation.

Relief Pitcher: Billy Wagner - Requires no explanation.

Relief Pitcher: Joba Chamberlain - DUI, drunk mom, I don't care about the inspirational stories about his father.  Fatty with a frog's mouth.  An overly demonstrative ass.  The little religion that sprung up around him has been hysterical.

Manager: Bobby Cox - A well-earned career-ending honor.  Sets the whiny tone in the Braves' clubhouse ("WHAAAA!!!!  CBP IS TOO SMALL!!!!!").  Hope he enjoys a nice, long retirement, although I fear for his wife.

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That is a great list. I HATE CODY ROSS!!!!!!! Living down here and watching the Marlins games when they play the Phils, it is just sickening to see him play. They are all over him for being a great player, when he is a little punk. Also, he had been that Marlin’s player that always killed the Phils until Coughlan this year. GOD I HATE CODY ROSS!!!!

by phillyphan9208 on Dec 31, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

Hahaha, the Cody Ross one is awesome. No analysis, just that picture. Great work.

by JimmyK on Dec 31, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

The Matsui brothers are so easy to hate. Kaz for his slam off of Lohse in the 2007 NLDS, and Hideki for using a Game Genie in the ’09 World Series.

by Crashburn Alley on Dec 31, 2009 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

Ross looks like Jimmy Carter’s evil half-witted grandson.

by taco pal on Dec 31, 2009 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

Nope

Just his brother, Billy.

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Jan 1, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

While I wholeheartedly agree with the entire paragraph about Jeter, I have to say that, paradoxically, I have also come to hate A-Rod just as much if not more. That dude’s face is just so, so off-putting.

by taco pal on Dec 31, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

How did that son of a bitch get to bang Alyssa Milano?

by JimmyK on Dec 31, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The whole confusion on the Kenzo comment was funny. Fortunately for San Fran I don’t hink they have any thing like Kensington there. Player I Can’t stand the most is Manny Ramirez. Total bum.

We don't play stats, we play baseball.

by W.P.M on Jan 1, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Manny

Saw a great story about Manny recently:

http://www.pnas.org/content/61/2/442.full.pdf

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Jan 2, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

They got Hunter Point and the Mission District

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Jan 7, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Jose Reyes

God I hate that S-O-B so much it hurts my brain and heart.

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."

by Roland86 on Dec 31, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with you on the Sandoval one

But for different reasons. My hatred of the guy comes from all the Giants fans nonstop bitching that he should have been on the All-star team over Werth. Just shut the fuck up about the bum already. Werth was and is better. He plays MUCH better defense and is comparable at the dish.

by philiafan14364 on Dec 31, 2009 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

2009 Stats

Werth: .268/.373/.506
Sandoval: .330/.387/.556

WAR:
Werth: 4.7
Sadoval: 5.2

Sure, they’re comparable. But just because you can compare them doesn’t mean that one isn’t better.

Hopin' to adopt Mark DeRosa.

by GiantPain on Jan 1, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

*sigh*

You need to read the rules

Which players rub you the wrong way? Your reasons can be entirely rational or spawned from pure irrational disgust.

You think one of your players should make the All-star team over one of mine, child please.

by philiafan14364 on Jan 8, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

And we were more pissed about Victorino than Werth.

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Jan 7, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Either way there was bitching of the nonstop variety.

by philiafan14364 on Jan 8, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Tex just looks like douche

Hes the guy you knew in high school that tried to be a somewhat nice guy, but given the oppertunity, you would knock his brains out with a car battery any day of the week.

by philiafan14364 on Dec 31, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

you nailed it when I was watching the WS I just kept thinking man this guy looks like a douche.

by Tron79 on Dec 31, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He does not look like a douche.

He looks like Elway. Oh…wait….

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Jan 1, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome

Cody Ross makes me go into convulsions of anger every time I see him come up to the plate. There is no discernible reason why he should be such a good player and kill us like he does. His swing is ugly as hell.

And I also refer to Pablo Sandoval as Fat Panda. Someone that hefty should not have a cutesy moniker.

by doubleh on Dec 31, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

I got no problem with Sandoval. Chipper, on the other hand . . . fuck that guy. Though I do appreciate his ability to drive Mets fans into fits of rage. Also, Mr. Centaur can go straight to hell.

"You grip it like this, and then throw the s**t out of it."

-Steve Carlton, on his slider

by ThinMountainAir on Dec 31, 2009 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

I can’t hate Coghlan, he was a pretty nice guy the times I met him. If he ever really kills the Phils in a big spot, I may develop a low level annoyance at him though.

by Cormican on Dec 31, 2009 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

Some honorable mentions: David Eckstein, Jose “Papa Grande” Valverde, and the Houston Astros, just on principle that they are kind of the team embodiment of Cody Ross.

by Wet Luzinski on Dec 31, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

Hunter Pence is gradually making his way up the list, for me.

by taco pal on Dec 31, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, those F*&$#@g Astros

Hi. I enjoy all the blogs and comments here and I just want to chime in that The Houston Astros have to be the Most Despicable Team of the decade.

Craig Biggio lives in my town and the local Deli had a chalkboard next to the door on which his hit total was tallied.

But I hate the Astros for many more reasons…their uniforms, the other “B’s”, killing the Phils in Sept. – always, and Craig Biggio.

by rabiabidabi on Jan 1, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Announcers

Let’s exclude bagging on the home crew. I’m looking for network or oppo announcer teams. And let me get the ball rolling by starting with that TBS crew…and what’s his face for those awful suits.

by Wet Luzinski on Dec 31, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

Everyone

On the Marlins announcing team. Nats, too.

by doubleh on Dec 31, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 bazillion

Braves are pretty bad too (Joe Simpson’s their color guy, right? He was awful during the NLDS).

Amazingly enough, the Mets crew is by far the best in the division, especially post-Harry. I don’t actually mind Darling and Hernandez, and the SNY coverage is generally pretty good.

by PhillyFriar on Dec 31, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Braves hired the fister this year, so

yeah. They are up there now that Chip’s in the booth with Chipper on the field (for what, 50 games +/-?).

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Jan 1, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

absolutely

I really like Hernandez (who obviously loves the Phils), and Darling is okay most of the time. Gary Cohen’s home run call is really irritating, but the rest of the time he’s okay (and for that matter, the Mets hit so few homers in 2009 that I can’t begrudge him and their fans enjoyment on the rare occasions when one of their guys did reach the seats).

The Nats crew are the absolute worst, to the point where I wonder if it’s intentional to have guys calling the game who suck as hard as those playing it. Jeff Conine alone brings down the Marlins bunch, and their endless bleating about Chris Coghlan probably had as much to do with my approving WC’s inclusion of him as his actual killing of the Phils. The Braves crew is whiny and ineffectual, like their team, and the re-addition of CAPTAIN FISTED promises to drop them almost into Nats territory as far as making me want to cut off my own ears so the stupid can stop.

by dajafi on Jan 3, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I said that I really liked the SNY a few times this year and people got all pissed at me.

I really like all those guys.

by JasonB on Jan 4, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I hated the TBS crew so much

by Tron79 on Dec 31, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Might as well get Buck and McCarver out of the way early.

by taco pal on Dec 31, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

OT since it isn’t baseball, but this call, more than any other, is why I hate Joe Buck. Listen to him suck all the life out of one of the greatest moments in Eagles history!

I don’t expect network announcers to get excited or emotional over the success of my team. Pat Summerall never showed emotion and as everyone knows, he was one of the greatest of all time. But I do expect them to describe events accurately. If a miraculous play occurs, say it’s a miraculous play. Don’t waste our time discussing the spotting of the ball, on a play that was clearly beyond the marker anyway.

by taco pal on Dec 31, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

other ones I thought of

Derek Lowe

Carlos Lee ( I was at the game wear he had three HRs in CBP)

Anyone wearing a mets uniform(especially the fans)

by Tron79 on Dec 31, 2009 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

I want Jose Reyes to light himself on fire, run into a sword, contract AIDS, and rub anthrax down his throat all in one sitting.

I’d put Pettitte on my list too. And Chipper, Carlos Gonzalez, Troy Tulowitzki, and BRANDON FUCKING WEBB

by Michael Levin on Dec 31, 2009 7:31 PM EST reply actions  

Andre Ethier, because I dislike the name Andre Ethier.

by Cormican on Dec 31, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

Happy New Year!

A bit belated for those of you on the east coast, but I’m in Chicago, so it’s only 12:13 for me.

The power play is still f**king clown shoes

Everybody...HIT SOMEBODY! ~ the Chicago Rush are back in April 2010

by HappyHuman on Jan 1, 2010 1:13 AM EST reply actions  

wow

So much for any fears that we’d get fat, happy and complacent after two straight pennants…

Of course, there’s pretty much nothing here I disagree with, other than that I’d very possibly sub in the whole Braves team (starting with Matt fucking Diaz and Larry Jones Junior), plus maybe Tim Redding—the ultimate bum vs. 28 teams who turns into a Hall of Famer against the Phils. And while I do detest Russell Martin, there has to be a space on this team for Yorvit “Norbit” Torrealba. The mutant offspring of Joe Torre and Jessica Alba might well be the Tim Redding of position players in terms of what he does to us.

by dajafi on Jan 1, 2010 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

Vis a vis complacency: the day fans of Philadelphia teams stop hating

is the day the sun goes out. The very moment the sun someday goes supernova, a future fan from the southern reaches of the metropolis will be calling out to Chipper (or his future analogue): “[t]o the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake, I spit my last breath at thee!” Maybe not those exact words, but you get the idea.

If that constant, that Pole Star is not there for me to navigate by, then the earth may as well open a crevasse beneath the several stadia in this city and swallow them all up.

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Jan 2, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

(ship) rec’d for Ahabability.

by Wet Luzinski on Jan 2, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems pretty unfair to get on Sandoval for being chubby/slovenly because he’s "but he’s an elite professional athlete "

As phillies great John kruk once said to a fan who said he didn’t look like an athlete, “I ain’t an athlete, lady. I’m a ballplayer”.

Hopin' to adopt Mark DeRosa.

by GiantPain on Jan 1, 2010 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

I believe part of this has more to do with what we perceive as Sandoval’s over-hyping vs. Werth’s relative obscurity, despite similar statistics, as you noted above. We Phillies fans have a perennial perceived deficit disorder; for Giants fans, you have the LA hype machine, we have the NY hype machine. Just my hunch.

Personally, I kind of fear the Panda, or whatever his nickname is, and find personal black-hats in Sheffield (tho I have some admiration for his ‘09 season) and Milton Bradley. But as you brought him up, Kruk is a cautionary tale for Sandoval. His career could have been HoF caliber if he’d have controlled his weight (and maybe stayed on a grass field). We here were thrilled last year that Ryan Howard seemed to play and prosper from being slimmer, rather than heavier.

by Wet Luzinski on Jan 2, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Ballplayers are athletes

I’ve always disliked that Kruk quote. The guy was a career .300 hitter, with a .397 OBP, but his career suffered because he never kept his weight under control. How much longer would he (or Mo Vaughn, or Cecil Fielder, etc) have lasted if his weight hadn’t been far too close to his BA?

I appreciate Sandoval’s ability. Wouldn’t losing some weight help him accomplish even more? As WL noted, Ryan Howard just had a great year in part thanks to pronounced weight loss. He became faster on the basepaths and more agile on defense, while losing no power at all.

"You grip it like this, and then throw the s**t out of it."

-Steve Carlton, on his slider

by ThinMountainAir on Jan 2, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Victorino

is a punk. He started with Martin in the 2009 playoffs as well. And beanballs are par of the game….get over it Victorino!!!

raygu

by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 1, 2010 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

How did Johnny Damon not make the list?

by Cormican on Jan 1, 2010 9:55 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not sure why he would.

What did Damon do, other than hustle and have good at bats in critical spots in the WS? It’s not like he was excessively or inappropriately demonstrative (from my conservative, rural, WASPish cultural perspective — we all carry our baggage, after all). He didn’t pull crazy performances out of his ass especially for the Phillies (Redding) or act like a roid-raging moron (Russell Martin) or act like he just raised the dead following a routine performance (such as K-Rod after a regular season, bases-empty, three-out save a la K-Rod). He didn’t act like a crybaby (Smoltz, Braves) because of CBP, to my knowledge.

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Jan 2, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

No logical reason like that. He makes my list because he killed us in the World Series and he looks really goofy with sort hair and no beard.

by Cormican on Jan 6, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

This post is pretty petty...

So you hate players just because they play well against you? How can you honestly hate Teixeira and Jeter, who are both some of the classiest players in the game? If you want to hate someone, hate people like Milton Bradley that make an ass of themselves and taint the game, not people who have success against your team. Roy Halladay freakin’ owns the Yankees, but I don’t hate him, I respect him for the great player he is.

by Wraithpk on Jan 2, 2010 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

Oh, come on, it’s fun (for non-Yankees fans, anyway) to hate guys like Teixiera and Jeter. I think you’re taking this post too seriously.

Frankly, I respect Jeter for being good, but cannot stand how he is fawned over constantly. It’s like baseball fans can’t go one week without being reminded of Jeter’s leadership, or pride, or how he’s Captain Clutch, The Truest Yankee Who Ever Lived. It’s dumb, unnecessary, and I’m tired of it.

"You grip it like this, and then throw the s**t out of it."

-Steve Carlton, on his slider

by ThinMountainAir on Jan 2, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Question

Honestly, I do not care about any of this because anyone can hate anyone if that’s their choice. I hate Rollins, but everyone here probably loves him……you guys just preferred to show everyone who you hate, while I just commented on this instead of writing a post about it.

ANYWAY, heres my question: Do you hate Jeter, or do you hate how Yankees fans love Jeter?

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"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."

by Brandon C. on Jan 2, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking only for myself

I don’t really hate Jeter, and I don’t care what Yankees fans think of him (or Rollins, for that matter). It’s more that I’m sick of hearing about him. Very few people who are not Yankees fans care to hear about Jeter on a regular basis, especially his “intangibles” or whatever, and yet the media seems to insist on lauding El Capitano unnecessarily quite a lot. Bill James put it well:

“I think most people acknowledge that he’s a great player. Bobby Abreu is a great player, too, but nobody feels compelled to tell you once an hour or so that he is not only a great player but a great team leader, a clutch hitter, a role model for children, a hero to firemen, the greatest baserunner since DiMaggio, has the work ethic of Bear Bryant, the courage of a Braveheart, the modesty of Ghandi, the footwork of Nijinski, the charisma of a movie star and the baseball instincts of John McGraw. But no Yankee broadcast is complete without at least three or four paeans to Jeter’s virtues.”

"You grip it like this, and then throw the s**t out of it."

-Steve Carlton, on his slider

by ThinMountainAir on Jan 2, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

well put

I’ve lived in NYC for most of the last fifteen years, which means that I’ve seen almost the entirety of Jeter’s career. He’ll go to the Hall of Fame on merit, and some of the hype is justified. He really is a fantastic base runner, for one thing; he’s one of the more complete and consistent offensive players I’ve ever seen, and his work ethic and durability are both as good as advertised.

But I’m not sure he’s ever been the best player on his team—probably you could make a case for one or two of their ‘96-’00 championship years, when pretty much every guy in that lineup was a .300 hitter with 20-home run power and good patience—and thus a lot of the glory is reflected. If he and Mattingly had switched careers in terms of when they played, I feel pretty confident the no-playoffs Yankees of the ‘80s and early ’90s wouldn’t have been much better and the five-title Yankees of the late ‘90s and ’00s wouldn’t have been any worse. (I know it’s not a perfect comparison because of the positional difference, but I think the overall point stands.)

It’s also possible that Jeter rankles Phillies fans a bit more than others because we sort of have that same guy—Chase Utley. The differences are that Utley probably has been the best player on the recent great Phillies teams, and that for whatever reason/s, he’s been as under-appreciated relative to his actual value on the field as Jeter has been overpraised.

by dajafi on Jan 2, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone under-appreciates Utley or over-appreciates Jeter. No Yankee fan is delusional enough to say that Jeter is the best player in the game, or even on his own team. We would say, however, that he’s probably the best shortstop that’s ever played for the Yankees, and in the top 10 of the best shortstops in the history of the game. I think that’s a pretty fair statement, considering SS is not a position known for batting ability.

On the flip side, many Yankee fans would concede that Utley may be one of the best all-around players in the game. I would put him in a group with Pujols, Mauer, and A-Rod.

by Wraithpk on Jan 3, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not the fans, it's the media

I think the fans have a better grip on things; certainly anyone who plays fantasy baseball knows how good Utley is. The general feeling among Phillies fans is that the mainstream media constantly underrates him. For one thing, Utley’s UZR/150 numbers for 2007 through 2009 are 21.0, 21.4 and 11.3. He did not win a Gold Glove Award for any one of those years. I know the GG is a fairly arbitrary award (and not all of the voters pay attention to advanced metrics), but we’d like to see credit given where credit is due. This is one specific example, but basically we get annoyed at the never-ending accolades aimed at Jeter while Utley seems to fly under the radar.

"You grip it like this, and then throw the s**t out of it."

-Steve Carlton, on his slider

by ThinMountainAir on Jan 3, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks

It’s always nice to hear from well-informed and polite fans of other teams.

Though I think that’s kind of the issue: though obviously you know what you’re talking about, many fans of teams with a national profile like the Yankees simply don’t. (The Phils are maybe a year of high-profile success away from starting to draw these folks in number.) Those fans probably do think Jeter is the greatest player (not shortstop even) in the history of ever… and, annoyingly, there’s a serious media infrastructure to help them perpetuate that belief. To my recall, Tim McCarver’s many acts of spoken-word fellatio rarely include qualifiers like, “in terms of actual production, he’s less useful than Posada and maybe even Nick Swisher.”

All that said, I wouldn’t have put Jeter on this “team.” I find the showboating but essentially gutless Jose Reyes far more despicable, for one, and I’m not real fond of Rafael Furcal either.

by dajafi on Jan 3, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’ll take a bit longer than a year, but we are getting closer. Not that that’s a good thing.

by taco pal on Jan 3, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeter’s probably borderline top 10, but he’s not the best SS to play for the Yankees. That’d be your current third baseman, who’s a better SS than Jeter, but was more of an upgrade over Fermin at 3B than over Jeter at SS.

I’d probably place Jeter around tenth, behind guys like Wagner, Larkin, and Yount, and somewhere around Ripken, Reese, and Smith. Jeter’s biggest issue at SS is his lack of arm strength, which causes his range problem. He plays very shallow to give his throws time to reach first, which cuts down on his ability to react to the ball.

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Jan 4, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I was going to post much the same comment

It’s odd that on a list of top 10 All-Time SS, Jeter would rank behind the guy playing immediately to his right. That said, no way Jeter could have moved to third, and New York may have imploded if Jeter were displaced for some other player.

by Cormican on Jan 6, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, sure. Jeter couldn’t move to third because of his relative lack of arm strength, so it made more sense for Rodriguez to change positions. Rodriguez replaced Robin Ventura (I was thinking of his original call-up when I said Fermin…duh moment). Ventura was 35, and batted .251/.344/.392 with a 0.974 fld% in 2003. Jeter was .324/.393/.450 the same year with a 0.969 fld%, so Jeter was obviously better (and younger). Ventura was clearly on the downside, and his backup at the end of 2003 was Aaron Boone, who was 30 years old and even worse both at the plate and in the field.

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Jan 6, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s one thing to respect a great player who does well against your team; I think the point of a lot of this is that many of these players are merely OK when they face other teams and turn into HoF’ers when they face the Phils. That’s maddening.

Tex doesn’t bother me; mainly because he doesn’t/hasn’t done all that much against the Phils. Jeter, OTOH, ThinMountainAir nailed it. It’s the constant manlove he gets from the four-letter and other networks. We get oversaturated with NY hype in these parts. And agreed that Utley is a younger version of Jeter and doesn’t get nearly the hype nor recognition worldwide (although Yankees fans sure should know who he is by now if they don’t already) that Derek does, even though he should.

by doubleh on Jan 2, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Jeter is the Brett Favre of baseball. At least in football, with all the games being on national TV, unwarranted hype gets distributed on a more-or-less random basis. In baseball, it’s based largely on geography, which makes it even more annoying.

by taco pal on Jan 2, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, Jeter, Favre, and Tiger... ESPN's Holy Trinity

2009 may very well have been a huge orgy for those guys in Connecticut

by NowWhat? on Jan 3, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Understandable

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"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."

by Brandon C. on Jan 2, 2010 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

How can a Phillies fan hate Derek Jeter more than Jose Reyes? Doesn’t get much more bitter than that.

by KingHenrik on Jan 2, 2010 6:10 PM EST reply actions  

Oh, the Reyes hatred will return to full force soon enough. This is a list based on recent events, and Reyes didn’t play for most of last season. If he stays healthy, he’ll piss us off and we’ll go right back to loathing him with our previous intensity.

"You grip it like this, and then throw the s**t out of it."

-Steve Carlton, on his slider

by ThinMountainAir on Jan 2, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

If we're doing this based on looks

Albert Pujols looks like like a complete douche and I’d love to see his team actually make it far enough in the postseason for the Yankees to kick his ass and send him back to St. Louis. And I wouldn’t be surprised if we start hearing in 5 years that he might have been doing steroids all of this time. I don’t hate him as much as Youkilis but he’s definitely in the running. Maybe I just hate beards.

by YankeesRock on Jan 2, 2010 10:37 PM EST reply actions  

Pujols is a beast

But he really rubbed me the wrong way a few years back when he whined about Howard winning the MVP when the Phillies didn’t make the playoffs. This year he was talking smack about Fielder not tucking in his jersey or players not having “respect for the game”. I really hope he wasn’t doing steroids all this time, but after A-Rod, nothing surprises me anymore.

by doubleh on Jan 2, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate Jeter because of Yankees fans

During the series, at least 5 separate yankees fans that I know specifically told me that they were horrified at Phillies fans simply booing Jeter. One guy literally said to me “Why would they do that? He didn’t do anything to them!” an actual “man” said this.

A girl I work with told me “There was no need for them to boo Jeter.”

No need? It’s amazing how they treat the guy like a freaking baby. Funny thing is, I don’t think he really is a big baby… they just treat him like one.

These same people had nothing to say about the entire stadium chanting “you took steroids” at Pettite, but just couldn’t take the fact that Jeter had to endure some boos.

by JasonB on Jan 4, 2010 2:11 AM EST reply actions  

Please photoshop that uniform off Francoeur. Also I don’t see how Prado and Coghlan are “crummy” players. And I know Myers is gone, but this team shouldn’t talk when it comes to domestic violence.

Here are Pujols's stats: 1.000/1.000/4.000/5.000. That's right. He is batting a thousand, with a thousand OBP (naturally), and every hit has been a home run, and thus his OPS is a perfect 5.000.

by TradeAndruw on Jan 4, 2010 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

I would say Prado’s no longer crummy. He was bad his first two seasons, but has turned into a good hitter and slightly below average fielder (at 2B). Even so, his OPS against us was 50% higher than his season average. Let’s put it this way – he was Milton Bradley against the rest of the league, and better than Babe Ruth against us.

I don’t think “see Prado” was intended to mean that Coghlan is crummy, just that he abused our pitchers the same way Prado did. To be honest, I’m hoping for one heck of a sophomore slump from Coghlan, because he scares the bejeebers out of me. He’s not a good fielder, but that bat of his is disgusting.

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Jan 4, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

As a New Yorker and a Mets fan, I'm offended by this post.

I mean only two Mets make the list. Did it take just one injury filled season to forgot about Wright’s boyish good looks, Reyes dancing and Beltran’s totally hot bod? Also, how does Paul LoDuca not have a permenant spot on this team in some capacity?

the number one issue facing the Mets is finding that one guy who’s going to say "get on my shoulders and ride me to the championship."

by Sokojoe on Jan 4, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah but you guys are like so last week.

by taco pal on Jan 4, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Finally, someone from the state of N.Y. who understands the spirit of this damn post!

If it makes you feel any better, Beltran would have made my list. Based on interviews I have heard him give, he just strikes me as really unintelligent and I seem to remember hearing somewhere that he supported George Bush in 2004…which just about seals it.

OTOH, Carlos Delgado has been one of my favorite players since his refusal to stand for “God Bless America” a few years ago.

by FuquaManuel on Jan 4, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually like Wright. Yeah, he does better against us than most other teams, but he’s never come across as a trash-talker. He just goes out there and plays. For Reyes, it’s hard for a guy that only played 36 games to make the Most Despicable Team. If he comes back healthy next year, it may be hard to pick between Reyes and DerekJeterDerekJeterDerekJeter.

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Jan 5, 2010 7:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, Wrights totally ok with me.

by philiafan14364 on Jan 8, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Me, three. Love to have him on the Phillies; and I don’t say that about many players. Of course, with our collection of stiffs at 3B since Rolen left, it’s no wonder, right?

by doubleh on Jan 8, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

well played, sir

FWIW, Reyes still gets my vote. But Wright isn’t nearly obnoxious enough, and Beltran, while personally unpleasant and a guy who’s gotten some huge hits against the Phils, reminds me too much of vintage Bobby Abreu in terms of his game for me to totally hate him.

You do have Frenchy, whom we loathe, and of course KRud.

by dajafi on Jan 5, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I am genuinely disappointed in myself for forgetting about Paul LoDuca.

by Wet Luzinski on Jan 5, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Since LoDuca’s no longer an active player, we’d have to give him a coaching title or some other team job. Perhaps his true calling could be found as the team Asshole Consultant or Steroid Purveyor.

"You grip it like this, and then throw the s**t out of it."

-Steve Carlton, on his slider

by ThinMountainAir on Jan 5, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Lo Duca’s currently a horse racing analyst…I can’t come up with anything, but I’m sure one of the creative geniuses can come up with something amusing revolving around his current line of work.

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Jan 6, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, really? The guy had a serious gambling problem during his playing days, didn’t he? And aren’t steroids made from horses?

There’s definitely some comedy gold in here somewhere.

by doubleh on Jan 6, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Question: why didn’t Brett Myers make this list? He is definitely a despicable human being by all standards that matter to me.

by FuquaManuel on Jan 4, 2010 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

Which is it? The wife beating or the Confederate flag fetish? Even his shining moment, the Kyle Kendrick punking, had an element of mean-spiritedness.

I believe Meathead is well-positioned to be a member of this club as soon as next year. He absolutely fits the profile, and what’s more, in all statistical likelihood, he is precisely the kind of pitcher we should absolutely mash. He will gall pinheads like us because he has already invited Philly fan scorn, which will endear him to the WIP set, who will wonder why we ever parted ways. Fans will cheer him for his tough guy bravado. We will not understand.

And when we are not looking, the NL Central will pound him into dust. All this is written in the stars.

by Wet Luzinski on Jan 5, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Somehow I doubt a diet would help Sandoval

Just look at Prince Fielder. He went vegan on us, and he looks like he’s getting fatter.

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by Orlando Rays on Jan 5, 2010 6:56 AM EST reply actions  

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