Myers Has Frayed Labrum, Surgery Likely
by dajafi on May 28, 2009 5:48 PM EDT
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The Phils' rotation, already looking like the team's biggest vulnerability as they try to defend their championship, took a huge blow today with the news that Brett Myers has a frayed labrum and could require surgery. After having an MRI today, Phillies pitcher Brett Myers was told that there was fraying to the labrum in his right hip, an injury that could require surgery and jeopardize the remainder of his season. He told the Inquirer that he wants to get a second opinion before potentially going under the knife.
A trip to the disabled list seems likely (though GM Ruben Amaro isn't calling it a definite), and it's very possible we've seen the last of the Phils' Opening Day starter for 2009. In fact, with Myers' contract set to expire after this season, Wednesday night's start could prove to be his final one for the club that drafted him ten years ago.
Myers has been the Phils' most consistently effective starter this season, with a 4-3 record and 4.66 ERA in ten starts. For his career, he has a 73-63 record (with 21 saves, from his 2007 stint closing for the Phils) and an ERA of 4.39.
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Well this sucks.
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
my only prediction
coming into this year was that we were gonna get hit with injuries.. just based on how lucky we got last year, ya had to figure somethin like that was bound to happen
now lets just hope this is where they end
WFC
Doesn’t pedro pitch with like a 90% torn labrum?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions
The shoulder one is the really bad one. In fact, I’ve read that it’s the worst injury in baseball.
I had no idea there was a labrum in the hip too.
Heck, neither did I, i just remember a lot of reports about how pedro pitched well with one…guess not relevant)
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Odds of a trade increased tenfold with this news. This also hurts Brett as he’s in his walk year.
Well, sh**.
Or helps – he gets the surgery – he’s out for the season – he heals up and then teams can ‘dismiss’ his performance this year due to the labrum and not use it to determine his value one iota…
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know. 2005 was his only consistent season (2007 notwithstanding—not his fault—he was in the bullpen) Myers has great stuff, but a ten cent head and can be downright awful and let things unravel at a headspinning pace. Without his electric second half last year, we never would have made the playoffs, let alone won the WS. But his postseason starts were more memorable for his hitting than his pitching. His career ERA is 4.39 with a 1.36 WHIP. Not mindblowing stats, but considering pitchers like Carlos Silva still can get huge contracts in FA, well…you can make your own conclusions there.
It looked like perhaps he was turning the corner this year as he was able to recover from things better than he had in the past and then, BOOM, injury. He was on his way to giving up a record-setting number of homeruns, though.
Ah the 10 cent head argument…i love the 10 cent head argument
I’m not saying Myers is at his level – but how much does ‘10 cent head’ zambrano make per season?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions
I didn’t say the 10-cent head should affect what he gets paid, but it does affect how he pitches and how successful he is on the mound.
I’d say the same for Carlos Zambrano.
And it’s also one of those phrases thrown aroudn that I find silly – and it doesn’t seem to have much impact if a guy has talent.
He’ll get good money
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, he’s a nutjob. You like that phrase better?
And it does impact a guy’s talent when he can’t maintain his composure on the mound.
Actually it has no impact on his talent
It may have impact on what he does or doesn’t do with his talent
Ryan Howard being unable to lay off crap at his ankles is bad for his talent – he still is making 54 million dollars over the next 3 years.
I don’t think brett myers make up – however you choose to analyze it without having met the guy – is going to have as much impact on how much money he makes as you seem to think it will – there’s enough evidence to indicate teams think they can ‘fix it’
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there’s enough published/factual evidence that Myers has a bit of an anger mgmt problem—punching his wife in Boston, his treatment of the media and shouting matches with his manager—that I don’t have to meet him to know this.
Like I said further up, I don’t anticipate that it would affect what he gets paid, but I said it sucks because he was in his walk year.
You speak in mixed cliches, it makes it hard to keep up.
I’m sure he’ll be over paid this year…injury or not
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I was stating a fact, if you took it as an insult – i’m not sure that’s my fault
10 cent head, head on straight, turned the corner, all cliches, and weak ones at that
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh – I see – martyring yourself now
So we should all be nice to you and not disagree with you ever because you’re a girl? Is that what you’re saying?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I’m not, but I don’t think you have to resort to insults simply because you disagree with what I’m saying.
I am not martyring myself and I don’t really give a shit what you think about me, but I don’t really like being bullied or told I’m stupid because of something I believe.
I thought these places were supposed to be open forums.
I expressed my opinion that you were speaking in cliches and that i found it kind of perplexing
I am sorry if it insulted you – but it’s my opinion – and if it’s an open forum then i should be able to express my opinion – shouldn’t i?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
so now what do we do to replace him?
does Kendrick make his return to the rotation?.. Park?.. Carrasco?.. do we try and make a move? Oswalt anyone?
WFC
Me, i’m going to wait until they decide on the surger or the DL and what amaro does.
I don’t plan on calling any GMs
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
So you equate this with myers giving up a single huh?:)
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad I could help.
You need a Carnaval Del Barrio – that’s all
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a similar reaction to jem. You hate Myers!
(I mean, it’s hate/love, and you kind of feel that way about all our pitchers and most of our hitters, but still.)
I do hate Myers as a person and will always believe that as a human he is a worthless piece of scum…and have trouble feeling any sympathy for the pain he is probably in. But objectively, this hurts the team, so I am not happy about it.
by FuquaManuel on May 29, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant it more in a global way – i suppose i could have just said a single – it’s just your ‘go to’ word :)
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 29, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It's going to cost us a lot
We won’t touch Kendrick, best bet right now is Park will go back in the rotation, which means no one will be sent down for the Romero move up.
As for long term this season, they could bring up Bastardo but I want them to wait until next year to actually guarantee him a starting spot. I feel like they will have to trade and over trade since teams now know we need to replace our #2. I can see Kendrick and Carlos out of here easily now.
Bringing up bastardo would be a rash quick decision that would probably turn out just slightly better than the gavin floyd we paid him 4 million dollars let’s not worry about his development experiment
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with some of this. A lot of really costly mistakes have been made by panicking teams in the aftermath of an injury.
The Floyd thing still aggravates, though his regression in Chicago this year makes it hurt slightly less, cause that was purely panic not even based on injury so much as justifying a 4 million dollar bonus – so in its failure (a failure of the organization and a demonstration that developing pitchers maybe not so good at that) not only did they waste 4 million the concept of drafting a guy who slides because of sign-ability possibly took a hit as well.
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m don’t think it’s rash. The Phillies need to replace Myers in the rotation, and they have to do so by Monday. It would be far less rash to call up Bastardo, who they can simply send back down and replace for free, should he falter, than to make a quick trade for a Jason Marquis who might not even be as good as Bastardo, but would cost much more in terms of prospects and salary. If they can get a Peavy or Oswalt or Halladay for a fair price, that’s different. It’s a measurable improvement over Myers, and presumably we’d still have some guys on the farm to call up to replace Moyer or whoever should it be necessary.
I don’t disagree that calling someone up is a good idea – I disagree that it’s a good idea to call up bastardo when there are more polished folk who while not putting up gawdy numbers this season have been in higher levels longer.
I believe you can rush a guy too fast and by doing so you can ‘ruin’ him if it’s not handled properly – and the phillies history of handling pitchers development, well, it aspires to be spotty at best.
I’d rather see kendrick or carpenter or a ‘we know what we’re getting’ guy than the guy who has been hot for a month and half – give him another month and a half and if he keeps it up – then maybe – but i believe i fbastardo has ‘great upside’ and pitching at a much higher level than he has before – nothing could break it faster than bringing him up to the major where more than likely he’ll get bashed around
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, Kendrick? Talk about a guy who has been hot for a month and a half — he’s shown a higher strikeout rate this season so far than at any other time in his pro career. If he can keep it up, he might just be a useful major leaguer at some point in the future. But right now, he’s not an option as far as I’m concerned.
Carpenter as an emergency starter is fine. I think he’s kind of fringy as a long-term solution. I think he’d be a clear downgrade from Myers.
I’m not sure Bastardo is less polished than those guys, anyway. And I absolutely do not believe he’s in any danger of being “ruined.”
but he has not been hot for a month and a half. He has demonstrated that he can excel at every level in the minors so far…and the early returns indicate that AAA is no exception (small sample size, sure).
Look, I am not necessarily advocating his immediate call up, but he has been as good as or better than any young arm we have in the minors.
Kendrick came up to the majors from AA as a much less successful minor league pitcher and (thanks to some luck of course) managed to hang around for the better part of a full season. It seems pretty clear statistically that Bastardo has better stuff and would need to rely less on luck than Kendrick did to get major league hitters out.
by FuquaManuel on May 28, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
according to Peavy his 3 requirements to being traded are:
1. to an NL team
2. to a contender
3. as close to home as possible.. from what i’ve heard, the decision of where he ends up is basically up to his children.. they don’t want him to be too far from home, and last i checked Philly and California aren’t exactly neighbors
not to mention i also heard the asking price was Victorino and Marson
WFC
+1
Peavy is under contract and is the real deal. Peavy + Hamels = pretty damn good. Imagine lining up against that as an opposing manager.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on May 28, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
agree
Move Werth to CF, platoon Stairs and Mayberry in RF, and we’re good to go. I’d do that in a snap. Even if they wanted an additional decent arm, someone like Savery, I’d probably do it.
Ready to guarantee that 20 million?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 29, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If the doctor says he’s okay, then yes.
(Provided it isn’t the same doc who signed off on Freddy Garcia…)
He’s dead
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 29, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t we already know that Peavy specifically doesn’t want to come to Philadlephia?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 28, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that's been discussed.
JP may just want to win. Anyone who watched Hamels last year knows playing at OFJOAB isn’t the end of the world when the playoffs (and now a WS) could be at the end of the road. When’s he going to the playoffs in SD?
Nevertheless, I wouldn’t mind seeing them take a flyer on Cabrera. He’s got an arm, and can be had for a song. If he can’t patch together some starts, kick him to the curb quickly and move on to plan B.
Why not try out Happ? Oswalt? It’s going to be interesting this year. There are parts to move on from the minors, which helps.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on May 28, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Cause Happ already replaced Park
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 29, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Adam Eaton is available -- just released.
ducks and runs
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on May 28, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions
As posted above...
I’m not totally opposed to giving him a shot. Be quick with the hook, but why not? He’d be cheap. Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle. If he doesn’t show up after a coupled of starts, move on.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on May 28, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard Dontrelle Willis is throwing in the backyard of his rehab center?
by Wet Luzinski on May 28, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Dontelle has had two alright starts for the tigers in the past week and a half
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 29, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
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