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Jamie Moyer, Brad Lidge, and Jimmy Rollins: The Three Dead Weights

There are lots of problems with the Phillies right now, but three of the biggest are three of the biggest stars from last year:  Jamie Moyer, Brad Lidge, and Jimmy Rollins.

This is no surprise, as anyone watching games or looking at boxscores can tell that the three of them are killing the team.  But this post isn't all doom and gloom.  The silver lining for each of these three dead weights is that they all have the experience to get through these massive slumps.

Don't worry -- I'm not suddenly lapsing into SportsCenter-speak about experience, grit, and resolve.  (It scares me just writing that you could possibly have thought that!)  Rather, what I'm talking about by referring to experience is that each has had a stretch like this one in his past, and each has figured out how to get beyond it.  Let's look at the specifics:

Jamie Moyer has a 3-3 record, but only 1 quality start out of 7.  His ERA is a well-deserved 8.15, as he hasn't gotten unlucky much (FIP of 7.29).  At age 46 (albeit with a shiny new 2 year contract!), Moyer might have lost his map to the Fountain of Youth he obviously found over the past few years.

But maybe he can use his experience to draw on in getting past this slump.  Moyer has had two stretches like this in his career.  The first was at the end of 1995 and the beginning of 1996 when he was starting for Baltimore then Boston.  In 1995, Moyer started the year as a reliever for Baltimore but then moved into the rotation.  He wasn't very good as a starter for the entire time he was one for the Orioles, but was especially awful toward the end of the season.  In his last 6 appearances for the Orioles plus his first for the Red Sox, he had an 8.44 ERA.  Yet, he recovered and had a 3.98 ERA for the entirety of 1996 (for the Sox and the Mariners).

Moyer underwent an even worse stretch in August 2000 as a starter for the Mariners.  In seven starts starting July 29, 2000, Moyer had a 9.47 ERA.  The "highlight" of the stretch was giving up 11 earned runs in 3.67 innings against the White Sox on August 9.  He followed that outing by giving up another 11 runs (although only 6 earned) against the Tigers on August 14.  Again, he recovered.  For the remainder of 2000, he had a 4.76 ERA in 5 starts.  Combine that with all of 2001, and he had a 3.59 ERA for the 7 months following that awful August.  Of course, Moyer wasn't 46 in either instance, but he has twice found a way to get past worse 7 game stretches than he's in now.

Brad Lidge has had a start to the season that is the perfect mirror to his performance last year.  Perfect all season last year, this year Lidge and his 8.59 ERA have been anything but.  He's given up at least a run in 8 of his 15 appearances.  He has been awful in whatever situation Charlie Manuel dials his number for -- save situations, close games that we've trailed, throw-away final innings.  The only thing left for Lidge is to enter the game as a middle reliever and give up 5 runs.  His WHIP proves how awful he's been, as it is an ungodly 1.98.

But, like Moyer, Lidge has been here before.  In fact, he's had three 15 game stretches worse than the current one he's in.  The first (and worst) came in late 2003 when he had a 9.95 ERA over 15 games as a reliever for the Astros.  He wasn't the closer then, but he overcame his problems and became the closer in the middle of the following year, when he posted his career-best 1.90 ERA.

His second stretch came, as you could probably have predicted, following the dramatic Pujols homerun that some thought ended Lidge's career.  He started 2006 OK following that home run, but then was awful from mid-April through May.  He was also awful later in 2006, when he had another terrible 15 game stretch from the end of June to the end of July.  During that period, he had an 8.56 ERA.  He ended the year with a 5.28 ERA, which does indicate that he pitched pretty well outside those stretches.  As we know, though, following 2006, he was very good in 2007 (3.36 ERA) and perfect in 2008 (1.95 ERA, 48 saves in 48 chances).  Like Moyer, Lidge has overcome in the past.

Finally, we have Jimmy Rollins.  Rollins' troubles are probably the most widely known after his flap over being dropped from the leadoff spot earlier this week.  In 31 games, Rollins has 6 walks and a .238 OBP.  Thanks to a powerful lineup around him, his counting numbers aren't too bad -- 2 HR, 11 RBI, and 17 R.  But, imagine how many more runs he'd produce if he actually could get on base or make contact this year.  His .534 OPS is worse than what Endy Chevez blessed the Phillies with in 2005 (.542).

But Rollins has been here before and overcome.  He had his worst 31 game stretch in the middle of his worst season -- 2002.  From mid-June to almost the end of July that year, he had this beautiful triple-slash line:  .163/.236/.207 for an OPS of .444.  The rest of his 2002 was much better, as he finished the year with a .686 OPS, meaning his OPS for his non-horrible games was .751 (triple slash of .267/.325/.426).  That's hardly the MVP Rollins we want in our lineup, but it's a world of difference from what we're getting now.

Rollins started 2004 with another horrible stretch.  Including the last week of 2003 along with the start of 2004, Rollins had a .539 OPS over those 31 games.  And yet he finished the year with an OPS of .803, posting an OPS of .848 after May 5.

Rollins' final brutal slump spanned August 2005.  From July 31 to September 3, Rollins had an OPS of .481 (.190/.233/.248).  His year as a whole, though, was pretty good -- .749 OPS, with a very good OPS of .843 in his non-slumping games.  Rollins has been in this hole before, and has gotten out.

As history shows us, all three of these players have figured out how to get through slumps even worse than the ones their in now.  Of course, there's no guarantee that history repeats itself here, especially for the 46-year old Moyer.  But, we do know that these stars, who have played the game a long time now, have seen lows like this before and have flourished on the other side.

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Lidge?

How can you say a guy who is 5 for 6 in save opportunities this season is “dead weight”? Granted his numbers aren’t good and he’s had a rough start but dead weight? Way too far on that one.

by Illadelphs on May 15, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Saves

It’s like saying a guy who has a 3-3 record is dead weight. Saves, like wins, are not a very telling stat. ERA, WHIP, and more sophisticated evaluation tools all show that both Moyer and Lidge, despite looking ok by wins and saves, are doing horribly this year. They’re both, as Larry Bowa would say, kiling the team.

by David S. Cohen on May 15, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

Personally, it doesn’t bother me much if Lidge gives up a run when the Phils had a three-run lead going into the ninth. It’s unfortunate, sure, but as long as he gets the outs and saves the game, who cares what else happens?

"He shows up every day to play, he plays hard every day, and he shows up to beat your butt." ~Ozzie Guillen on AJ Pierzynski, 3-17-09

R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09

by HappyHuman on May 15, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh…I kinda do. He’s not gonna get that many opportunities to get saves in 3 run games. So if he gives up runs in 1 or 2 run games that would not be ideal. It is not clear if anything will suddenly change once he gets in a 1 run save situation.

by FuquaManuel on May 15, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Lidge.

I tried to support you, and then you went and blew another save. Try getting the slider somewhere near the strike zone next time, will ya?

"He shows up every day to play, he plays hard every day, and he shows up to beat your butt." ~Ozzie Guillen on AJ Pierzynski, 3-17-09

R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09

by HappyHuman on May 16, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

My quibble with this post is also the use of “dead weight,” but only because I thought the phrase should have been retired, like a hero’s jersey number except the opposite, after Ed Wade left the team’s employ.

Of the three, Rollins is the one I’m least concerned about. We know he’s streaky, and while I don’t think we’ll see the 2007 version again, I would be very surprised if he doesn’t rebound to something like .270/.340/.430 with 15 or so homers, around 30 steals, and 100 runs scored. Given the hole he’ll be digging out of, that suggests some hot stretches ahead.

With Lidge, the questions are health and mechanics. If he says he’s fine and tests don’t yield anything, I guess they have to let him keep trying to work out of it. But I worry that he’s altering his delivery to minimize pain, with the possible result that he’ll hurt himself worse. Remember, he’s under contract for three more years.

As for Moyer, his margin of error was always tiny, and we knew that any slight loss of command would render him a batting-practice pitcher. I wouldn’t cut bait on him yet, but if this goes on for 2-3 more starts, it will be painful for the player and the team in ways that go beyond falling behind 7-1 early in games.

by dajafi on May 15, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Ed Wade

I gave him his due with the Endy Chavez reference because, after all, that move was the highlight of Wade’s tenure here.

by David S. Cohen on May 15, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miguel Cairo is dead weight.

by FuquaManuel on May 15, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Not really

Cairo is small potatoes. He has a -0.7 WARP3. Compare that to Rollins at -2.6, Lidge at -1.9, and Moyer at -2.4.

by David S. Cohen on May 15, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

As Dave says, Cairo is more insult than injury. I feel ashamed and embarrassed whenever he takes the field, and he certainly isn’t contributing, but he isn’t the reason they’re struggling.

by dajafi on May 15, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but I thought the definition of “dead weight” was someone who is simply excess baggage (i.e. Cairo). Not trying to suggest that Cairo is the reason they are struggling. Without Lidge, Rollins, and Moyer, the team has very little shot at accomplishing anything…thus they are not dead weight but essential to the team’s success.

In medical terms, Cairo is a big, huge, hairy mole that should be lopped off before the adverse health effects become more apparent. Rollins, Lidge, and to a lesser degree Moyer are a heart that is malfunctioning that is nonetheless essential to the survival of the body as a whole but could also cause it’s death if it continues to malfunction.

by FuquaManuel on May 15, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like an anvil holding you back

That’s what I think of a “dead weight” as. In that way, Cairo isn’t one, as he’s not holding us back. He’s just kinda nothing….

by David S. Cohen on May 15, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see…I have been misusing that phrase for a loooong time! : )

by FuquaManuel on May 15, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we're both right

In particular, scroll down to the thesaurus entry on this page — it seems that both meanings we’ve attributed to the phrase may be right.

by David S. Cohen on May 15, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, they DFA’d him after the game.

by dajafi on May 16, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice!

A sure sign that Ruben Amaro is not Ed Wade. Wade would have kept him on the roster all year.

by David S. Cohen on May 16, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can any one easily parse lidges numbers in the ‘save vs non save’ situation? No I’m not saying ‘5 for 6’ is good but the comment has often been asserted that Lidge is just terrible in non-save situations.

If he’s 5 for 6 in save situation but has 15 appearances that means that 60% of his appearances are in non save situations – and while we all want the ‘leveraged situation’ for the closer as opposed to being fixed in the 9th inning – mybe lidge has ‘limited’ uses in the 9th inning only when a save is available?

"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."

Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.

by jemagee on May 15, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure if anyone is watching the MLB Network ‘batting practice’ but Mitch Williams just said something interesting about why he wouldn’t work in a ‘non save’ situation…not because the pressure is off him in a non save situation but the pressure is off the hitters…in a close game save situation there’s pressure on the hitters to make contact, widen their strike zones, and swing at pitches out of the zone they might not swing at in the fifth inning.

Probably not new – but an interesting thought…

"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."

Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.

by jemagee on May 15, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Dead Weight and Fielding

I am watching the DC game tonight and have a thought on this blog. I think one of our biggest problems this year is the lack of good baseball playing. Alot of bad base running, tonight poor throws (Chase to Ruiz at home tonight) and just poor at bats. I really do not see hustle like they did last year. I believe they have lost a couple games just due to poor baseball playing.

Any thoughts?

by DeanH on May 15, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Seems kind of obvious to point out that they’ve been losing baseball games due to poor baseball playing.

by phatj on May 15, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow…never really thought of it that way. thanks.

by FuquaManuel on May 16, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

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