Phillies Breakfast Links, August 25, 2009: Werthy, Metpocalypse, Wolfmother
by WholeCamels on Aug 25, 2009 8:45 AM EDT
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Jayson Werth of the Philadelphia Phillies named the National League Player of the Week
Werd is bond.
Injured Phillies relievers Romero, Condrey throw bullpen sessions
I'm not expecting to get much out of either of them the rest of the season, frankly.
Rich Hofmann: Phillies' Cliff Lee reminiscent of another Lefty
It must stink to be a left-handed pitcher in this town. Every time you do something good, the inevitable comparisons to Steve Carlton crop up. There's no way anyone can live up to that.
Reports: New York Mets' Billy Wagner invoking no-trade clause
Rotting in fourth place is better than being in the thick of the playoff hunt, so says Billy Wagner.
Santana to have MRI on pitching elbow
I know we're Phillies fans and we're in the business of hating All Things Met, but... Jeez, this is just unreal. They're all gone. Literally. It's a Junior Varsity team.
Phillies seek better results at PNC Park
Sample size and stuff, but 8-11 in Pittsburgh is just unacceptable.
JILL PAINTER: Randy Wolf's mom hoping to add to memorabilia collection
Randy Wolf was a good Phillie and I wish him the best, but if the Phillies run into him in the postseason I hope he gets crushed.
"The one thing he stressed was: 'This isn't us,' and that hit home," Werth said. "Even though he was ripping into us, he was still very positive. I've played for people that tend to go 'negativetown' pretty quickly. With Charlie, there's always a positive undertone, and that makes a big difference."
Jayson Werth, after Charlie's closed-door meeting with the team after the sweep against Florida earlier this month. I love Charlie.
Myers throws scoreless inning in rehab outing with Lakewood
Love that the velocity is back to the low-mid 90s. Hate that he's a free agent and likely to leave, in that case.
Spilborghs' slam in 14th lifts Rockies past Giants
The Rockies now lead the Giants in the Wild Card race by four games. If the season ended today, the Phillies would get a rematch with Colorado in the NLDS.
New Britain defeats R-Phils 6-3
Yohan Flande hasn't exactly set the world on fire since his promotion to Double-A Reading.
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Myers
Hate to beat a dead horse, but he reportedly hit 94mph on the gun. I may be in the minority here, but I really hope they make a good faith attempt to bring him back next year. A healthy Brett would make a fine addition to our starting rotation or bullpen. Rotation? Lee, Blanton, Hamels, Myers, Happ?
by Boundforbeach on Aug 25, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he’s a bargain, I’m sure he’ll get an offer to stay, but if another team wants to overpay… bye.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
by Bye, Dawk :( on Aug 25, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hammels doesn’t get going by playoffs I’d rather see him go than myers.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Aug 25, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really? Ridiculousness of the business side of this aside (Cole is signed through 2011), what’s the basis for this attitude? Can’t be statistics – Myers has only shown one truly dominant stretch over his entire Phillies career. This suggests to me that he’s a good pitcher who is capable of great performances. Cole has given many indications that he is fully capable of being an elite pitcher, and that this season is the anomaly.
Is it the knee-jerk loyalty this city seems to have for this guy? I really don’t understand it… the more bar fights a guy gets into when he’s supposed to be doing his job the more endearing he is? I think if we can’t bring Myers back on the cheap for a 1 year deal we should let him sail.
by Steve J on Aug 25, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s that he just doesn’t like Hamels. It isn’t about Myers.
Philadelphians in general don’t like Hamels very much. It isn’t about his performance, it’s personal.
by taco pal on Aug 25, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve said to everyone who will listen, wait until Hamels struggles, then look out! Suddenly: “He’s soft, he’s a pussy, he has a little white dog, etc.”
He’s also a 25 f***ing year old World Series MVP.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Aug 25, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whole is right. We have to remember that Cole is only 25 in his third full season in MLB. Most players are still finding their strides at this age, so be a little more patient. A little bad luck, a few bad pitches and him sulking after that hasn’t helped his image any. I, for one, am damn glad he’s on the team. Everyone knows if he (and Lee) again leads us to the WS and we win, all will most definitely be forgiven.
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Aug 25, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm half with you
There’s nothing to forgive. He’s a young pitcher experiencing growing pains. That’s all.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Aug 25, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do people care?
by David S. Cohen on Aug 25, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well… I don’t think personalities should factor into personnel decisions, but I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with modulating your enthusiasm level as fan based on whether a player has a good personality or a bad one. If Ty Cobb were a Phillie, it would probably dampen my enthusiasm to a certain degree (to choose an extreme example).
by taco pal on Aug 25, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on one hand. On the other, why spend as much time as we do watching, analyzing, talking about, and investing emotion in sports as we do if we aren’t going to care about some of the more nebulous issues, like the character of the players, how a team plays the game, and how an organization treats its fans. If we are really just rooting for laundry out there and pulling for dollar signs and championships instead of people, why don’t we go play the stock market rather than wasting our time on baseball. Far more to be gained. The emotion in sports is both what makes it so attractive and also what leads people to dislike (or like) players for the way they act independent of their performance. While I think Cole has gotten (or is going to get) a bad rap in this city because of his dog, his wife and his high pitched voice and I don’t think that’s fair or justified, I won’t go so far as to imply people are wrong for caring about certain “human” characteristics in their team or its players.
People want their champs to be reflections of their ideal selves, not just a number on a sheet of paper. Philadelphians loved Brian Dawkins because they wanted to be him, not just because he posted X number of tackles or interceptions. Many of the same folks don’t want to be Cole Hamels – he’s a pretty boy from CA. It doesn’t justify knocking his ability as a pitcher one bit, but I can understand where the sentiment comes from.
by Steve J on Aug 25, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to be clear, are you advocating trading Hamels? If so, wow.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Aug 25, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
by jonk on Aug 25, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is this Hammels fella you speak of and what team does he pitch for?
Getting the name wrong while also spotting a ludicrous irrational position is always strong.
Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned
by jemagee on Aug 25, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's a starter for the Rockies
by David S. Cohen on Aug 25, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it was plural, so he probably wants to get rid of two Jason Hammels.
by taco pal on Aug 25, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hammel pitched pretty well last night as the rockies proceed to possibly the best record in the NL and the dodgers a collapse of epic proportions.
But hey, Joe Torre is awesome right?
Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned
by jemagee on Aug 26, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wagner doesn't want to go anywhere they "expect too much."
Dude’s just in it for the paycheck now.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Aug 25, 2009 9:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no..he’s just in it for the stats. He wants to be the all time lefty saves leader. Good luck with achieving that on the Royals.
ummm……teams that aren’t competitive generally don’t generate as many save ops, willie.
by Bilzo on Aug 25, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have Soria, they don’t need Wagner.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Aug 25, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard a report that he prefers the Nationals. Close to home, in need of a closer.
If these are his reasons, I’m pretty sure there are plenty of beer-league softball teams that could use him.
I’m glad Billy constantly gives us more reasons to loathe him. Turns down a championship run with the Sox for a closing job with the Nationals. Does his ego know he blew 7 of 34 attempts the last time he tried that role? Maybe he’s just being realistic about his career choices – doesn’t want to be released by the Sox next season for mediocre performance.
by Steve J on Aug 25, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pat Burrell does
I hope he “one paths” one onto Lansdowne Street and knocks Boston out of the playoffs.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Aug 25, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mets
Santana is out and Francouer is hurt too. I hate the Mets, but this is ridiculous!
by David S. Cohen on Aug 25, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really have learned to love Charlie as a coach! A few years ago, I wanted him fired as he seemed incompentent in his moves. But, how he has learned the National League and now is one of the best managers in baseball if not the best. He is amazing in that he still wants to learn and knows how to communicate to his players and is loyal to them. Unlike Billy the Goat Wagner.
by DeanH on Aug 25, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Flande
I think that’s a little unfair to Flande. A to AA is the biggest leap in the minors, and he’s held his own in a very limited sample (11 games). He’s also shown clear improvement over that 11-G stretch.
by taco pal on Aug 25, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s also old for the level. I could have measured my words slightly better, but he hasn’t exactly been dominating in Reading.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Aug 25, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize he’s a tad old. But even a player with legitimate skills can go through an adjustment period if he’s initially accustomed to playing against a lower level of talent. Which is exactly what seems to have happened here – basically, Flande got knocked around in his first three or four games, but since then he’s been really good. Put it this way, I’m not actively discouraged by Flande’s non-dominance, because I don’t think it disproves his prospect status. He’s still an okay mid-level prospect, no different than before.
I guess what bothers me is that his last start is unrepresentative of recent trends, so it’s a little unfair to choose this moment to put the spotlight on him.
by taco pal on Aug 25, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Just" bone chips for Santana
My Mess fan buddy was relieved he’ll only be out this season – given the disaster their health has been, he was dreading that Tommy John would be needed.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Aug 25, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
arizona fall league
Check it out: rosters announced.
by taco pal on Aug 25, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks for posting that
lotsa Phillies there!
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Aug 25, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem! Definitely looks like a good sign. And I’m also glad they’re not sending any of their better starting pitching prospects.
by taco pal on Aug 25, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scary...
thinking that we could end up with the Rockies again…
In my dream scenario, the Rockies catch the Dodgers, win the West, and put the Dodgers in the NLDS with us. We take care of them, and meet the Cardinals in the NLCS after they quiet the Rockies down in 5. We head off to the World Series against the Anaheim Angels (fuck the whole “LA Angels of Anaheim” crap), and take it in hopefully 6. Yes, I’m calling it now that the Angels will win the AL
by NowWhat? on Aug 25, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I want the Rocks, even in spite of how well they’ve been playing. One, for revenge. Two, because they have the most lefthanded lineup of any of our potential first-round opponents.
by taco pal on Aug 25, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way things are going start looking at the dodgers, the dodgers look toasted and will probably end up with the wild card and the rockies with the best record giving the phils the dodgers
Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned
by jemagee on Aug 26, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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