When in the course of human events...: Mets at Phillies Game Thread, July 4, 2009

by WholeCamels on Jul 4, 2009 4:00 PM EDT

New York Mets at Philadelphia Phillies, Jul 4, 2009 4:05 PM EDT

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Discuss the game below...

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New York Mets
@ Philadelphia Phillies

Saturday, Jul 4, 2009, 4:05 PM EDT
Citizens Bank Park

Fernando Nieve vs Jamie Moyer

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	W-L	G	GS	CG	SHO	SV	BS	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	ERA	WHIP
2009 - Jamie Moyer	6-6	15	15	0	0	0	0	83.1	103	56	56	19	23	50	6.05	1.51

	W-L	G	GS	CG	SHO	SV	BS	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	ERA	WHIP
2009 - Fernando Nieve	3-1	5	4	0	0	0	0	24.0	22	6	6	2	10	14	2.25	1.33

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Blargh

I’m in the Chicago area and I figured if I didn’t have the Detroit-Minnesota game, this one would be the “national” game. But of course not. FOX would rather worship at the feet of Cheatin’ Manny Ramirez and his douchebag Dodger teammates.

That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!

Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09

by HappyHuman on Jul 4, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions

No surprise here

Portland being on the west coast it was inevitable that we would get Dodgers-Padres. Plus, we have the AAA team for the Padres here, our Portland Beavers. Maybe we’ll get some in-game highlights if someone hits a home run.
And … here comes Manny!

by phillyinportland on Jul 4, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Got that right, and he must still be cheating, because he hit a HR first AB.
Why do we make an Hero out of a cheater? Great for the youngsters to know!

by HEYJUDE on Jul 4, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Stop it – please

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Awww...

but it’s fun!

by NowWhat? on Jul 4, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

What the?? why are we watching Manny? Did the ultrasound results come back?

by Wet Luzinski on Jul 4, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions

No...

because Fox is retarded!

by NowWhat? on Jul 4, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Moyer 1-2-3 in the first.

by Wet Luzinski on Jul 4, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions

In play, run(s)

That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!

Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09

by HappyHuman on Jul 4, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions

Gotta love Gameday! Even though I can’t see videos on it anymore…

by NowWhat? on Jul 4, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions

FOX probably going to interrupt to show all Manny at bats, I’m lucky to get all the at bats in that game, even the spanish channel sadly.

Oh yeah, there’s Rugby on ESPN – why?

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions

Oh yeah – Steve McNair seems to have been killed

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions

teh huh?

by NowWhat? on Jul 4, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Steve McNair dead – wife kills him then himself

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Ho. Lee. Shit.

Man, I’m praying for his family…

by NowWhat? on Jul 4, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions

So sad....

I hate this for his family but it really does not surprise me.
They will surely be in my thoughts and prayers.

by HEYJUDE on Jul 4, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions

You a good friend of the mcnairs- you know the ins and outs of their lives – cause if you ain’t how does this not surprise you you callous fracker?

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Idiot.

by FuquaManuel on Jul 4, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions

My thoughts exactly

by NowWhat? on Jul 4, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Hyprocritical comment...

It says above your praying. How can you pray while at the same time be agreeing with your buddy that I am a idiot.

by HEYJUDE on Jul 4, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh, sorry

I was responding to jemagee’s reaction to your comment, which I thought FuquaManuel was commenting on… I’m sorry about that

by NowWhat? on Jul 5, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions

I just happen to live in TN where he is in the news frequently due to anger issues, DUI’s and spousal abuse.
This being said, he does not surprise me that his wife shot him.

Are you this cruel to every newbie?

by HEYJUDE on Jul 4, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Only the truly ridiulous.

And since it’s about 2 hours later – maybe you wanna check the news….regarding what happened and got retracted.

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m going on what you guys told me. Maybe you have something to retract.
I’ve been watching your team, not the news………

by HEYJUDE on Jul 4, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions

If all you have to do is “frack” on innocent people, then maybe you need to get a life!
Never heard of the frack word, it;s not a word we use on Talking Chop!

by HEYJUDE on Jul 4, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Sad day. Happened in Nashville, it says. I don’t know anything about the city, but my son will be moving there next month.

by phillyinportland on Jul 4, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions

McNair story, pulling back on ‘wife’ report

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4306275

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions

I would say your Son will love Nashville, I say this because most of my family have attended college in Nashville, including myself. I would move back there in a minute if I could!

by HEYJUDE on Jul 4, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Not that it’s a great start, but it is always nice to get an early run – especially with Moyer pitching. Not sure if my memory is correct but it seems like Moyer pitches more relaxed and better command when he has a lead.

by phillyinportland on Jul 4, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions

Moyer 1-2-3 in the 2nd.

by Wet Luzinski on Jul 4, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions

I can't believe Bako is still playing,

I remember him playing in ATL many years ago, and he showed us he still has some pop in his bat when he hit that HR off of us the other night!

by HEYJUDE on Jul 4, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions

What ever happened to charlie’s day game after night game stuff – where’s Ruiz?

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions

Bottom of the third

Another golden opportunity for Dobbs and … was that on the first pitch?

by phillyinportland on Jul 4, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions

Some bad umpiring going on in San Diego

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions

All I saw was Manny playing with his stick and getting angry. Guess we’ve moved on from the estrogen and back with the testosterone.

by Wet Luzinski on Jul 4, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions

Gramps with a nice bunt. Paging Mr. OBP, paging Mr. OBP, courtesy call at home plate.

by Wet Luzinski on Jul 4, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions

Moyer

See if he can get the good bunt down here.

by phillyinportland on Jul 4, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions

Yes

by phillyinportland on Jul 4, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions

aiight, J-Rollin’

by Wet Luzinski on Jul 4, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Woot

Nice job, J-Roll

That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!

Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09

by HappyHuman on Jul 4, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions

Good ol’ Jimmy back in action!

by myrestingpulse_121bpm on Jul 4, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions

Good to see

by FredEx on Jul 4, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Jimmy loves playing the Mets, doesn’t he?

by phillyinportland on Jul 4, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions

I don’t believe the feeling is mutual!

by Wet Luzinski on Jul 4, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions

The Mets don’t enjoy losing?

by FredEx on Jul 4, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Hmm, with their performance lately it seems like they might get an odd pleasure out of losing..perhaps?

by myrestingpulse_121bpm on Jul 4, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions

You can thank Chipper for loaning him his bat!

by HEYJUDE on Jul 4, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Ha

Good Jimmy decided to finally show up. Where was he in interleague play?

by NowWhat? on Jul 4, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions

on the bench, or earning his way there.

by Wet Luzinski on Jul 4, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Beautiful

Why can’t we get pitchers out? Ever?

by NowWhat? on Jul 4, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions

cause if we could

we wouldn’t be the phillies

"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09

by kmblue on Jul 4, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Enjoy the Manny at bat folks

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions

Blargh.

Just Blargh

by NowWhat? on Jul 4, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions

FC

Back to the REAL game

by NowWhat? on Jul 4, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions

Is it me...

or does Paul Bako look a LOT like a lefty-hitting Chris Coste?

by NowWhat? on Jul 4, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions

sweet glovework there by the Mets left side. Was Wright expecting to be called off?

by Wet Luzinski on Jul 4, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions

According to Fox (which, BTW, means it’s probably wrong), it looked like Wright heard a fan say “I got it” and assumed the ball would go into the stands… HA

by NowWhat? on Jul 4, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions

dead

Fan ftw

"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09

by kmblue on Jul 4, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions

gamebreak news flash:

Ramirez makes routine fb look mor difficult than it was.

Film at 11

by Wet Luzinski on Jul 4, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions

O RLY?

Oh snap!

by NowWhat? on Jul 4, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions

J-Roll Walks

June seems so long ago…

by NowWhat? on Jul 4, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions

Well done, Moyer

That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!

Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09

by HappyHuman on Jul 4, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions

Maybe it's just me, but

it sure seems like the Phillies have gotten an unusual number of two-out bases-empty hits – usually ending up with zero runs.

by phillyinportland on Jul 4, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions

What percentage of 2 out base empty singles don’t score I wonder…

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions

I have idea how to calculate that, but I would guess that it has to be less than 10%. Maybe a little higher if you have a lot of home run hitters that came up after a two-out hit.

by phillyinportland on Jul 4, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Wll there’s that tango tiger chart I think – but if you think 90% (or more) of them don’t score, then it’s no surprise the phils have a lot of 2 out empty bases singles that don’t score then?

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed. What I was trying to say was that it seems like in the last week the Phillies seem to be having more of those out-out-single (or double)-out innings than usual. Just anecdotal on what I seem to remember from some of the Braves series plus last inning.

by phillyinportland on Jul 4, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions

i think

around 10%. i don’t know for sure, but i know a way of computing an approximate expected run number, and you also figure that two singles in a row would be a little over 5% and an extra base hit would probably be a little under 5% too.

by Matt Swartz on Jul 4, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions

I figured it would be a low number so it’s not surprising – the original statement he made – to me – if 90% of the time (on average) 2 out singles with none on don’t score :)

Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned

by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions

First base with two outs

run expectancy is about .251.

This does not mean that the runner scores .251% of the time, just that on average, .251 runs are scored in an inning after there is a situation with a man on first and 2 outs. Multiple runs scored (through HR, for instance) would pump up the number, so the actual number of times a runner scores is less than 25.1%.

So, in a long-winded way, I have not added anything to JEM’s comment or MattS’ comment, so please just ignore me.

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Jul 4, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions