Sixty-Nine, Dudes!: Phillies at Mets Game Thread, August 22, 2009
by WholeCamels on Aug 22, 2009 7:00 PM EDT
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Tonight, the New York Mets pay tribute to the 1969 World Championship team, and it just so happens they'll be playing the reigning World Champions. How proper.
J.A. Happ tries to keep on keepin' on, versus inexplicable Phillies killer Tim Redding.
Discuss the game below.
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what channel is this on? i don’t think it’s on comcast sportsnet
by philadelphiayankees on Aug 22, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions
I thought it was going to be on MLB network but what I saw was just the highlighted game for MLB TV. The network will be showing Giants vs. Rockies at 8ET for those interested in that wild-card showdown.
With all the strength originally expected to be in the East and Central divisions (Phillies, Mets, Cubs, Cards, Brewers) it’s interesting that the wild card winner could well be Giants or Rockies.
by phillyinportland on Aug 22, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
sitting here in sec 513, listening to Seaver…
by dajafi on Aug 22, 2009 7:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
pretty close to full I think. Easily 1/3 Phils fans…
by dajafi on Aug 22, 2009 7:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Great to hear.
Enjoy the game tonight. I expect a full report on CitiField (I’m dying to get down there at some point, I hear it’s great).
It was.
Barely. It didn’t look like it at first on TV either.
I knew Redding was good against the Phils, but jeez.
Yikes
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
Hopefully Happ will impersonate Lee tonight and throw alot of strikes and strike outs w/out hits or runs by the Mets. Good start!
…and hopefully Tim Redding will impersonate, you know, Tim Redding. (Instead of the reincarnation of Greg Maddux that he becomes every time he pitches against the Phils.)
If you didn't make the obligatory comment, I would have.
Redding would make a fine addition to the Phillies organization, even it he just pitched at Lehigh Valley forever.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Mets jumping all over Happ, but
hitting him foul a lot.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
Nice play by Rollins
that ball by Francoeur was a hard play – humpback liner right infront of 2nd on one short hop and throw to first. Slick.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions
Happ's primary pitching skill appears to be
luck.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
I can has base hits and runs?
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
Double play please
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
Happ pitching on a high wire
again. He is looking more and more to me like the second coming of Kyle Kendrick.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
Happ lucks out again.
Nice play, Chase.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
In trouble...out of trouble
Easy as pie
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
Rollins back at it with
the one pitch at bats.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions
redding’s inexplicable pwnership of us is as infuriating in person as on tv
by dajafi on Aug 22, 2009 8:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Please heckle Rollins for the 1p AB
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank god Redding is coming out.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
Notice Happ looks as the ball goes by while Redding threw his glove at the ball and got it. I know, I am not there but did you see Happ just look at it as it went by????
Not sure what you’re trying to say – that Happ should have made a play and looked like he didn’t care? That seems extreme.
by phillyinportland on Aug 22, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Sheffield killed someone with that foul...
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions
Werth not too baked to double off Castillo.
Awake tonight in the OF.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
Let's go Phillies *clap, clap, clapclapclap*
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
Good work Shane, way to get on. Let’s do some hitting with Redding out of the game now.
by PhillyPhanatic20 on Aug 22, 2009 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
Sooner or later, they will not waste the walk
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
Sooner, it appears.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions
Utley's Corner!
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
Thanks for taking out Redding, Jerry.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions
A propos of nothing, I think I figured out why the Beard is still on the Phillies.
He’s the fluffer.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions
Yep. That swing was awful.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
So was that one.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
On the contrart, please continue
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Feliz!
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
Nice shot of idiots
fighting in the stands. I think that was FM pouring the beer on that dude. ;)
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
Just picking since you posted that you were at the game.
I’m jealous.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I misremembered that.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Fighting...way to make Phils fans look bad, pal
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
I’m sure the Mets fan provoked it. :)
by besam32 on Aug 22, 2009 9:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
after all…
Happ
Just a note on the guy who is being called the next Kyle Kendrick:
League Leaders – 2009
• Ranks 5th in NL in ERA (2.66) • Ranks 10th in NL in WHIP (1.16)
• Ranks 1st in NL in W% (.818) • Ranks 8th in NL in CG (2)
Comparisons to Kendrick 2007 version seem to be based on high percentage of wins, relatively low strikeouts and what some see as a lot of luck. Kendrick made 20 starts in 2007 and had a nice 3.87 ERA and a 10-4 record. Gave up 16 HRs and had only 49 strikeouts in 121 IP. Happ, before today, has made 17 starts, had a 2.65 ERA, a 9-2 record overall (including his relief work). He’s given up 13 HRs, has 93 strikeouts in 132 IP. So his strikeout rate of .7/inning is like Kendrick’s .4/inning? Happ has two complete games and often goes 7 innings, while Kendrick rarely got past the 6th if I remember correctly. And tonight he’s struggled to get through 5 innings giving up one run. I’m sorry, I just don’t see Kyle Kendrick out there.
by phillyinportland on Aug 22, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
He's been getting belted, and it's not just tonight.
I do not have a tremendous level of confidence that his level of success is sustainable. He’s danced through raindrops an awful lot.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear what you’re saying, and I understand you fear he won’t continue, but what part of his results worries you? He goes deep into games, he usually works his way out of trouble, he’s not giving up a lot of home runs. And the Phillies win almost every time he starts. That’s what confuses me with the comparison to Kendrick.
by phillyinportland on Aug 22, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Not tonight. I mean, knock yourself out, but I don't have time to look at it right now.
I’m trying to watch and keep my 8 year old in line.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No problem. At the end of the game we will hopefully have another win to put next to Happ’s name. Enjoy the game.
by phillyinportland on Aug 22, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll look at it tomorrow and see if the numbers bear out the sense I get from
watching tonight and recently. I have not been overly impressed, but impressions and numbers often don’t line up. It’s an interesting question.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think your concerns are fair...
…but I also think there’s reason to be excited about Happ. His BABIP and strand rate indicate regression, but since the beginning of July, his peripherals have improved significantly: 6.7 BB/9, 2.7 K/9, 0.7 HR/9. I’ve continually said that I don’t think he’s more than a very solid 4th starter in the end, but I don’t think there’s any reason to panic here.
Can't say Happ was lazy on that play.
He did everything but juggle chainsaws to get it to Howard.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
Murphy dumped on his ass by Howard.
That’s a big man.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions
If you blink, you miss Rollins hitting.
Sheesh.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions
Koosman
Funny thought came to mind when I saw Jerry Koosman was at the 1969 Mets reunion today. Koosman was convicted of tax evasion earlier this year and was facing prison time back in May. I guess he got probation. His explanation: he thought he’d found the loophole that meant he didn’t really have to pay taxes as long as he wasn’t a federal employee or a resident of Washington, D.C.
by phillyinportland on Aug 22, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions
Happ evidently reads this site and noted the fielding criticisms earlier.
He’s been putting on a clinic since. :)
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
Good point
I always thought we were good for something here.
by phillyinportland on Aug 22, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
107 pitches - lasy inning.
Thanks to TV for that — I was curious about the count but too lazy to go check.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
Last inning, that is.
Unless Charlie gets retarded again.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
Happs arm is gonna fall off one of these days.
by besam32 on Aug 22, 2009 9:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Record number of broken bats tonight.
Not a useful stat like xFIP or anything, but it gets Happ style points.
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by RememberthePhitans on Aug 22, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
Attaboy Werth
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
I know Ibanez has cooled off...
…but I expect more of him than that AB right there. A ground ball to the right side gets you a run; a fly ball gets you a run; just about anything you do right there gets you a run. Relax, see a couple of pitches, and then at least make a productive out. Just don’t swing at the first goddamn pitch.
Braves won...
If anyone wants to know.
by besam32 on Aug 22, 2009 10:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
optimal outcome as far as Phils are concerned.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 22, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
someone say “lift and elevate” one more time!
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 22, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sac fly
I’ll take it
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
Me too
Much better than the inning-ending double play I was expecting.
by phillyinportland on Aug 22, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
does ATONE mean “pop up to the edge of the infield dirt?” If so, his consistency is tremendous in this respect.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 22, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I had no success with that approach last night either.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 22, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimmy Rollins – regression to the regression.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 22, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
If we can’t hit the Meetz horrid relievers, how the well are we going to hit somebody halfway decent.
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Aug 22, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
Nice play
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
I'll tell you what...
…totally random, but I’ll say it anyway: Feliz can’t hit for crap, but he’s the first guy* I’ve felt comfortable with defensively at 3B since Rolen.
*guy = every day (so Abraham Nunez need not apply)
by PhillyFriar on Aug 22, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Filthy changeup – Ruiz atones for his drop with a good call.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 22, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
We are probably gonna get Lidge tonight. At least the lead is 3…if he blows this, I have a feeling he is done.
he is up
it would be the second vs. a division rival in not so many days. Second away game. It would be bad, real bad.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 22, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Figueroa
Wasn’t this guy one of the guys who came over in the Schilling trade?
by phillyinportland on Aug 22, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
I believe so. Daal, Travis Lee, Padilla the others?
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 22, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds about right. I can vaguely remember a time in 2001 when it looked like the Phillies might get three half-decent pitchers out of the Schilling trade. Padilla, of course, turned in some good years for the Phillies, but that was about it for the best Phillies starter between Carlton and … Cliff Lee.
by phillyinportland on Aug 22, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Did all the Mets fans go home?
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
I think they all just drive aimlessly on the New Jersey Turnpike until they get good.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 22, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
"Let's Go Phillies" chant at Citi
Mets fans probably talking about how the new park isn’t as fearsome as Shea was.
I f we lidge proof it does he still come in to get some work.
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Aug 22, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions
whoa, random word generator strikes again!
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 22, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
no offense really, I’ve done it myself
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 22, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
you may need to repeat that post before the next Lidge appearance for luck.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 22, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting fact:
ScottLauber on Twitter: Most homers by a Mets player at Citi Field this year: 5 (Wright, Sheffield and Tatis). Chase Utley has 4 homers at Citi Field.
I think they were pointing out that Mark Reynolds had four there a few weeks ago, when Wright had the most with five. Tough park for a weak-hitting home team.
by phillyinportland on Aug 22, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
One
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
it is really tough to follow games down here in florida on Gamechannel.
I cant afford MLB (not working).
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Aug 22, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions
I am going out on the limb. This is the first time I remember Lidge pitches looking good in placement.
He’s had a few nice outings like this, but they’ve been infrequent this year.
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
I like this Lidge
Can we keep him?
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
we should lock up his evil bad twin long term, stuffed and gagged in the trunk of a 1968 Impala pushed toward the edge of a lake… or off on a “hunting trip” with a lot of spare ammo with Bad Chan Ho.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 22, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Dick Cheney may be a good hunting partner too.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 22, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice finish to a well-pitched game overall.
by phillyinportland on Aug 22, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
Winnah
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
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