Amaro's legacy about to be written...

by jonk on Jul 20, 2009 10:52 AM EDT

Half way through his first year as GM.

If he fails on Halladay and someone else gets him, Amaro (fair or not) will be crushed.

If he overpays for Halladay and we win...success.

I want to see if Amaro can pull off a good trade and I don't care about the end result (in terms of evaluating the trade).

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The really perverse thing is that if he overpays for Halladay and we don’t win it all, people will still say he succeeded.

Then, if five years down the road, we get burned on the prospects we gave up, people will pretend they never clamored for the trade to begin with.

by taco pal on Jul 20, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions

Studs!

Taylor and Drabek are studs. I would not involve them in any trade Ruben!!

mark ferraro

by ginzo on Jul 20, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions

& Happ

why trade a good young pichter for an old great pitcher

by sports00fan00 on Jul 20, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

That dpeends on how much of Happs performance is good pitching and how much is luck

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by jemagee on Jul 20, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions

remember how Kendrick did his first year up?

by Ben16 on Jul 20, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah but

Kendrick won games, never dominated. This kid seems to dominate games and barely let opponents past 2nd base.

by boknows71 on Jul 20, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions

i agree. He does seem to have it together but its still first first full season. Hopefully he continues to pitch the way he has. It will be interesting to see how he does next year (if he is still here) when the teams have already seen what he has, much like kendrick.

by Ben16 on Jul 20, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Except that now there are some numbers to back up the fact that maybe it’s luck and he’s not as dominant as you think

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by jemagee on Jul 20, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions

i like happ, dont get me wrong but i do feel like he will never be a clean cut number 1 pitcher… my guess is a consistent 3 guy +/- 1 spot… but hey we might be able to lock him up at a reasonable price for a consistent guy and id take that.

by worldphuckinchamps on Jul 21, 2009 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions

Amaro’s legacy is defined in his first half season as a GM??

A little ridiculous don’t you think??

Did we not learn anything from Gillick? Werth, Moyer, Lidge, Rowand, Feliz, Blanton…Which one of those moves were on the Halladay level?? We left Sabathia on the table, and still managed to ruin him and the team that traded for him at the deadline.

by BreckBirds20 on Jul 20, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions

I don’t think you fully understood the post.

by taco pal on Jul 20, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Right...

Was Gillick crushed last season for not getting CC?

by BreckBirds20 on Jul 20, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions

It wasn’t written as clearly as it could have been, but given the context, especially the last sentence of the post, my reading is that “crushed” is supposed to refer to public perception. His point was that Amaro will be heavily criticized if he doesn’t trade for Halladay, not necessarily that Amaro should trade for Halladay.

by taco pal on Jul 20, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions

This is a fanpost, does it have to be written so eloquently?

Yeah, crushed by fan/media perception. It has nothing to do with CC since CC wasn’t hyped here nor did we have the pieces to pick him up.

For Who? My teammates.

For What? To Win.

How Much? Where do I sign?

by jonk on Jul 20, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions

The phillies seemed better positioned last year than they are this year, plus they were freakishly healthy, which they aren’t this year – if the ‘hope’ the ‘non halladay guys’ have is that happ can continue to measure this continued level of luck in his pitching – well – remember that when he comes back to earth

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by jemagee on Jul 20, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions

healthy

whos hurt? myers .. he sucks .. we are basically healthy now

by jack is better than asante on Jul 23, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions

if we don't care

about end results, can’t we just call Amaro a failure and be done with it? To tell you the truth, I thought we already did that…

by PhDave on Jul 21, 2009 12:23 AM EDT reply actions

I’m still confused by the premise…a legacy can’t be written until the time is done. If the phillies win a couple more titles, and consistently contend under the ‘amaro stewardship’ with or without obtaining Halladay I’d have to think his legacy would be fine and dandy.

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Jul 23, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions