Martino: Phillies still in the running for Roy Halladay
I suppose that it's possible, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd do the trade if we could extend him; I'd send them Drabek, one of Brown or Taylor, and two of whomever else they want (although I'd prefer to keep D'Arnaud).
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I seriously doubt they’ll put much consideration in a one year rental, there’s no way he’ll agree to anything but a big payday. Halladay going to want a massive amount of money for an extension. I just don’t see the Phils parting with that kinda money to extend him.
Scar tissue is stronger than muscle tissue. Realize the strength, move on.
This agian
look we can not sign both Halladay and Lee, we could have enough money for Lee. I like winning now, I also like winning for long term future. We will lose some players to free agency and need to have replacements on the farm. To simply trade away prospects for a one year guy irks me. I know we are built to win now, but the players listed are too much. I would only do the trade if he agrees in principle to a contract first.
We don't play stats, we play baseball.
long-term
If you look at it from the perspective of who will be easier to sign long-term right now, if you trade for Halladay you might get that 72 hour negotiation window for a contract extension. And if you believe what you hear about Lee being dead-set on entering free agency, there’s virtually no way the Phillies outbid Boston/NYY for his services.
I’d be utterly shocked if neither Halladay nor Lee are a Yankee in 2011.
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Agreed, but I just don’t see the Phils coming up with the kinda money Halladay would want or demand.
Scar tissue is stronger than muscle tissue. Realize the strength, move on.
If not resigning Lee, just apply the same money for Halladay. I have a hard time believing a team that will throw 30M+ at a 37 year old left fielder wouldn’t throw a ton to retain a CY Young winner in his young 30’s with no significant injury history.
Also, the history of trading prospects for rentals (Ryne Sandberg not withstanding) is better than you might think. I’d prefer to keep Brown, but I’d gladly ship them Drabek and one or two other prospect for Doc.
I know
That is why I am reluctant to trade away prospects with out a deal first.
We don't play stats, we play baseball.
Taylor
I’d only be open in parting with him if Werth could be extended this offseason.
Too bad we cant trade Werth instead of Taylor. Maybe theyd take Vic instead of Taylor?
by philiafan14364 on Dec 6, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't do it.
He’s probably the best pitcher in baseball, but surrendering even one Top 25 prospect to pay a guy $15.75 million for one year’s worth of work just isn’t worth it.
It stinks, because he’d like to be a Phillie, and I think Martino is right in envisioning a Yankees/Red Sox standoff where neither ends up acquiring him. But with Lee already on board, and a fixed payroll in the $140 million range, it just doesn’t make sense for the Phils at this point.
I would do it if I could extend Halladay, but I would not give up much.
First, I don’t think it will happen. Second, I would only do it if I could get the 32-year-old Halladay to sign a three-year extension (and no more). Third, the only top prospect I would give up is Taylor (This assumes that Taylor would not play much for the big club in 2010, that Werth gets extended and that Brown succeeds Ibanez in 2011 or 2012.). Fourth, I would also be willing to give up Happ, Kendrick and, maybe, either a Bastardo or a Freddie Galvis.
The Phillies were not willing to give up all their top prospects last summer at a time when Halladay would be available for two post-seasons. Now, since only one season remains on Halladay’s contract, the Phillies offering price goes down.
If the Jays keep Halladay in 2010, they get another year of his pitching plus two draft choices when he leaves. The Phillies’ offer should exceed that, but not by too much.
The only reason this could even possibly be being talked about is because they want leverage to sign Lee long term. I can’t even imagine them actually trading away more prospects for high salary guys with the team salary as high as it is…we need to keep refreshing our ranks with young, CHEAP talent.
ARGH - Don't do it Ruben!
The only way this will be worth it is if it’s really, really cheap, prospects-wise.
One year rental?
Not at this time of year. Toronto might (has to) do that at the deadline, but right now, they won’t sell cheap. The only scenario that makes sense here if I’m the Jays is a trade/extension deal with top shelf prospects.
In terms of payroll, is there a handy cheat sheet somewhere with payroll and contract info? I know…LMGTFY, but I figure someone here has found the best listing already. I swear I’ll bookmark it.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Dec 7, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
This is what I was looking for:
http://www.reclinergm.com/phillies-payroll-analysis-and-organizational-depth-chart/
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Dec 7, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
that jamie moyer 2 year deal
makes me sick to my stomach
Don't worry, it didn't make sense last year either...
How much has he made since he turned 35?
by Ant on Dec 7, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
$69.3 million
Counting from his 1998 contract through to the 2009 season. Prior to turning 35, he had made $5.9 million in his career.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
Err...$4.9 million prior to 35. Forgot to carry the one.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
Amazing.
Of course, it’s better to make your money when you’re younger, as your investments have more time to grow before retirement.
As long as you’re willing to live semi-modestly, a $6M income per year for a few years will still let you retire nicely. It’s when you get hung up over the multi-million dollar mansion and having 57 cars that an athlete isn’t able to retire on what he makes in his career.
I do agree, though, that Moyer had an amazingly low earnings early in his career. For comparison, Greinke is 25 and has made $6.25M so far in his career. Heck, even David Wells (one of Moyer’s “similar-to” pitchers) had made $16M by age 35, and they’re the same age. Moyer’s now made about $16.3M more than Wells over their respective careers, just because his career’s been so much longer.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
It’s easy to grin,
When your ship comes in,
And you’ve got the stock market beat,
But a man worthwhile,
Is one that can smile,
When his pants are too short in the seat
by Boundforbeach on Dec 9, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
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