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It's official, the Super Bowl is over and the Eagles didn't win it.  Now that we can get that out of the way, we can focus on spring training while keeping an optimistic eye on the Flyers and the Sixers.  A lot has happened over the off season where the Philadelphia Phillies became World Champions.  Now I am really wondering what you are feeling.  I have a ton of mixed emotions and, frankly, I have no idea how to feel.  Here are just a few of the possibilities...

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1. Elation.  The Phillies won the World Series.  What else could you ask for?  Two in a row?  That's just gravy.  The Phils could go 62-100 and I am still feeling warm and fuzzy over their victory.

2. Concern.  Can they do it again?  How will I react if they start to stink it up?  If they start 6-12, will I jump off the bandwagon?  Will the players have a let down? 

3. Insatiation.  Now that I have tasted blood, I want more.  MORE MORE MORE MORE!!!  One isn't enough, that's like sleeping with a supermodel and then she leaves and you are stuck with the so-sos at the local bar.

4. Angst.  We are doomed since we just won.  We can't do it again for another 25 years.  The parade seems so long ago.  Cole is going to get hurt.  Moyer is going to die.  Howard won't ever make contact.  Victorino is not really from Hawaii!!!

5. Indifference.  Who cares?  they got their championship, now they get a 5 year respite.  If they win again, woo hoo.  If not, I am headed to the beach.

6. Frustration.  This team was good, but was lucky to cruise to a WS title.  They snuck in again this year and they haven't improved much at all.  Pat is gone and Ibanez is decent, but was in middle school whem Jamie was in high school.  I want more than one championship, I was a dynasty!

I am sure that many of us have a mix of all of these plus more.  I am not sure how I feel.  I tend to separate the result with the process.  I think it makes me much more capable of being analytical.  Am I thrilled that the Phillies won?  Absolutely.  But, that was last year.  I will forget all about that championship right after the first pitch and if they lose a game, it will hurt just as bad as any other game they lost.  So, I may be more in the frustration realm than anywhere.  I don't count the championships up, I just care about who the next champion will be.  And I want it to be the Phillies.

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yeah, it's a mix

of about 50% Elation, 25% Indifference, 25% Frustration. I actually want it to be much closer to 100% Elation, because baby, these things don’t come around too often. Somehow 2008 mostly didn’t feel like a magical season while it was happening – I guess Lidge had the unblemished year, but overall I think we may look back at that sweet, special 24-6 run to end the year and take the division and the championship, rather than the overall year.

I know we try to avoid politics here and that’s wise, but just for purposes of gauging fan emotion, those of us who were Obama supporters are going to tie the WS win in with the election six days later as a really amazing exacta. It felt like back to back wins for my ‘team,’ which, let’s face it, is often how politics feels.

But even for those Phans who didn’t support the electoral victor, I hope they can bask in the glow of that fabulous run of baseball from Sept. 11 – Oct. 31 (I’m including the parade) for a long time. They should – these are rare events and, as you say, there was a lotta luck involved. Luck being the residue of design, Ruben Jr. has not designed another run of luck with his moves so far.

"I am the Walrus?..... I am the Walrus." - Donny Kerabatsos

by The Navigator on Feb 3, 2009 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

in and out burger?

vladmir, iliyich, ulyinov!!! it all makes sense now dude… fuck it, lets go bowlin…

by PHIGHTINPHILS on Feb 3, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

it's true

I’m outta my league here.

"I am the Walrus?..... I am the Walrus." - Donny Kerabatsos

by The Navigator on Feb 3, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

uhm, i agree?

i’m sure we are all feeling most of those feelings (my exception is the cole-hurt and the moyer-die thing). i’ve never slept with a supermodel. i certainly dont want a 5 year respite.

i think this team has been properly built through the end of wade’s era and the short-lived gillick tenure. let’s see if ruby jr. has anything up his sleeves…

i think we’ve moved laterally so far in this offseason making small moves and the ibanez thing i think will be fine for this year, we’ll see after that. am i okay with lateral movement? sure why not? if we were a 8.5 out of ten last year and won the phall classic, why can’t 8.5/10 do it again?

the key here is some of those small moves and seeing some of our upstarts come to fruition – the happ’s, carrasco’s, ruiz’s offense, etc… some of gillick’s ‘small moves’ panned out to great big fat moves, hopefully some of ruby jr’s will do the same…

regardless of this season’s outcome, i think my christmas will keep me elated for many years to come… it was a phillies christmas for me… after seeing game 5 (both parts) live in person, my girlfriend/friends/family hooked me up with as much phillies swag as my little heart desired… 8-disc dvd, brad lidge dvd, framed sports illustrated cover, hardbound phils book, countless car/fridge magnets, world series champ parking signs, my gir’s little sister even made me a chase utley toothpick man complete with clay head and shirt (she’s 7)… so i think i’ll be in the elation for a long while.

oh and i’ve already renewed my sunday package two rows off the field near the left foul pole… let’s hope my Vault neighbors are as excited about ibanez as i am!

by PHIGHTINPHILS on Feb 3, 2009 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

you missed one

I’m very much in a confident mindset about the upcoming year. My main concern is the Mets and the busy offseason they have had. But, on the other hand, why should I be worried about a team that always falls apart, and is seemingly one piece away every year?

We are the defending champions. We didn’t look so good at times last year, in some cases we flat out sucked. But, we clearly had a foundation for a champion, and we still have that foundation today (minus Burrell).

Is there really any question that we are the team to beat? The reason we are champs because we exceeded expectations. We lost 3 games in the postseason! We beat the most celebrated teams in the league! We have the same formula for doing it this year as well.

All this offseason hoopla about powerhouses and premier signings is unimpressive to me these days. Its about winning when it counts, and that’s what we did, and will do.

by Matt Millz on Feb 3, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

Insatiation. I’ll be disappointed in anything less than another World Series and would be evry depressed if they didn’t even make the playoffs.

by yosoysean on Feb 3, 2009 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

now that we’ve had a taste of the big time, there’s nothing else that can satisfy. i need my fix!!!!

by sixrfan on Feb 5, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m hoping to stay between Elation and either Insatiation or Indifference, depending on how things go.

As I’ve written this winter, I do think we were lucky—but every team that wins the title is lucky in some way and to some respect. You have to be, otherwise they’d just give the trophy to whichever team wins the most games through the first 162. Some aspects of that luck—always having Hamels on track to pitch Game One, avoiding any injuries that keep key guys out for more than two weeks or so—probably won’t repeat. They’ll have to find luck elsewhere: maybe Carrasco gets called up in June and goes 10-3, or Marson comes in for Ruiz and hits .320/.410/.480 in 250 plate appearances.

At the risk of repeating a cliche, one thing I realized after last season ended “the right way” for the first time since I was 7, is that most of what’s great about baseball is the journey. The October games offer more intensity and greater emotional reward, obviously. But it’s watching Utley belt doubles in May or Victorino steal a base in July or Madson pump heat past a hitter in August—or even Geoff Jenkins uppercutting to another strikeout or Chad Durbin going walk/single/homer to blow a two-run lead—that invests the truly committed fan.

(Y’know, the sort of guy so starved for baseball that he’ll watch the Caribbean World Series on a Monday night in February and get excited that Jorge Padilla is still playing.)

by dajafi on Feb 3, 2009 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Were the prvious almost wons vindicated at all? All those times you felt like shit after the Phils didn’t make the playoffs, do you retroactively feel better about it because they finally won? I always enjoyed those trips regardless of the outcome.

For Who? My teammates.

For What? To Win.

How Much? Where do I sign?

by jonk on Feb 3, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

not exactly

My retroactive feelings about past seasons haven’t changed, but I think they were reasonably healthy feelings to start with – like you, I got enjoyment out of them even when the Phils missed the playoffs. I think of the 2003 season, for example, as a really fun year, even though the team ultimately went nowhere, because I got to be present for 1. a no-hitter and 2. a Wolf/Pedro matchup where Nomar got six hits, Thome bailed them out twice with late innings homers, and Pratt won it with an extra-inning walkoff. Amazing game. Made the whole season worthwhile.

"I am the Walrus?..... I am the Walrus." - Donny Kerabatsos

by The Navigator on Feb 3, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

For me, every time any Philly team lost after getting close was more painful because of how long it had been since the city had won a title. I wanted the Phillies or Eagles to break the drought because those are the sports I follow; when they blew a late-September wild card lead as in ‘03 or ’06, or came up short on the last day in ’05, that hurt more because you didn’t even know if they’d get that close again.

I don’t think the WFC “validated” those near-misses, but I do hope it takes some of the sting out of the inevitable future disappointments. To an extent it might be happening already: the Eagles losing in the NFC title game probably bothered me less than it would have absent last October.

by dajafi on Feb 3, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Elated to be Champs, but no free pass in '09

I don’t think I could ever NOT care how the Phillies do, and in a way, I still have the same feelings going into this season as I did last season. You’ve got to give them credit for an amazing 2008 season—a season that fulfilled my one wish as a Philadelphia sports fan, to win a World Series. Of course, you can’t expect to win a championship in any sport, especially baseball—the season is a marathon, and success still requires a great deal of luck along the way. The Phillies were both good and lucky, and they delivered in the biggest way.

That being said, there should still be somewhat of a disconnect from 2008 in 2009. The Phils should certainly carry themselves as champions on the field—they’ve got what everyone else wants, and until they’ve lost an elimination game they are the Reigning World Champions. But just as spring training in years past represented a new beginning and a chance to forget about the previous year’s disappointment, the Phillies should come into 2009 with a mentality that in terms of THIS year, they still haven’t won anything. I want to see them come into the season with the same hunger to succeed, but with the added confidence that as a team, they’ve already been successful and have every reason to do it again.

Should we be disappointed in anything short of another World Series this year? No. But given the winning (and sometimes cocky) attitude the Phils have maintained over the last few years, they have to at least prove that their success hasn’t changed their dedication to play with that mindset

by Aspeed8 on Feb 3, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

I may be the only one

I’m still enjoying the WFC, but I don’t think it’s significantly coloring my feelings about 2009 at all.

It’s a new year and last year doesn’t matter any more. I hope the players feel the same way.

by phatj on Feb 3, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

I think focusing purely on Championships leads to anger and inevitable disappointment. Now that we have the “big one” out of the way it’ll be a lot easier for me to appreciate the season-long “journey” without obsessing over the “destination” as much.

I still get frustrated and disappointed when I feel like the team does a poor job of putting itself in the best possible situation to win. Honestly, that’s just about all that we as fans can ask for; stuff happens throughout the season that can only be ascribed to bad luck or simple misfortune (injuries, etc.) It appears that the Ibanez signing was a true jump-the-gun thing that looks terrible so far; even if there was a lot of competition for Ibanez, they could’ve gotten similar production from Dunn, Abreu (!), or hell, bringing Burrell back, for much less money/years.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Feb 4, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

I think focusing purely on Championships leads to anger and inevitable disappointment.

See: Philadelphia Eagles.

I’m going to remain guardedly optimistic about the season. Some of the offseason moves seemed a little strange to me. It felt for some reason that the team hasn’t been building to win and put itself in the position to succeed. Solving all of those arbitration cases was awesome, and I commend Ruben and the FO for getting that done.

That being said, signings like Ibanez and Park sort of puzzle me. Are Raul Ibanez and Chan Ho Park the kind of contributors that make a 90+ win playoff team? Time will certainly tell. I have reason to be optimistic about the season because, well, we just won the g-d World Series.

by Walcott on Feb 4, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

Angst

I expected to see much more angst (though I would call it resignation). That’s pretty much how I feel. We got the WS, now I can settle in for 25 years of crushing defeats and occasional terrible seasons. When the Iggles lost the NFC title game I wasn’t nearly as bothered by it. Not because I was so thrilled the Phils won (though I was), but because I realize that the champoinship God does not visit Philly without exacting his pound of flesh.

by Cormican on Feb 4, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

Losing disappoints me; stupidity angers me.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Feb 4, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I love Philly and Philly teams, but the track record tells me to enjoy success when it comes, but don’t expect it often. the Phillies have existed 100+ years and have 2 championships to show for it, they have the most losses of any pro-sports team (in large part the result of longevity and really long seasons, comparative to other sports). The Eagles have not won a Championship in nearly 50 years. The Flyers are 30+ years from their last cup (though the should have had one in ‘81 against the Islanders). The Sixers hold the record for the worst season by an NBA team (~40 years ago) and have now gone 25 years without a championship.
I grew up in Philly and lived there 30+ years and saw exactly 1 World Series Title and 1 NBA Championship (I’m not including the 2 stanley cups as I was 1 and 2, respectively, when those were won. I am also not including Wings Lacrosse titles(though I am a big fan) or ’Nova’s NCAA title). I just take my excitement with a healthy dose of cynicism.

by Cormican on Feb 5, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

from your choices I would go with 75% concern and 25% Frustration. For my terms I would call myself Excited with a wary tinge of Trepidation. It’s a new season, the team seems to have tred water, while the mets I think improved. There are a lot of issues that could go either way.

Still, there are moments of 100% elation. Walking through the mall and seeing someone with a World Championship shirt on makes me all smiles. It renewed my faith in life. We won! Good things can happen in this world.

by heyelander on Feb 4, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Still, there are moments of 100% elation. Walking through the mall and seeing someone with a World Championship shirt on makes me all smiles. It renewed my faith in life. We won! Good things can happen in this world.

Pretty much every time I read or hear the words “World Champion Philadelphia Phillies,” there’s at least a minor thrill. I’m coming to think that the true payoff of the title happens over years as the memories of it get refreshed in this or that random moment.

by dajafi on Feb 4, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I live in Mets/Yankees territory, so it’s like a secret handshake when I see someone wearing WFC gear… I usually give a quick nod, and then a quick “Phils baby!” Sometimes there’s a quick conversation, other times a high-five, or just a nod back. It’s still pretty awesome, though.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Feb 4, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever tragedy befalls me in life, I instantly calm myself by saying “You know what? It’s OK, because the Phillies won the World Series.”

Try it, it works.

by Walcott on Feb 4, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

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