Matt Garza is just an excitable boy: Phillies at Rays Game Thread, June 24, 2009
by WholeCamels on Jun 24, 2009 7:00 PM EDT
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Philadelphia Phillies at Tampa Bay Rays, Jun 24, 2009 7:08 PM EDT
Remember how Matt Garza was supposed to mop the floor with the Phillies in the World Series? Then they put four runs on him? Good times!
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Wow, one third of Rays fans who voted in the FSN ‘interactive poll’ blamed the weather for the Phillies winning the World Series.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Baseball is obviously meant to be played under controlled weather conditions, like it is in St. Pete.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Jun 24, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And on an artificial surface that cannot be eaten by Dick Allen’s horses or smoked by Tug McGraw.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a godless city.
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For What? To Win.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we sweep the Rays and Jays we end up .500 for interleague play!
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And THAT would really be the accomplishment of the season thus far.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay Rollins…meh.
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For What? To Win.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Utley gets smacked and he shrugs.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Terrible AB from the Big Man. Waved at an outside pitch without even stepping toward it.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Kennedy is repeating the ‘bandbox’ meme about CBP. I guess he has never read the park factor numbers showing the relative neutrality of the Bank.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He works for FOX :)
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 24, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What term do we use now-a-days?
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Garza looking really sharp…
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did someone steal his lunch money?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 24, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently the Marlins travel well?
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if properly stored most fish travels well
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 24, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get the righties in!
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty nasty change from Cookies to get Zobrist.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PAT THE BAT!!!!
Oh wait…
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wanted Pat to get on track… it just would’ve been nice if he’d waited a couple of days.
by PhillyFriar on Jun 24, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patrick does his thing.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You think we should start mentioning Garza’s no-hitter good pitching?
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a concern on pitch count, really? 47 pitches with no outs in the 4th is a fair amount.
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For What? To Win.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Annnnnnnd they’re loaded.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who needs to hit when you can walk?
Oh, and GREAT walk by Howard who normally swings at that.
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eff you Werth.
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, what a terrible, terrible at bat. Swinging at the first pitch off a guy who just walked the bases loaded? Awful.
by PhillyFriar on Jun 24, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EMERGENCY EMERGENCY!!!
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stairs is out of order.
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For What? To Win.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stairs is out and the Phillies blow a golden op.
by Ritty77 on Jun 24, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really….after three straight walks, Werth swings at the first farkin’ pitch.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whitey and HK are looking down, shaking their heads, dismayed
by Ritty77 on Jun 24, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still no hits.
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For What? To Win.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am sick and tired of Werth batting. I don’t believe we have a worse clutch hitter other than Jroll on this team. Why are we not DH him and let Joe hit for himself. I cannot imagine he could do worse! Do you?
by DeanH on Jun 24, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I do, there is no such thing as clutch and you are speaking completely on emotion with no real rational thought behind it.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is such a thing as clutch, but not such a thing as ‘clutchiness’ – something that a lot of people will conflate.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clutch = luck, no need for a useless word.
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I was thinking of the left-most pedal in my car ;)
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re not funny, and trust me, if anyone knows not funny, it’s me ;)
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 24, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes two of us.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness, though, I think ‘clutch’ is more than just mere luck. But I will certainly concede that it is a retroactive manner of describing a particular event that contributed to a good outcome.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting the hit takes skill. Being in the situation to get a “clutch” hit takes luck.
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but I am also saying that it is the observer who makes the declaration of ‘clutch’ rather than the participant himself.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over the course of an entire season, the sample size of measures of “clutchness” — or like the reviled GWRBI or more respected measures such as avg/obp/ops with RISP in late innings — is significant enough for most starters to separate the all-stars from the roster fillers. So yes, there is luck, but there is something else going on when guys continue to be tough outs, to get big hits, even for bad teams with lousy team OBP.
by Wet Luzinski on Jun 24, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until someone starts attaching electrodes to peoples heads during ‘clutch’ situations to dtermine any kind of ‘mental make up’ difference it’s just going to be some sort of vague thing…you can’t measure anyones mental approach not really – and i would think any idea of ‘clutchness’ would be a mental approach during the ‘higher leveraged’ situations or how the mind responds
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 24, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I notice more when someone lacks clutchiness though.
by Ritty77 on Jun 24, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perception is not truth
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 24, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but you would never know that from the way our society acts.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, a guy grounds into a double play, and now we’re blaming society?
by Wet Luzinski on Jun 24, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, just commenting on the popular notion that ‘perception is reality’…i think we kind of got off the Werth topic.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idiots run the asylum – it all flows down from there
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 24, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just went over to Fangraphs to see the valley. It literally had dropped to even after Howard’s walk, and then shot up to even greater probability of a Rays win after Werth-less’ godawful DP
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A hit!
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The MEts are up 4-0 with 1 major league hitter in their lineup.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This game is flying.
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
4 straight backward K’s for Cookies.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Other than one grooved fastball to Pat, Blanton has pitched a very good game.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rofl ,Werth is the Phillie of the week.
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For What? To Win.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looked more like a golf swing. Rollins is pretty useless.
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And speaking of clutch, here comes Mr. Pop-Up Fresh, with the fly out trifecta – foul out, pop up (inf), line drive (of). The pop fly cycle is to the warning track.
I do recall that last week he actually bunted, successfully, for a hit down the third base line.
by Wet Luzinski on Jun 24, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he actually walked once or twice too.
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For What? To Win.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, one game, I think it happened twice. I gave myself a present.
by Wet Luzinski on Jun 24, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More damage, huh Charlie?
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For What? To Win.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I soothsay an annoying Utley step-out/time out battle to attempt to rattle Garza.
by Wet Luzinski on Jun 24, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I daresay, I soothsay incorrectly. Meh and double-meh.
by Wet Luzinski on Jun 24, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wow, Weth’s worst game ever. Lucky him…
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Have they announced the attendance yet?
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The bat is up…with 2 on.
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoever it was that said last night that the offensive explosion was just a stopover before the continuance of the malaise was very prescient.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a homer? Sounds good to me.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or we are getting stronger!
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stairs gets a hit. Come on Dobbs!
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Feliz hasn’t gotten an RBI since the Boston series.
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Martinez?
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can start to like this Joe Blanton.
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope the PHils score atleast to tie the game. Joe is pitching very good tonight!
by DeanH on Jun 24, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jowza. Send that guy a dozen cupcakes.
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For What? To Win.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have not watched the whole game but it looks like the umpiring is even good tonight. Is that correct?
by DeanH on Jun 24, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Garza in for the 8th….let’s get him.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rah rah rah!
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For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know, I forgot the pom poms.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, Jimmy, time to go deep here.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE PEDS TO JIMMY ROLLINS. PLEASE!
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy Rollins’ BA is still greater than Alex Rodriguez’s!
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For What? To Win.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does Charlie not realize that Blanton has to pitch in September, too?
WTF? Why send him out there for the eighth?
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by RememberthePhitans on Jun 24, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but...
…the folks at BP like to say that the pendulum has shifted too far the other direction with respect to pitch counts right now, and this was a good example.
Sure, Blanton was on 115 pitches, but he wasn’t laboring, he’d just had an easy inning, and was pitching very well. He’s not 22 years old — he can go more than 130 pitches under the right circumstances.
by PhillyFriar on Jun 24, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant more than 120 pitches. I thought I remember reading that 140 or thereabouts should be the absolute cap.
by PhillyFriar on Jun 24, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ruh Roh.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, Charlie obviously is reading TGP
A little late though, chuckles.
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by RememberthePhitans on Jun 24, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, this don’t look no good.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Stairs
Defensive genius!
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by RememberthePhitans on Jun 24, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, can’t believe they got him.
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For What? To Win.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great block by Ruiz….great throw by Stairs.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he was safe…
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was wrong.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“The 40 Year Old Cannon”
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the problem with Condrey being out. I suppose Charlie could go to Durbin right now instead, but either way, he can’t let Romero pitch to Burrell.
by PhillyFriar on Jun 24, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, Cholly is pissed, just judging from the way he took the ball from Romero – didn’t even make eye contact with him.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hello, Pat
You knew there had to be a moment like this in this series. I’m kind of looking forward to how it resolves, one way or the other.
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by RememberthePhitans on Jun 24, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know Pat will make him throw strikes.
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by RememberthePhitans on Jun 24, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rollins is an effing idiot.
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by RememberthePhitans on Jun 24, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
do something, anything right ya jackass
by AllPhillySport on Jun 24, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that was a brain fart
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was ridiculously bad.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And the flood gates open...
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by RememberthePhitans on Jun 24, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, well, it was a good game. What a shitty inning. Seriously.
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
whenever we lose close ones
..its by some dumb infield fuck up then the next batter gets a big hit
by AllPhillySport on Jun 24, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jelly Roll’s mental lapse is worth the benching, in addition to his .210 average.
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by WanderingMoses on Jun 24, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what the f is wrong with Romero and the walks?
After this, the Phils will be up 1.5 games with the worst pitching staff in the league. One thing I’ve learned over the past three years is to never count this team out.
by phillynyc on Jun 24, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Werth prolonging the agony
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 24, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really, called him out on that?
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by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s got somewhere to be?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 24, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy....
I really feel like his career is over, hes full of himself ever since he had his “MVP” season. Thing is, they won’t be able to get much for him, and I know there’s no chance they will trade him. I just hope Jason Donald comes back strong from his injury and really proves hes as good as hes suppose to be.
by Ant on Jun 24, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is silly on many levels.
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How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jun 24, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha silly is such a great word to describe it
by Whack8888 on Jun 24, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sunshine
happiness and ….
oh wait, we lost. Well, I always try and look at the bright side of things, and the bright side tonight is that Blanton pitched pretty well, we basicaly lost to Pat the Bat (well good for him I guess) and the guys were relatively patient and had good at bats.
Another high point was the outfield defense. Damn them Werth catches were awesome. Victorino had a nice catch as well.
It really stings that the lowly Mets beat the Cardinals, but that is the way things go.
As far as the Rollins career is over silliness, I would suggest reading a bunch of Mets posts about D Wright, Reyes or perhaps even Beltran and then you will realize how idiotic that is!
It is a loss and it sucks but lets be real for half a second. We are 1/1/2 games ahead of the Mets and most of our bull pen is crying from pain.
Bold Predictions:
Phillies win NL East, beat dodgers in NL (final thing), go to WS and win against the Oakland A’s (haha)
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