Phillies Breakfast Links, July 27, 2009: Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Pedro Martinez in the Rain
by WholeCamels on Jul 27, 2009 8:26 AM EDT
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Phillies also have an eye on Indians’ Cliff Lee
I could live with this.
Note that both Washburn and Lee are lefthanders, which would give the Phillies a decidedly lopsided rotation. But both are good pitchers and both can be had.
Ugh, I don't want to make a trade unless it represents a major upgrade; Cliff Lee yes, Jarrod Washburn no.
Baseball Daily Dose: Bedard Hits the DL Again
Well, there goes that option.
Roy Halladay saga: All talk, still no action
I do feel bad for the guy; I remember when our star players had to go through this process.
crashburnalley.com - I Do Not Like Julio Lugo
Neither do I.
Minor Leagues: Flande, Reading blank Bowie
Yohan Flande struck out seven in six innings while allowing just four hits to earn his first double-A victory as the Reading Phillies shut out the Bowie Baysox, 2-0, in the Eastern League last night.
Pedro Martinez has rain-shortened start with Phillies' minor leaguers
But if there was any disappointment that his first game appearance since Sept. 25 of last year, excluding his stint in the World Baseball Classic this spring, was abruptly cut short after 1 1/3 innings by a heavy downpour, he didn't show it. "You want me to sing a song? Blame it on the rain . . . " he warbled. "I'm satisfied. I'm not going to go against Mother Nature. You want me to sing a song? Blame it on the rain . . . " he warbled. "I'm satisfied. I'm not going to go against Mother Nature."
Again: I friggin' love this guy.
Red-hot Victorino helps set table for teammates
Yes, he's "peaking,", but he's awfully damn good right now.
Blanton, below-the-radar trade pickup of a year ago, continues to prosper for Phillies
Another guy who's peaking, but it's not like he never had the talent. He was a first-round pick.
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If it takes Moyer out of the rotation and leaves us Happ and most of our big time prospects, I have no problem with a decent upgrade. This offense doesn’t NEED Halladay.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Jul 27, 2009 8:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree, & we should get a righty
I’d like to see Aaron Harang in a Phills Jersey
by sports00fan00 on Jul 27, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, we could probably get Harang for a bag of balls IF we agree to eat his salary. And that’s the problem, no one wants to take on his salary.
Speaking of which, I wonder if the Phils could accelerate a Halladay trade if they take Vernon Wells and his massive salary. Not that they would, just wondering how happy the Jays would be to unload Wells.
by The R on Jul 27, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck, Jays would probably give us Halladay for free if we agreed to take Wells. I’m exaggerating a little, but not a lot.
by taco pal on Jul 27, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
philly.com:
Threshers manager Ernie Whitt said Martinez’ fastball was consistently 87 to 90 mph. A scout watching from behind the plate said it topped out at 92.
The best pitch he threw was the changeup he used to strikeout Mets first baseman Stefan Welch to end the first inning.
by phils11 on Jul 27, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Lee...
but he’s had only one tremendous season following ho-hum to decent seasons his entire career. A risk, but a far less costly option.
by NowWhat? on Jul 27, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haven’t checked recently but last I looked (about a month ago) he was having a very good season with poor run support,
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by jemagee on Jul 27, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that’s correct. Which is odd, because the Indians actually have a pretty decent offense. Seems like they only score when their crappy guys are on the mound, and never for Lee. No wonder why their record (41-58) is so much worse than their Pythagorean W-L (47-52).
by taco pal on Jul 27, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I have him on my fantasy team. He almost always has a good line, but 99.9% of the time hes the hard luck loser.
I still think the price is going to be too high for him though because the Indians think they have a legit shot to win thier division next year (which they do).
by philiafan14364 on Jul 27, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you’re telling me he loses 99.9% of the time?
by FuquaManuel on Jul 27, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then...
Maybe he won’t do so bad here after all?
by NowWhat? on Jul 27, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very brief series preview
Since we don’t have MattS to kick around anymore.
We have all three of our lefties going against the Snakes this week. Arizona has four LH batters in their starting eight (Stephen Drew, Gerardo Parra, Josh Whitesell/Chad Tracy, and Miguel Montero), and all of them struggle against lefties, so we’ve got that going for us. On the other hand, two of their four RH hitters (Justin Upton and Mark Reynolds) kill lefties.
Despite having a young lineup that strikes out a lot, most of them are also pretty good at drawing walks, so they might not be as good a matchup for Jamie Moyer tonight as you might think. Keep an eye on Raul Ibanez tonight: he’s faced Jon Garland many many times in his career and is .356/.406/.576 against him.
Tomorrow is Cole Hamels vs. Dan Haren. Must see TV.
On Wednesday, we get to face Yusmeiro Petit, who we ought to chop up pretty good.
by taco pal on Jul 27, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha
theres no way they take carrasco and donald for leee .. they want as much as blue jays want for halladay .. if we could get lee for happ carrasco and donald .i would say do it .. but more than likely it would take brown or drabek
by jack is better than asante on Jul 27, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Halladay's too costly, & Lee's another Lefty
We should go after Harang, Haren, or another star righty.
by sports00fan00 on Jul 27, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cause they’re available?
You think halladay is too costly – what’s haren going to cost (i’m assuming we mean the one not on the cubs)
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by jemagee on Jul 27, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
u assumed right
Haren might have a high price tag, but we should at least get a price. I just don’t want to give up to much or bring in another lefty
by sports00fan00 on Jul 27, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haren's projected cost
Drabek + Brown + Taylor + Victorino + Happ + Carrasco + Marson ++++
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by WholeCamels on Jul 27, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, pretty much. Not only is Haren much younger and under contract for longer, but he’s arguably just better than Halladay straight up, right now.
by taco pal on Jul 27, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s ind of what i figured :)
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by jemagee on Jul 27, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say we just blow out the farm system and get em both. Riccardi will get desperate eventually so we can give him the top flight minus drabek, then package a lesser prospect deal with drabek to get lee. Who cares about the farm, just give Toronto and Cleveland the keys to the Lehigh and Reading clubhouses.
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by tam5070 on Jul 27, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
then package a lesser prospect deal with drabek to get lee. ,
GOd I hope you’re kidding
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by jemagee on Jul 27, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah ok
make cleveland & toronto duke it out for 4 prospects each. we already proposed 3 of our top 5 & Happ to Toronto & they said no. Lee will have a similar asking price. So unless you want to trade a starting fielder or two keep dreaming
by sports00fan00 on Jul 27, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
make that goddam trade already
If Drabek and Brown were that freaking good, they would be on the team!! The team is peaking now and with Halliday and the lineup we have, we would be World Series favorites for the next few years. MAKE THE TRADE!!!!
by chickenshack on Jul 27, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah – that makes sense
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by jemagee on Jul 27, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and while we’re at it, let’s also go ahead and disband all the minor league affiliates altogether!! Think of how much money we’ll save!!!! I mean, if any of those minor leaguers were any good, they would have just gone straight to the big leagues right out of school!!!!
by taco pal on Jul 27, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Happ.
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by WholeCamels on Jul 27, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you read the petite comparisons coming out recently?
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by jemagee on Jul 27, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was making an ill-advised Anchorman joke, but yes I have. And I can see where they’re coming from — composed but only relatively talented left-hander benefits from pitching on team with incredible offense.
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by WholeCamels on Jul 27, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really love Happ or are you just looking at names in trade rumors and saying that you love them?
by SJPhillyVT on Jul 27, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Donald. I love… Stutes.
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by WholeCamels on Jul 27, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taco, are you just looking at names on the rosters and saying that you love them?
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by jemagee on Jul 27, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HALLADAY HAS BEAUTIFUL EYES AND HIS HAIR SMELLS LIKE CINNAMON
by SJPhillyVT on Jul 27, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Drabek and Brown were that freaking good, they would be on the team!! The team is peaking now and with Halliday and the lineup we have, we would be World Series favorites for the next few years. MAKE THE TRADE!!!!
While I disagree with the first part of your statement, I certainly agree with the second part of it. This isn’t a team that’s going to be together for the next 10 years. Their window is maybe 4-5 years and that’s a generous assessment. Does anyone here really think guys like Ryan Howard, Jayson Werth, Joe Blanton, and maybe even Shane Victorino are going to be here for the long haul? Of course not – that’s just the business side of the game. If we get Halladay, we’d be odds on favorites to win the Series this year and next year at the very least – period.
I’m sure Drabek and Brown has all the potential in the world. That said, so did Tyler Green, Bruce Ruffin, Jeff Stone, Von Hayes, and the list goes on and on. I’d be more than willing to trade POTENTIAL for a SURE THING and Halladay is as sure a thing as you’re going to find in baseball today.
by mrf510 on Jul 27, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So our team is getting older… and you want to solve this problem by giving away all our prospects who might someday replace them in exchange for even more guys who are getting old? Yeah, that makes lots of sense.
Halladay is a sure thing for 1 year and 2 months. Prospects have potential to be good for many years. Don’t be an idiot.
by taco pal on Jul 27, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
taylor
i think taylor is a sure thing right now and would be an upgrade from victorino
by jack is better than asante on Jul 27, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which friend told you this?
By the way – to the other fella – last I heard ‘a few’ was more than 2 – halladay isn’t signed past next season, and jimmy rollins is getting older…and so is ibanez.
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by jemagee on Jul 27, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You hate Victorino
WE GET IT.
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by WholeCamels on Jul 27, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you smoking?
Victorino is an All Star? The top asked for person by other teams on the Phils. And Taylor is an upgrade? This is one of the dumbest things I have read in a very long time!
by DeanH on Jul 27, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Taylor would come up right now, play all start caliber CF and lead the league in hits and runs? Right now he would do that?
Because that’s the only way he would be an upgrade over Victorino.
by JasonB on Jul 27, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, I’m totally on board the Halladay bandwagon. I say just get it done. If it takes Drabek, so be it.
Actually, I wonder if this isn’t part of the Phils’ game plan. Kyle Drabek has been elevated to this mythic figure, a can’t miss ace… By refusing to even discuss him they’ve made the Jays want him even more… So on the last day or so they offer up Drabek and a watered down package and the Jays bite.
I hope so…
by JasonB on Jul 27, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Halladay:TGF::Slavery:1860's USA
Seriously guys….
Here’s what is boils down to….you trade the prospects now for Halladay and you have a team that SHOULD (not “would”) win the division the next couple of years and be eligible for post-season play, where it becomes a crap shoot, and you might win, or you might not. Three years later, we’ll return to 4th place in the division, and none of us will care about the Phillies after the ASG and we’ll be salivating over the first pre-season Eagles game.
If you don’t trade for Halladay, you keep together an excellent farm system that can hopefully replace the likes of Utley, Rollins, Ibanez, etc…as they age. That team SHOULD contend for the division for the foreseeable future depending upon how much money the Mets spend and how hurt they are.
Pick a side, but that’s pretty much where it’s at. While Larry Bowa may have been a divisive figure to the fan base as well, the Phils usually were still alive going into the last week of the season (not always) which is way better than 1994-1999. I prefer to have baseball season matter into September.
Trade for Halladay if the price is right, but don’t go hunting for a third mortgage.
by Bilzo on Jul 28, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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