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Raul Ibanez and the Juice: Another Look at the Numbers

With the Phillies playing the Dodgers and the Mets over the past seven games and the Red Sox on deck, you'd think that all the talk this week would be about baseball on the field.  But, that hasn't been the case, as Philadelphia Inquirer columnist John Gonzalez has stirred up quite a controversy (and yes, this is all Gonzalez's fault) about Raul Ibanez and steroids.

In case you've missed it (which would be shocking), earlier this week Gonzalez published a column taking a relatively obscure blogger to task for speculating that Ibanez's great start to the season was fueled by steroids.  Ibanez then responded vehemently denying any allegations.  The national media soon picked this up, and somehow the original blogger wound up appearing on ESPN's Outside the Lines yesterday talking about the whole issue.  No doubt had Gonzalez never published anything, the original post would have faded into obscurity like much of the blogosphere (including my posts -- I have no illusions of grandeur here).  But Gonzalez wanted to stir the pot, and here we are.

The basic argument in the original post was that Ibanez's early season surge this year is unprecedented based on his career numbers and is not explained by the park difference from Seattle to Philadelphia.  That may be true.  But what the original post didn't analyze was whether Ibanez has ever had a 58 game streak like he has so far this year.  And the answer to that simple inquiry is that he absolutely has, over a few different stretches in his career.

So far this year, in 58 games, Ibanez has incredible numbers.  He has a .322/.377/.674 triple slash line, good for a 1.051 OPS.  He leads the majors in RBI, with 58, and runs, with 49.  He is 1 off the lead in home runs, with 21 (behind Adrian Gonzalez).  His isolated slugging percentage is a whopping .352, which also leads the majors.  Pretty amazing for a 37 year old!

But here's the key piece of information:  Ibanez has done this before over 58 game stretches in his career.  In fact, there are five other periods of his career that have shown similar dominance:  July/August 2001, July/August 2002, June/July 2006, August/September 2007 combined with very early April 2008, and late July/August/September 2008.  Here's a chart showing the best 58 game stretches in those time periods compared to the current streak he's on:

 

Last day AVG OBP SLG OPS HR RBI R ISO
Aug 20, 2001 0.342 0.441 0.631 1.072 11 41 33 0.289
Aug 21, 2002 0.314 0.371 0.668 1.039 18 64 38 0.354
Jul 23, 2006 0.262 0.339 0.569 0.907 18 60 41 0.307
Apr 6, 2008 0.354 0.418 0.632 1.051 16 45 38 0.278
Sep 14, 2008 0.365 0.423 0.627 1.050 13 54 42 0.262
Jun 11, 2009 0.322 0.377 0.674 1.051 21 58 49 0.352

 

As you can see, what Ibanez is doing now is hardly unprecedented for him. Yes, this is his best 58-game home run streak and slugging percentage, but it's not his best 58-game OPS (that was the 1.072 he put up through August 20, 2001) or his best 58-game ISO (that was the .354 he put up through August 21, 2002). His best RBI total isn't even on this chart, as it's through August 22, 2002, with 67 RBI.

Now I want to make one thing entirely clear.  I really don't care much about steroid use in baseball.  I really never have.  I enjoy watching whatever product gets put on the field.  I know the athletes do all sorts of things to get themselves ready that us mere mortals could never do:  much of it completely legal but still completely out of reach to the average person, some of it completely illegal, others of it in some gray area.  I just can't bring myself to care.  For all I know, every player in baseball, including Raul Ibanez, is doing something fishy.  Or it's only the small number who have been caught.  Or somewhere in between.  I'll never know and just can't bring myself to care.

So is Raul Ibanez juicing?  Like I said, I don't care and I don't and won't ever know.  But, what he's doing now is not unprecedented in his long and productive career.  There is just no spike in performance that is so unusual for him that we have to conclude that he is taking steroids.  That I do know.

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I think we can all conclude that Ibanez better START juicing so that this gravy train won’t end.

For Who? My teammates.

For What? To Win.

How Much? Where do I sign?

by jonk on Jun 12, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the article doesn''t take into account 2 factors that increased his #'s

Bad pitcher ERA is mentioned and so is the fact we’ve played in small parks
however, he never mentioned how the Phills have a better lineup, which means more rbi’s, less pressure, more AB’s
also the dimensions in citizen’s bank park are smaller, but weather conditions also affect the way the bll travels. it’s wamer in philly and the ball travels further, wind also factors in.

by sports00fan00 on Jun 12, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Seattle plays in a defacto dome, where wind is out of the equation quite frequently.

by Cormican on Jun 12, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he's not

He’s not defying age. He’s done this when he was younger – several times in fact. That’s the point.

by David S. Cohen on Jun 12, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh come on – you expect people to change their thinking when presented with overwhelming evidence?

This is America – we don’t work like that

"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."

Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.

by jemagee on Jun 12, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not saying that, I’m just saying there’s other examples. Hank Aaron did a few things several times when he was younger, but he set a few career highs at 37.

by SJPhillyVT on Jun 12, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff. But I do care, insomuch as I want our guys to win playing by the same rules as everyone else. What’s excellent about this article is that it pretty conclusively disproves even that there’s anything unique about the tear Ibanez is on, which in turn casts the “juicing” possibility in a more absurd light.

by dajafi on Jun 12, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know

Yeah, I know other people care, which is why it’s important to get all the information out. But, at the end of the day, I just don’t. Probably some character flaw of mine, but that’s just the way it is with me.

by David S. Cohen on Jun 12, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why does noone talk about the lineup he is hitting in? he’s not being protected anymore by adrian beltre and richie sexson, need i say more?

by Kevin K on Jun 12, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes – you need to prove that protection exists

"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."

Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.

by jemagee on Jun 12, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did this when being protected by them!

The lineup is better, true, but he’s hit this well when protected by Beltre and Sexson (and other assorted scrubs from the Mariners and Royals).

by David S. Cohen on Jun 12, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and i would assume that he is hitting with runners on base at a much higher % than he has in prior years

by Kevin K on Jun 12, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You can look that up

Regardless of that info, he’s still well short of his career-best 58-game RBI totals. He “only” has 58 now, when in the past, with those inferior lineups from the Mariners and Royals, he’s been well into the 60s (topping out at 67).

by David S. Cohen on Jun 12, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe he’s just agood hitter? can’t we leave it at that?

by Kevin K on Jun 12, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That’s what the point of the entire article is! Criminy! He’s a good hitter in the midst of a not-unprecedented hot streak!

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by WholeCamels on Jun 12, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a solid characterization of Raul

An above average hitter who goes on exceptionally long hot streaks that make his season ending numbers look shiny and pretty. Good for him putting it together in the first half of the season, so he can show off his tremendous defensive prowess to the entire world in the All Star game.

I never really liked the old tagline.

CougCenter

by Dancing Football on Jun 12, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Not really bitter, just poking fun. I’m glad to see Raul doing well, he’s a solid individual.

I never really liked the old tagline.

CougCenter

by Dancing Football on Jun 12, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post by the way

I never really liked the old tagline.

CougCenter

by Dancing Football on Jun 12, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So now you want reading comprehension as well – geez you guys ask a lot

"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."

Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.

by jemagee on Jun 12, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i guess i’m the master of the obvious…hahaha…maybe he drinks EAS myoplex with utley….

by Kevin K on Jun 12, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great breakdown...

I remember the Aug 2002 run, I picked him up on my fantasy teams. If he had stats like that now I would love him even more.

by Ant on Jun 12, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great article David. Amazing what a little research can accomplish.

Before we start calling Ibanez’s hot streak “unprecedented” let’s actually let it become unprecedented first.

by FuquaManuel on Jun 12, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well

haha, with this kind of article, maybe Ibanez will apologize for his characertization of bloggers living in mother’s basement ;)

Interestingly, though, these numbers even indicate that his high home run total, which is probably the main number that got him any sort of attention anyway is not all that out of line. He has had two periods of 18 HRs, and considering Citizens Bank Park, it seems like that can account for the 3 extra he has during this period.

Also interesting, 2 of these periods occured last year which may just mean he has learned how to hit better.

One final thing to add, I think, is that not only is Ibanez hitting great, but that both Ruiz and Feliz are also hitting really well in about the same period. Considering Maneul’s reputation as a great hitting coach, it may simply be some slight but good coaching has caused Ibanez’s good period as well. He wasnt a bad hitter ever, after all, and it would make sense that a good hitting coach could increase his averages (or at least, good periods) from about .300 to about .330 or what have you.

Finally, the line up has to help him out a lot, especially with Ruiz and Feliz hitting so well. With Utley and Howard hitting before him, and Ruiz and Feliz hitting well and after him, not to mention Werth, Victorino or Rollins depending on who is at 6, pitchers cant really pitch around him at all.

I would be interested to see how many times Raul has come to the plate with x guys on plate, and how his numbers change with x.

I think this happens somewhat frequently with hitters, where they move to a new line up with lots of good hitters and their numbers go up a bunch. I am not sure about HRs, but I believe “dont walk” or “be careful” pitches are easier to hit for HRs than say whatever the phillies were pitching to David Wright and Beltran the past couple of days.

Sometimes the numbers dont always give a clear indication of what is going on, as there are so many different types of fastballs, pitching approaches etc. that a subtle and numberless change in the pitching can have a drastic effect on the numbers of the hitting.

by Whack8888 on Jun 12, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A shame

That “steroids” is the first word people use to describe an amazing season by a talented veteran player. Same with Ortiz (disclosure: I am a Sox fan, I follow the Phils loosely), just because a player declines in talent rapidly doesn’t mean he came off steroids. I think some bloggers out there need to let the actual reporters do their job and not let their baseless speculation ruin the reputation and spirit of some of the game’s best natural hitters. Plus, Ibanez on my team is killing my fantasy opponents!

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jun 12, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And until you mentioned it just now i hadn’t heard steroids attributed to David Ortiz – the inevitable decline of a guy who is not in the best shape and probably isn’t fully recovered from his wrist injury – yes – but not a peep about any kind of enhancement

"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."

Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.

by jemagee on Jun 12, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mainly Yankees fans trying to get the eye off of ARod but it’s been floated around in the news reports. Type in David Ortiz steroids in any news search engine, you’ll get plenty of articles speculating, also about his age, that I buy into a bit more, he doesn’t look as young as the records indicate, but that may just be because he’s a big dude.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jun 12, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greg Oden doesn’t look as young as his records indicate…i’ve learned from oden that you can’t always tell :)

"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."

Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.

by jemagee on Jun 12, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Pos

wrote this post a couple of days ago. He also references Raul’s hot streaks as well; also for those interested Jarod makes an apperance on the bottom of the article.

by Sokojoe on Jun 12, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Guilty until Proven Innocent?

Raul Ibanez’s hot start all the way to June has surprised me, but it does sadden me that many believe he is “juicing”. I personally would like to believe he isn’t, and after hearing his comments, I don’t think he is using performance enhancers. Now that the people of the world have a “guilty until proven innocent” mindset, Raul Ibanez isn’t getting the credit he deserves for such success he has, and may never will. The people need to go back and rethink their accusations, and for those who believe he is on the straight and ever so narrow path, I thank you. Raul Ibanez, go out and continue to have a great season & if you jump off your hopefully straight and narrow path, you’ll have to face what A-Rod and many others are facing, but I doubt you’ll ever do so.

OG_03

by OG_03 on Jun 16, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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