Carlos Carrasco scratched from scheduled start for Lehigh Valley; Lou Marson, Jason Donald out of lineup
11:05 am game time.
Interesting...
EDIT: Marson, Donald off-days were previously scheduled, per Todd Zolecki.
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A package for Cliff Lee?
And we get Victor Martinez too?
by David S. Cohen on Jul 29, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice right hand bat
in martinez
by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who could it be
Good for Donald, he needed to go somewhere else to get a good shot at the bigs.
Lou Marson, might have come up in a year or two, as a back up, but we still have ruiz.
Carrasco is interesting, if Happ is also in the deal it might be for Cliff Lee, I don’t see a Halladay deal getting done this soon after the offer the Redsox put up.
by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The offer the Red Sox allegedly put up.
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by WholeCamels on Jul 29, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carrasco, Marson, Donald
That seems like a package for Lee, not Halladay, even if Happ were included. But, who knows? Maybe they all were out drinking last night and have come down with “flu like symptoms.”
by David S. Cohen on Jul 29, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to tell if pitchers are scratched if they don't start
Happ could be a part of this package and would be an OK haul for Halladay
by ManifestDestiny on Jul 29, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Marson might just be day-game-after-night-game rest.
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by WholeCamels on Jul 29, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but all 3 at once would be a hell of a coincidence.
by JasonB on Jul 29, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy King was on WIP saying how a GM rarely plays a player close to be traded.
No way Carrasco misses a start with out being sick.
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by yophillybro on Jul 29, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Package them for lee, then ship off drabek brown knapp and friends for halladay. WFCx3
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by tam5070 on Jul 29, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Toronto has an ‘early’ game in Seattle today – let me know when halladay is scratched from that start ok?:)
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha
that would be interesting
by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indian scouts in Lehigh, they must be coming to see Taylor
Maybe they are undecided on Brown or Taylor. And want to finilize the choice.
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by yophillybro on Jul 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kendrick in the deal
http://www.thegoodphight.com/2009/7/29/967242/cliff-lee-rumors-tuesday-mlb
Thanks IndianEagle
by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Um…sure…Kendrick is an important piece
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We shoulda listened to Myers and had KK on that flight to Japan.
by andyreidswaistline on Jul 29, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they’ve just had enough of Paul Bako?:)
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Twitter is just the fuel for stupid rumors.
Check this out
RT @cmsb Rumor from source Phils minor league organization-Cliff Lee traded to Phillies for Carrasco, Marson, and Donald. Stay tuned…’
3 names scratched – suddenly 3 names traded for cliff lee :)
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN is now reporting that the Lee trade is imminent
by wildcatlh on Jul 29, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s quite some dot connecting – it’s as valid as dudes tweet :)
If scouts are there – why scratch the guy – wouldn’t they want to see him pitch?
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No they already decided on him, they are there to scout Taylor
You sit the pitcher, so he can start for the new teams farm system soon.
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by yophillybro on Jul 29, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda odd
“Three Cleveland scouts — including the club’s director of player personnel, Steve Lubratich, were in Lehigh Valley to watch the Phillies’ Triple-A team play an 11 a.m. ET game.”
What good is their being in Lehigh today if we pull the players they’re looking at?
by David S. Cohen on Jul 29, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. Does this point to the player who is in the lineup (Michael Taylor)?
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carrasco and Taylor? That’s not enough for Lee is it?
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check the title (not the title of the article, the title on top of your browser)
by wildcatlh on Jul 29, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha. But even there it only says it “may be” imminent, not “is” imminent.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zoelcki tweet
Heard Marson and Donald had been scheduled to have today’s game (which started at 11 a.m. ET) off.
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense. Since Marson’s a catcher and Donald is just coming off injury rehab.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot more sense than 3 mediocre prospects for cliff lee :)
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, makes total sense. Donald’s just back from injury, and it’s a day game after a night game for Marson. Carrasco being scratched is the only odd part here.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 29, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless there’s something wrong with Lopez & Pedro isn’t ready…
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The articles (at least from ESPN) say that “Carrasco has been scratched”, versus “Carrasco, Donald and Marson have been scratched”
Hopefully we know something soon.
And I’d be quite happy getting Cliff Lee.
by wildcatlh on Jul 29, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whole Camels is a rumor monger
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Carrasco getting scratched is major news, regardless.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Jul 29, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But yet there are many possible reasons
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course there are. Again: I report, you deride.
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by WholeCamels on Jul 29, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But so close to the trade deadline when his name is been part of multiple rumors… It’s worth mentioning.
by JasonB on Jul 29, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maype happ is getting traded and Carrasco got scratched so he could join the Phils and pitch tonight in Happs place?
by Bilzo on Jul 29, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From the updated ESPN article...
According to sources who have spoken with officials of both clubs, they’ve discussed a variety of packages for Lee. One potential package is believed to include Carrasco, a top position-player prospect yet to be determined and two hard-throwing Class A pitchers, Jason Knapp and Trevor May.
So Carrasco, Knapp, May, and Taylor?
by wildcatlh on Jul 29, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s a lot of pitching to give up. I love May.
OTOH, we’d keep our three best prospects and add another big-time arm. That’s a win.
by dajafi on Jul 29, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t say I like it, but I guess I don’t despise it either. You all know my tendencies, so that probably means everybody else would love it.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense, and the mystery position player prospect would almost have to be Taylor — they wouldn’t want Marson with Carlos Santana on hand, and Donald’s stock is way down at this point.
But here’s a question: would you rather give up that package for Lee, or (hypothetically) Drabek, Brown, Carrasco and d’Arnaud for Halladay? It’s a tough call, but I’d lean toward surrendering the latter to get the best pitcher in baseball.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 29, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had to choose, I’d choose the former. Lee’s two years younger and, at least at one point, was open to signing an extension with Cleveland.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, there’s the chance of a Hamels, Lee, Blanton, Happ, Drabek rotation next year.
by JasonB on Jul 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
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by yophillybro on Jul 29, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One year of AA pitching after Tommy John surgery – i think the odds of Drabek being ready next year are low
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this. I think the ideal ETA for Drabek would be Opening Day 2011.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just in response to my own point above: keeping Taylor out of this deal is, in my mind, HUGE. I would have balked at giving up a Taylor/Knapp led package (with Carrasco thrown in) for Lee when we thought a Brown/Drabek led package (with Carrasco thrown in) would fetch Halladay — the difference between the packages wasn’t so great that you couldn’t justify just pulling the trigger on Halladay. But to keep all the guys we kept, and still get an ace… well, that’s a coup.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s a lot. I like Cliff Lee but I don’t know if he can sustain his low HR/FB ratio (6.7 according to Hardball Times, 5.8 according to FanGraphs), especially in our park. Adjusting for that and he’s got a 4.09 xFIP. He’d get a boost by going to the NL and obviously he’s an upgrade, but why make this deal today when they’re not out of the Halladay sweepstakes? The Buchholz, Bowden, Westmoreland offer was debunked last night, and the market for Halladay doesn’t seem that crowded. The Angels, Dodgers, and Yankees would all have to trade Major Leaguers to land him, the Rangers weren’t thrilled with the Jays offer and would need them to take payroll anyway. And if Carrasco was scratched because a deal may be close but Taylor wasn’t, does that mean Brown is the position player?
by phila on Jul 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with a lot of what you’ve said here. It just doesn’t make sense to me to pull the trigger on a Cliff Lee deal unless you’re convinced that Halladay isn’t happening. Take my hypothetical above: which situation would you rather prefer?
Trade for Cliff Lee
Farm system still has: Drabek, Brown, Marson, Donald, d’Arnaud, etc.
Trade for Roy Halladay
Farm system still has: Taylor, Knapp, Marson, Donald, May, etc.
I’d spring for the latter. I don’t think the step down from Drabek/Brown to Taylor/Knapp is so large that you’d pass up trading for the best pitcher in baseball. But maybe that’s just me.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 29, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno about that. The difference between Lakewood and Reading is a big one. And even though Drabek’s had TJ, the success rate from TJ is pretty good these days. I think Knapp could still be a greater injury risk just by virtue of the fact that he’s only 19 and there’s so much more time for things to go wrong.
Plus there are the age and re-signing issues.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re making too much of the age and re-signing issues. I doubt the Phillies re-sign either Lee or Halladay — you make the trade because you get an in-his-prime pitcher to pair with your outstanding lineup for the next two playoff runs. The organization has shown its unwillingness to go beyond 3 years in signing pitchers, and I flat out don’t think either of those guys is signing for 3 years when they can clearly get more on the open market.
My point is this: if you have a chance to trade for the best pitcher in baseball at a cost that’s relatively affordable, then why in God’s name wouldn’t you do it? Our farm system would still be in good shape under such a proposed deal.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 29, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know that what’s left in the organization should be the main consideration here. We have a fairly deep farm system now, which is great, but the most important question is still what we’re giving up, not what we’re going to have left afterwards. And Drabek, I think, is just a much better prospect than Knapp.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I think deep is ‘relative’ – sure it’s deep related to history but I still think overall it’s a middle of the pack organization – i know blanton was good and all but i’d feel comfortable if cardenas was still here cause if jimmy ages there are currently no prospects in the system to replace him.
There’s no solid 3rd base prospect and the catcher prospects all seem to have dried up (it seems) versus last season when the phils were flush with catching prospects.
a couple good (but relatively light on innings) prospects and two quality OF prospects doesn’t smell deep to me – smells better than in the past – but not deep
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, OK, but that just makes my point stronger.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The catcher comment
is true for almost every team in baseball. The only prospect shakier than a pitcher is the kid catching him. Of the team in the Halladay fiasco, the Phillies have the best chips.
by Cormican on Jul 29, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expressed that poorly, but you’re right that what you have left shouldn’t be the main consideration.
But it seems like you’re in the camp that just doesn’t want to give up Drabek for Halladay. Can I ask why?
by PhillyFriar on Jul 29, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have any sort of categorical view on Drabek. This is mainly driven by the fact that I don’t think Halladay is as valuable as the conventional wisdom says he is, for reasons we’ve discussed in great depth on other threads. Drawing the line between what you’ll give up and what you won’t is an inexact science, but I’m just going by CW that says Drabek is either #1 or #1A on our top prospects lists and combining that with the fact that we’ll probably have a greater need for pitching in the near future than hitting. But I’m not that much more willing to give up Brown or Taylor either.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that pitching is a more pressing concern in the near future than hitting is, but if we assume arguendo that we can swing a deal for Halladay that includes Drabek and not Happ, then we’re looking at a Top 4 in Halladay/Hamels/Blanton/Happ that’s under control through the end of next year — and the latter three are under control through 2011 or longer. Pitching is always a need, but it’s not that pressing that we can’t afford to deal Drabek.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 29, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing about pitching being a more pressing concern is mainly just my basis for differentiating between Drabek and Brown. For either guy, I think their potential value (not just the ceiling, but the median likeliest outcome) for the 2011-16 period is so large that it makes it difficult for me to justify a trade for Halladay, who is great, but whose value for us would in my view only be slightly better than the value of a one-year rental.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, if Lee can be extended, he might be more valuable than Halladay straight up.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d lean for the former but I wouldn’t be thrilled with either deal straight up. But Taylor, Carrasco, Knapp, and May is a lot to give up for Cliff Lee. But I’m convinced the Phillies are right not to trade Drabek and Brown for Halladay. I keep coming back to the Haren trade: the Dbacks gave up two highly touted prospects, but Carlos Gonzalez had a major red flag: he was already 22 at the time of the trade and his approach at the plate was not good. That’s a lot more risk than is built into a Drabek/Brown package, IMO. And even though Haren was more like a very good number 2 starter at the time, he was under contract for 3 full years.
by phila on Jul 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mariners scratched a AAA catcher
Said he’s about to get traded
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/
by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I cut myself shaving this morning, but I don’t think i’m getting traded
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll say it again, August 1st can’t come fast enough
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"i'm so excited!"
(pineapple express reference, for those who have seen it)
by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Washburn
with the missing of big name prospects dont you think the phillies could be trading for washburn? the phils did have scouts in seattle watching him and a triple A catcher was taken out of the line up because supposedly he is about to be traded.
by The Ghost of W.P.C. Past on Jul 29, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t want Washburn. Yuck.
by FuquaManuel on Jul 29, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think I’d rather have Rodrigo Lopez.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or the AAA catchers was taken out of the line up cause he caught last night and day game after night game is a common day off for a catcher?
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously…a AAA catcher? don’t we already have 3 of those?
by Bilzo on Jul 29, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Could Be For Sherrill
If the Phillies can’t get Halladay or Lee, their next choice might be to strengthen their bullpen, and attempt to trade for Baltimore reliever George Sherrill, sources told ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney. The Phillies have had talks with Philadelphia about the left-hander, and the Orioles have been scouting Carrasco.
From the immiment article
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4363553
by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
one theory
is that they’re going to deal Carrasco for Sherrill and still try to get something done for Halladay.
As I think jem pointed out upthread, Halladay has a start this afternoon in Seattle. If he’s scratched, we’ll know something’s up there.
by dajafi on Jul 29, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would explain why Taylor is still in the lineup. But wow, how far has Carrasco’s stock fallen in the past year so Sherrill is the most you could get? How much more would Qualls cost then?
by phila on Jul 29, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which, I would think, makes this a terrible time to trade Carrasco. He’s at an all-time low right now, but it’s not like his ceiling as a prospect has gone down at all.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, don’t trade him, because he’s still just 22 and has a good track record but I think there are legitimate concerns that he makes bad situations worse. Kevin Goldstein cited his ridiculous splits with the bases empty, runners on, and RISP. (http://phuturephillies.com/2009/07/02/prospect-qa-with-kevin-goldstein-2/).
by phila on Jul 29, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a fair point. I just think that’s a solvable problem (if it isn’t just bad luck to begin with).
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s also a 2 1/2 year old article :)
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops, that was the wrong link.
Goldstein interview was from a month ago: http://phuturephillies.com/2009/07/02/prospect-qa-with-kevin-goldstein-2/
by phila on Jul 29, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s related to a lot of things, getting too cute with his pitches, not trusting his stuff, not trusting his defense, all kinds of things. I still love the arm and the stuff that comes out of it, but at the same time, this has been something on his scouting reports for years now, and there’s been no change.
So – has anyone on the phillies developmental staff talked to carrasco about it – again – the development of pitchers and curing of their ‘problems’ (or lack there of) concerns me.
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they go from two quality starters to a fungible reliever?
Hell to the No
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kinda killed the excitement
my bad
by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox sports just reported this, though very ambiguous
Phils’ prospect at center of Lee talks — 11:10 a.m.
To trade Roy Halladay, the Blue Jays want the Phillies to part with both left-hander J.A. Happ and right-hander Kyle Drabek.
The Phillies might get Indians left-hander Cliff Lee without trading either pitcher.
Class A right-hander Jason Knapp is the centerpiece of the Phillies’ offer for Lee, a major-league source says.
Knapp, who does not turn 19 until Aug. 31, is currently sidelined with shoulder stiffness, and much further away from the majors than Happ and Drabek.
One scout, however, says Knapp’s upside is greater than Drabek’s, calling the 6-foot-5, 215-pound righty a “Halladay clone.”
The Phillies would need to add other quality prospects to obtain Lee. They are also in the mix for Mariners left-hander Jarrod Washburn.
by The Ghost of W.P.C. Past on Jul 29, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Amaro makes a trade for Washburn, it will reek of one of those “trading for the sake of trading so people can’t say I did nothing” deals.
by FuquaManuel on Jul 29, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Color me shocked if the Indians accept Jason Knapp and a hitting prospect in exchange for Cliff Lee. It would be a pretty good deal for us, but I figured the Indians would want some prospects closer to the majors.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not to clear on how good Lee is,
Maybe peaple are afraid he is a one year wonder. I sure am.
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by yophillybro on Jul 29, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And why is that?
Look past his won loss record
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he isn’t a one-year wonder. But as a serious question, what exactly happened to Lee in 2007? Was he pitching hurt?
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One theory (and two swag bucks – woo hoo)
http://www.dugoutcentral.com/blog/?p=2047
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think he started the season in 2007 with an oblique strain & was never right after that.
*sigh*
by zempf on Jul 29, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that is actually true, I’ll happily do the deal for Lee over the deal for Halladay.
by JasonB on Jul 29, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To sum up
Other teams have some pitchers. The Phillies have some prospects. The Phillies are talking to other teams while their pitchers and our prospects continue to play games or sit out of games.
That’s about all we know, right?
by David S. Cohen on Jul 29, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fox Sports again!!
Phils lead Lee race; Dodgers plan a push — 11:41 a.m.
The Phillies look like the front-runners for Indians left-hander Cliff Lee. But the Dodgers were planning to make a “hard push” for Lee on Wednesday, according to a major-league source.
Whether the Dodgers will be too late remains to be seen. The Angels, too, are interested in Lee, while the Phillies also are pursuing Mariners left-hander Jarrod Washburn.
The Phillies scratched Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco from his start on Wednesday, a strong indication that he is about to be traded.
by The Ghost of W.P.C. Past on Jul 29, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Multiple reports from slightly more reliable sources than FOX (cause aside from New York papers, who is less reliable than fox sports) have indicated that if the indians move Lee or V-Mart it has to be for ‘ready’ players or close to ready as the indians think they can still contend in 2010 (and the central is a weak division). So that seems to preclude Knapp as a center piece don’t it?
The Phillies scratched Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco from his start on Wednesday, a strong indication that he is about to be traded.
Or numerous other possibilities.
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So that seems to preclude Knapp as a center piece don’t it?
Sure, if you choose believe one unsubstantiated rumor over the other…
by JasonB on Jul 29, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some rumors make more sense than the other – the indians play in a weak division with no team that looks ‘solid for years to come’ with guys who seem to have more than they are producing this year – so contending in 2010 as a condition for trades has more ‘oomph’ behind it then ‘carrasco scratched so the indians want him’ – especially when the indians scouts are reportedly at the game today. In fact, scratching Carrsco when the scouts are there would indicate to me that the INdians don’t have interest or they’d want to see him pitch.
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
zolecki
Source: “Nothing is imminent.” But it looks like Cliff Lee, if something happens. Indians scouts are in Lehigh Valley today.
by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Which, again, makes a Carrasco scratch make little to no sense – unless the Indians are 100% they would want him in a Lee deal which makes no sense, another chance to see him pitch makes sense.
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know who to believe anymore! I’m checking 87 web sites, not getting any work done.
by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jul 29, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my timesheet
might be a little incorrect too
by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re all wrong – just ignore it and do your work – none of it matters
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m all for Lee coming with Knapp as a centerpiece. I’m kind of sad to see Marson go though. It would be a major trade by Amaro if he was to get both Lee and Martinez, how much better that would make the Phils for repeat.
by Ant on Jul 29, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So now they’re getting Lee and Martinez for a deal centered around a single A pitcher?
Um…wow…when did the Indians GM take the Ed Wade / Billy King stupid pills?
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure that even if the Lee trade happens, Martinez wouldn’t be included. That would be absurd.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW in my dreams
if we got lee and martinez we would have a murderers row on our hands and solid pitching with the exemption of the insanely lucky brad lidge
by The Ghost of W.P.C. Past on Jul 29, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the chances of the Phils getting both Lee and Martinez are slim, honestly. I’d think the Tribe would have to be overwhelmed to give them both up in the same deal, since you can get a pretty good haul for either one of them individually.
*sigh*
by zempf on Jul 29, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but...
technically the Phils have enough to get both without giving up Drabek or Brown…. now if the Phils never brought up Bastardo and he was still pitching great, I think we could confirm we’d probably have Halladay.
by Ant on Jul 29, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well technically everyone’s got enough to get it, it’s just a matter of if they’re willing to give up the farm for two guys. I’m just saying that if the Indians can do Lee to the Phillies for 4 prospects and then, e.g., Martinez to Boston for 3 prospects, why trade them both to the Phillies for 5 prospects?
*sigh*
by zempf on Jul 29, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No – they don’t
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another source not fox
Yahoo ten minutes ago reported action between the phils and the indians
by The Ghost of W.P.C. Past on Jul 29, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I bet if you trace all these articles back to the ‘source’ they all start at the same place with the same logic -
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a specific persn per se – but the events – carrasco is ‘scratched’ donald and marson are not playing (as previously scheduled as reported by zolecki, but seemingly ignored in most reports) and unnamed minor league / major league people saying a deal is in play.
I doubt there are any real sources per se – and if there are – i’d bet all the articles have the same source – it’s the internet age – it’s a bad game of telephone
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox again, sorry
Phils, Indians in discussions for Lee — 11:58 a.m.
The Phillies are in discussions with the Indians to obtain left-hander Cliff Lee and possibly another player for Class A right-hander Jason Knapp, Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco, shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson, according to a major-league source.
Carrasco was scratched from his start for the Class AAA Lehigh IronPigs on Wednesday, and Donald and Marson were not in the lineup.
It was not known whether Donald and Marson had scheduled off-days for an 11 a.m. start after a night game.
by The Ghost of W.P.C. Past on Jul 29, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was not known whether Donald and Marson had scheduled off-days for an 11 a.m. start after a night game.
Zolecki tweeted the exact opposite about 30 minutes ago
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
haha i know i love the overlapping reports
by The Ghost of W.P.C. Past on Jul 29, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if I believe that, it’s a horrible deal for the Indians, who have a great catching prospect in Carlos Santana in AA plus a decent pair of middle infielders in Asdrubal Cabrera & Luis Valbuena who are both a) already in the majors and b) a year younger than Jason Donald.
*sigh*
by zempf on Jul 29, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Le is on 950 ESPN right now – so this should fuel the rumors
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not listening – i signed up for text alerts from 950 long ago – i can’t listen to any philadlephia sports radio without wanting to break my computer and go deaf
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean...
… you don’t like “Ya know what? Yer a MO-ron!”
Can’t say I blame you.
Last August, a caller was convinced – absolutely convinced – that we would trade Ryan Howard straight up for Mark Texiera.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Jul 29, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard from folks that Jody Mac was a ‘good’ host – but when I listened to him he seemed ignorant past 1950 and knew next to nothing about the NBA or the sixers roster (why i was listening in the first place) – he’s not as bile or hate filled as Eskin but he’s still as useless in my opinion.
Mikey Miss is a freaking racist and impressed with his own voice a bit oo much -
Both main hosts seem trying too hard to emulate 60
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you. I have been saying for a while now, only partly joking, that in order to even be considered for a spot hosting a sports radio show (in Philly at least), you need to be a racist.
by FuquaManuel on Jul 29, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying they all are – I know that Eskin is a big old racist and bile spiller the likes of which you won’t find many other places (except maybe Fox News)
Mike Miss lost me the day he started building his ‘all color’ teams for the various sports, all black, all white, etc…I turned off before he hit baseball so i have no idea if he tried to build an all brown baseball team either
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s all sports radio, it’s not restricted to Philadelphia. Although Eskin may be the worst person in the world (possible hyperbole)
by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jul 29, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that’s incorrect.
I listen to 710 ESPN and I listen to a station out of San Francisco sometimes as well, plus there’s a 1090 out of san diego. I can’t remember hearing much, if any, racism floating from any of those stations, let alone the blatant idiocy spewing forth from Philadlephia sports radio. They’re also less confrontational and hate filled and capable of actual intelligent discussion without calling callers names…it’s fascinating.
Now, I tried to listen to that new york nonsense online once or twice and almost cried
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA
eskin is funny .. he dont take no bs and agree with biased fans
by jack is better than asante on Jul 29, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why am I not surprised.
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s a bit conspiratorial, but maybe scratching Carrasco is a ploy? Toronto doesn’t seem to have that many suitors of Halladay, which isn’t necessarily surprising given what it might take to get him, his salary, and the fact he can block trades. It looks like it’s the Phillies and the Sox. And with the Jays ownership admitting they need to cut costs, there’s more leverage taken away from Riccardi. It would be bad very bad for Toronto if the Phillies, who seem to be the leaders for both Lee and Halladay at this point, traded for Lee. What options would Toronto have then? If they’re afraid that happens maybe that reignites discussions with the Phillies on more favorable terms?
by phila on Jul 29, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Lee is now a trending topic on twitter. Shockingly, everyone on twitter is repeating the bogus report about him already being traded.
by JasonB on Jul 29, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Never forget the first four letters of twitter :)
It was nice to see jim johnson as the #3 trend for a while yesterday – couldn’t pass brett favre but hey
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Washburn
I’m not sure why they’re going after him either, but he does have 15 quality starts in 19 games started… and a 2.64 ERA… With the Phils offense, this guy would be among the league leaders in wins. He’d be an upgrade to Lopez and good insurance if Pedro is a bust… and you probably have to give up zilch (relatively speaking).
by LondonPhillie on Jul 29, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Um…ugh
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rob Neyer linked to an interesting article a few days ago, which gave a theory as to why Washburn’s performance this year might not be entirely a fluke. Here’s the linked article. Basically, Seattle sacrificed outfield offense for outfield defense this year, bigtime (Endy Chavez is their starting left fielder), and Washburn’s an extreme flyball pitcher. Of course, “not a fluke” doesn’t mean the same thing as “repeatable under different circumstances.”
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is to say, he probably wouldn’t be very good here. I think I’d rather have Lopez, considering that Lopez comes for free.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mariners obtained Jack Wilson – I don’t know who they traded but I wonder if it was a AAA catcher?
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why would they be buyers of Wilson and sellers of Washburn?? Are they in or out?
by LondonPhillie on Jul 29, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They wouldn’t be sellers of washburn
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox Sports Again
But the report is that they have made Washburn ‘officially available’
"It was almost like if Harry didn't call it, it wasn't real." - Jayson Stark
by Chris Haines on Jul 29, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that that answers why they would be buying Wilson and selling Washburn, because that doesn’t make any sense
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by Chris Haines on Jul 29, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Wilson and Ian Snell to the Mariners for Jeff Clement, Ronny Cedeno, Aaron Pribanic, Brett Lorin and Nathan Adcock, sez Twitter: http://twitter.com/Dejan_Kovacevic/status/2912445065
*sigh*
by zempf on Jul 29, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are any of those the AAA catcher who sat today?
And wasn’t clement once highly regarded?
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
clement is the one that sat and he was in the majots for a bit but was sent back down
by The Ghost of W.P.C. Past on Jul 29, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
clement was a top prospect
by jack is better than asante on Jul 29, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yahoo says that the Phillies are close to a deal for Lee for Carrasco, Knapp, and at least two of Marson, Donald, and Taylor. Still doesn’t make a lot of sense from the Indians’ perspective, so I guess I’ll believe it when I see it.
*sigh*
by zempf on Jul 29, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be a slick trade for Mr. Amaro Jr.
by LondonPhillie on Jul 29, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reply on reply: though i still wonder why they would abondon the Halladay sweepstakes with 3 days to go… unless Retiardi has made it absolutely clear it would take Happ and Drabek… even then its most likley posturing with this much time left… oh well, i wanted the Phils to beat the Red Sox in the Series last year anyway… now we’d get a chance cuz they’ll land Halladay
by LondonPhillie on Jul 29, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things
1. Does anyone know when Lee’s next scheduled start is?
2. I really hope as Friday gets closer Amaro doesn’t go into ‘have to’ mode – i have to get something done – i have to prove myself – i have to show the fans we mean to win – those sorts of things – cause that’s when bad things happen
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lee’s turn in the rotation would come up again on Saturday.
*sigh*
by zempf on Jul 29, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And agree on point 2. I’d hate to see us end up giving up legit talent for someone like Jarrod Washburn just because he feels like he’s gotta do something.
*sigh*
by zempf on Jul 29, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
On number 2. It would be nice to have Halladay or Lee, but Amaro does not have to make a trade at any cost. Not sure on number 1
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by Chris Haines on Jul 29, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point 2 is well said. Hopefully a 19-3 record will help him in that regard.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were still only two games over through the first 76 games… pitching is still the weak spot on the team
by LondonPhillie on Jul 29, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a relative weakness compared to our offense, but it isn’t a weakness in absolute terms at this point.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet piching has been better the past month or so – so maybe it’s getting better.
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More twits
beerleaguer: Alert reader: Phils’ website changes Moyer and Hamels Sat/Sun starts to TBA. Lee is scheduled to pitch on Sat. for Tribe.
I have not verified this
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sat & sunday are tba
by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that’s interesting if it’s true that it has been changed
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zolecki says trade
Ken Rosenthal reports the deal is Carlos Carrasco, Jason Knapp, Lou Marson and Jason Donald for Cliff Lee and one other
by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More like Zolecki says Rosenthal says trade.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal has historically been the most accurate guy on trade deadline news, and has gotten his news the earliest.
If that’s the deal I’d be happy. I love Knapp as a prospect but it’s a good piece of business.
by wildcatlh on Jul 29, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAY another lefty!
Any teams in the NL with lefty dominated line-ups that could tee off on us in a playoff series?
by LondonPhillie on Jul 29, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t it be righty dominated line ups that would tee off on lefties?
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah thats what i meant… geez jump all over me! lol
by LondonPhillie on Jul 29, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway, I think even I would be on board with this trade. Not having to give up Taylor makes this a Win.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zolecki also saying the Phils get Ben Francisco, who.. yeah. He’s nothing special, I guess another bat off the bench.
*sigh*
by zempf on Jul 29, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor has walked, flown out, and struck out.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Assuming DOnald has shown no proficiency defensively at 3rd base I don’t htink I have a problem with him being included in this deal – still held out hope that marson would surpass ruiz soon
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zolecki twit indicates that the ’other ’ player is ben francisco whose name i like
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Francisco
That would be our RH bat if that’s the case.
27-year-old corner outfielder
2008: .266/.332/.438 in 447 AB. 15 HR, 40 BB.
2009: .250/.336/.422 in 208 AB. 10 HR, 33 BB. 13 SB in 16 attempts.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Improvement over current right hnaded bats? Better spot starter than Matt Stairs?
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely yes on your first question, at least.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hits better than Bruntlett, which is.. not saying much. He’s pretty much the definition of a 4th outfielder, doesn’t do anything particularly well but isn’t embarassing.
*sigh*
by zempf on Jul 29, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SO better than Stairs in the field (who is embarrassing)
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he’s even played CF a few times for the Indians while Sizemore was out, but no way would I count on him out there.
*sigh*
by zempf on Jul 29, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this ends up true
I’m on board for sure.
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by Chris Haines on Jul 29, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Cleveland must REALLY love Knapp. Everything I’ve read makes him sound like a terrific talent, but to center a trade around a pitcher in Low-A… man…
But Cleveland has had a good history when it comes to getting prospects in trades like these. So maybe they know what they’re doing.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, I think the deal is centered around Carrasco/Knapp, both guys have decent upside and so Cleveland is probably betting that one of them will pan out and be worth it, or that both sort of pan out and be worth it etc.
by Whack8888 on Jul 29, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal says the deal is done pending medical records review
by wildcatlh on Jul 29, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
very cool I like this a whole lot
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Jul 29, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So....
We still Have Happ, Drabek, Brown & Taylor…..
by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yessir. Well done, Ruben, for getting a reigning Cy Young winner (and a sorely-needed right-handed bench bat) without touching the current roster, or the top pitching prospect, or either of the top two hitting prospects. Fantastic deal.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 29, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So – now that they have cliff lee – let’s obtain halladay too and just scare the crap out of everyone?
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL I’m down.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Jul 29, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so....
we made out real well lol… cant imagine the rotation next year with drabek punched in
by FMitchellSTFU on Jul 29, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So we can still get Halladay if we wanted :)
since we still have happ, brown, and drabek we could screw the mlb over and get halladay lol
by The Ghost of W.P.C. Past on Jul 29, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Done Deal Trade confirmed on foxsports.com
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by yophillybro on Jul 29, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we can get Halladay for
Happ, Brown/Taylor, & two other prospects/players should we do it?
by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no
I think we need to get at least a reliever by Friday though… Question is who is going to the bullpen since Pedro is coming up…. Moyer? I don’t feel like the Phils are going to put Pedro in the bullpen until playoffs. Also if Myers comes back strong from bullpen, I think we can really pull the repeat.
by Ant on Jul 29, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why can’t pedro go to the bullpen? He probably replaces lopes would be my guess.
As for ‘getting a reliever by friday’ – relievers are fungible and affordable – never ever over pay – none of the top prospects should be used to obtain a reliever
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cant replace Lopez… thats what Lee is doing
by Ant on Jul 29, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh right – duh
totally forgot about that
Whens the last time the phils had a pitching surplus?
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously – this has to bring down the asking price for halladay – ownership is motivated to cut halladays salary and the phils still have all the ’major’’ pieces to get him.
I say go for the gusto and just scare the crap out of everyone for the next season and a half.
Hamels/Halladay/Lee in any kind of order – that’s just killification
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only reason this lowers the Halladay asking price is because we’re out of the race for him and they’ve lost a huge piece of leverage.
by wildcatlh on Jul 29, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exaclty
& they don’t want to trade him to the sox, we are still in position to give them the best offer
by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is interesting that none of the pieces that the Blue Jays were seeking for Halladay were in the Cliff Lee deal… makes me wonder if they’re not thinking of going for the kill…. then you could move Happ to the bullpen and get Meyers back
Halladay, Hamels, Lee, Blanton, Martinez
Lidge, Madson, Meyers, Happ, Romero, Park, Durbin, Condrey, Lopez….
by LondonPhillie on Jul 29, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Moyer… jesus you’d have SOOOOO much pitching!
by LondonPhillie on Jul 29, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we would rather have happ in the rotation because he can go farther into games whereas pedro can go 5-6 innings and isnt a definite thing and happ is 7-1
by The Ghost of W.P.C. Past on Jul 29, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure it’s still a crap shoot – but lee and halladay is better than just adding halladay or lee you gotta admit – the closer it gets to friday the more ‘desperate’ JP maybe goes to sell because his owners need him to and now the phils are in the cat birds seat per se cause they don’t need him.
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can rip him off, then sure. But I wouldn’t give him fair value at this point. I don’t want to chase after diminishing returns.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, there’s no way a Halladay deal is happening. But I certainly don’t envy J.P. Ricciardi right now — he’s very publicly put the face of the franchise on the trading block, only to see his prime suitor balk at his price and make a deal elsewhere. Dealing him to the Red Sox might be his only option at this point.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 29, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, that reminds me: SCREW YOU J.P.! Coming in here, trying to rip us off. Screw you, and the horse you rode in on.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder if he wishes he accepted Happ/Taylor/Carrasco/Donald
by phila on Jul 29, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course – like i said – the phils would now be in the stronger negotiating position
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we just finished the deal for Lee, see fox sports. Please.
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by yophillybro on Jul 29, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yophillybro...
lets go rile em up on blue jays banter :)
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Halladay and Lee?
C’mon guys. No chance for Halladay and Lee. Fun to speculate. It’s not the prospects so much as a financial issue. Mgmt is not taking on both of these salaries. Will never happen.
I am concerned, however, what happens to Halladay. We better all pray the Dodgers don’t make a serious play for him. It would be better for all of us if he didn’t get traded at all. I can’t wait to hear big nose Ricciardi start spinning this one… We weren’t “wowed”… Stupid.
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Dodgers probably can’t get him unless they give up Kershaw or Billingsley. He’d still be an upgrade, but it’s not like they would just insert him into their current rotation.
Anyway, how much would our odds of winning a series go down? It’s still a crap shoot.
by taco pal on Jul 29, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s one whole year of salaries. Myers comes off the books this year and they don’t have to worry about finding someone to replace the aging moyer or take the spot of the “#5” guy -
How much does myers make?
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if I remember... Moyer is signed for next year...
by Ant on Jul 29, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should just take a bullpen spot or a seat next to dubee
by The Ghost of W.P.C. Past on Jul 29, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but just cause he’s paid don’t mean he has to pitch
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im buying a ben francisco jersey
thats the only thing i know for sure
by char6587 on Jul 29, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
francisco is also a 200x upgrade with the glove
by char6587 on Jul 29, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
meyers eaton and jenkins all come off .. but raises to current players add in .so we dont lose anything off our payroll
by jack is better than asante on Jul 29, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I worked it out a couple weeks ago, I think it’s a slight net increase considering Lee’s 8 mil option. It’s like -27 for Myers, Eaton, and Jenkins and plus 23 or so for raises.
by phila on Jul 29, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, increased attendanc and merchandise sales from adding Lee and halladay plus another good playoff run? How many more seats can they sell? How much more merch can they sell?
Or how about trading Joe Blanton – if you have halladay and lee and hamels – with happ and moyer, do you need blanton – trade hi ‘high’ if he maintains this year and repopulate the prsopect pool?
I have no idea when his contract comes off.
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by jemagee on Jul 29, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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