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Phillies Breakfast Links: June 19, 2009

Manuel nears boiling point as Phillies get swept by Blue Jays

"But at the same time, I think that with the way things are, we are kind of beat up, and we have guys out, and we come back in the game like we did today, and where we are at with the injuries and working people and things like that, I don't know if that's the right time to go in there and start screaming and hollering and cussing and throwing things. "Don't get me wrong, I'm headed that way, I guess. But I ain't quite there yet. Maybe somebody ought to push me into it."

My prediction: Jimmy Rollins dogs it on a groundball. Charlie asplodes.

 

The Fightins » Marco Scutaro catches the Phillies napping; steals second on a walk
With depressing .gif evidence. That was so awful.

 

Bill Conlin: Phillies prospect Michael Taylor a heavyweight five-tooler | Philadelphia Daily News | 06/19/2009

Just build a moat around Michael Taylor. Put him off-limits. Declare him a future Philly landmark. Buy him a size XXX-long T-shirt that reads "Untouchable" in front and "Off Limits" in back.

Given the pitching talent that's allegedly available for trade, I'm inclined to go with ol' One Chair on this one.

 

Glavine: No return this year
There goes that option, not that it was exactly a wonderful one.

 

Boston's Penny is the most-watched pitcher in baseball
Great, only if he brings Alyssa Milano with him, they're not still dating, are they?

 

McCAFFERY: Phils need to sharpen mental game
I want to rant about how stupid this premise is, but then I start to think he has a point...

 

Lidge eager to return
A close-to-100% Brad Lidge would be a huge boost. Less than that...

 

Williamsport Crosscutters' season opens tonight
All eyes on Anthony Hewitt...

 

R-Phils blanked by Bowie, 2-0
Tyson Brummett with a strong outing, though.

 

'Pigs complete first sweep
At least someone in the organization is winning lately...

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Always trust your instincts

If this guy says it, it’s wrong. His premise apparently is that the Phillies don’t think, but only when at home.

by phatj on Jun 19, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That guy's a dumbass. Nothing more.

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by R_Adragna on Jun 19, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taylor

I am very concerned that the Phillies will panic and pull the trigger on a very unfavorable trade. I do NOT want to get ripped off for the likes of Brad Penny.

Speaking of the Red Sox, an interesting fact about them is that they haven’t made a single major midseason prospects-for-veteran trade in this decade. I understand that we’re not in the same boat as Boston, but there still were years when they could have used the help and they chose to ride it out and, if need be, live to fight another day. I’m not necessarily opposed to all deadline deals: I’ll always stand by the Blanton trade, even as Outman is now outperforming Blanton in the majors and Cardenas is ripping up AA ball at age 21. But you can’t just keep going to the well. There’s a reason why Boston does what it does, and that’s because the midseason market (especially for starting pitchers) is a suckers’ market. And yet, all the rhetoric on talk radio is that “The Phillies can’t look to make the same type of mid-level pickups they’ve been making the last couple of years. They need to pull the trigger on something big to put them over the top.”

If the right deal comes along, that’s fine, but I don’t buy that this organization has to put all of its eggs into the short-term basket or that we only have a short window of opportunity to succeed. If you’re not a poor franchise, the window of opportunity can be as short or as long as you choose to make it. It’s in the nature of all fans, and in fact all humans, especially Americans, to overvalue the present and undervalue the future. The “window” theory is just a convenient way to articulate an irrational tendency of human nature.

by taco pal on Jun 19, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Couldn’t agree more. My nightmare is a deal that ships out one or more of Taylor, Brown or Drabek for a mid-rotation guy or less. If you can get Halladay (you can’t, btw), that’s one thing; otherwise, let’s hope for the best (including possible stretch-run contributions from Carrasco and/or Drabek) and feel confident that the team should be in a good position for at least a couple more years to come.

Gillick was able to get that sort of pitcher (Moyer, Lohse) for pretty little. Blanton cost more, but as a guy in his 20s under team control for multiple years with a clean health record, he should have cost more. Penny, Washburn and Marquis are all closer to the Lohse end of the spectrum: possibly a good pickup, but nothing like a sure thing.

by dajafi on Jun 19, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carrasco/Drabek

I like the idea of hoping (or trusting) that the young guys can get the job done later on.

I remember in 2006 when the Cardinals won the World Series they had Adam Wainwright, who at the time was a not at all known rookie (I think at least) who had barely played in the major leagues. Of course, he was great and the Cardinals won. Whether that is the kind of gamble you want to make, that young guy will come in and do well, is I geuss a matter of taste. The thing is, trading for someone else is a gamble as well. There is no guarantee that any pitcher will repeat any performance, look at Santana, Peavy, Halliday (now that he is on DL), Kazmir I believe is on DL and I am sure there coul be a lot more listed here.

There is every bit as much risk that you bring in a seasoned veteran who gets injured as there is in calling up someone from the minors who just cant cut it. The thing about gambling on the young guys is, you dont give anything up to get them, and so it kind of sways my preference for gambling on them instead of gambling on a veteran.

by Whack8888 on Jun 19, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very well stated with back up. Pass your thoughts on to Amaro. Tired of hearing how we always need something to bring us over the top every year. Has anyone done a study as to what the winnng World Champions due mid season as average?

by DeanH on Jun 19, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some guy on ESPN today, crasnick or stark, i forget who – said the phils ARE looking but that charlie has made it clear that he wants a front line pitcher – or no one…and that the ‘front line’ pitchers really aren’t out there any more…

"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."

Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.

by jemagee on Jun 19, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting comments

I don’t know anything about these young players, but I remember when Schmidt was starting out. It seemed that years were spent waiting for him to develop and then just about when many fans had given up on him he hit his stride. Possibly most young players will excel if given enough time. They all progress at different rates. it depends on how much patience you have as a fan.

by fan since late 40's on Jun 19, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

schmidt

You’ve said this before, but I’m wondering what “years” you’re talking about here. Schmidt had a horrendous rookie season, true, but hit the ground running the next year and never looked back, leading the league in home runs three straight seasons.

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by WholeCamels on Jun 19, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they say the mind is the first thing that goes

"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."

Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.

by jemagee on Jun 19, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More

When the Philles were lousy year after year people"s patience lasted a lot longer. Now, since they have been doing well, people have a lot less patience with them.

by fan since late 40's on Jun 19, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m sorry – what now? That’s ridiculous

"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."

Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.

by jemagee on Jun 19, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Schmidt

Thank for your comments. I think that Schmidt was a great player. I am not a stats person. I went back to look at Schmidt’s stats. In 1973 he played in 132 games and hit .196. He had 367 at bats and struckout 136 times. I guess when you are watching those games it seemed like a lot longer period than it was.

by fan since late 40's on Jun 19, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Admittedly, if you listened to the media in Philly during the first half of Schmidt’s career, you would think he stunk. I still know people who refer to him as “a bum” and are 100% serious.

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by WholeCamels on Jun 20, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are names for those people

"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."

Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.

by jemagee on Jun 21, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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