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"He’s got so much power, and this is a high school field," Braves catcher Brian McCann said of Howard, who has four homers and seven RBIs in his past two games against the Braves, including a two-homer game Aug. 16 at Atlanta.

And the latest Atlanta Brave to whine about Citizens Bank Park is... BRIAN MCCANN!!!!! Step right up and claim your prize!! Wow, and those two home runs in Atlanta, did they somehow transport CBP to Georgia for that game? WHINERS.

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Really?

Do we move the fences back when they come up to hit? Gimme a break. Last time Cox complained because they WEREN’T playing in Philly so their long flyouts weren’t HRs and now McCann (of all people, I expected this least out of him) is complaining about HRs. This is a guy who’s hit plenty in his career at CBP. Just shut up and play. That HR in the 3rd by Howard was out in any park.

by doubleh on Aug 29, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

actually…per hittrackeronline.com that ball would’ve only gone out in 9 parks, which is significantly less than 30.

by Bilzo on Aug 29, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Howard didn’t hit one in the 3rd. His homer in the 2nd was a CBP special; the CF shot in the 4th would have been out of 26 parks.

by phatj on Aug 29, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant the one in the 4th.

by doubleh on Aug 29, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

put up or shut up

The visiting teams play in the same ballpark. I didn’t see the Braves hitting any homers last night.

by lseltzer on Aug 29, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Sour grapes.

Goddamn, these guys are a bunch of little bitches. I hate this racist franchise.

by FuquaManuel on Aug 29, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Read the entire quote:
“He’s got so much power and this is a high school field,” Braves catcher Brian McCann said. “It’s a field where you can wait back as long as you can. With a guy with that size and that power, he doesn’t ever have to come out of his swing. He can just stay back as long as he wants. He’s just a really good hitter.”

Oh, Bobby.

by sdp on Aug 29, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t really see how that changes anything.

by FuquaManuel on Aug 29, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

the splits

Howard 2009

HR away: 21
HR home: 16

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Aug 29, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I just really think it’s unbecoming to lose and then blame it on conditions that are precisely the same for both teams. The Mets aren’t whiners about CBP.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Aug 29, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Everything Has To Be Just So...

…or the Braves can’t win.

Maybe that’s why they lost in the playoffs every year. Eventually you have to overcome some adversity. Occasionally the ump will not call strikes for every pitch you make or balls for every pitch you take.

by EastFallowfield on Aug 29, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s always this franchise that moans. Everyone else comes to philly, plays, wins or looses and leaves. They don’t bitch when they loose or praise the field when they win. They just play the game.

"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel

by foos05 on Aug 29, 2009 1:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

PHUK THE PHILLIES BAHAHAHAHAHA.

by blumad on Aug 29, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

what’s the matter, sweetie?

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Aug 29, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

why...

are the braves a racist ballclub? they have an incredibly diverse club. in fact, they have 2 more races present on their club than the phillies do. dont judge a franchise by john rocker’s idiocy, which even braves players spoke out against.

by ryan c on Aug 29, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I dunno...

Maybe the “tomahawk chop” has something to do with it. I’ve been to pow wows and I’ve never seen any Native Americans running around doing this.

That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!

Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09

by HappyHuman on Aug 29, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Define “race”.

And what HappyHuman said.

by FuquaManuel on Aug 29, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'll let webster...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race

wait a minute….are you so racist that you only thought there were black and white. oh, how awful. diversity makes up the braves organzation and its coaches. i know the song “jesus loves the little children” says all children are red, yellow, black, and white, but that song is soooo outdated.

jurrjens- netherlands
prado- venezuela
moylan- australia
kawakami- japan
escobar- cuba
infante- venezuela
soriano- dominican
mike gonzalez- mexican american
garret anderson- african american
rest of the braves- caucasian

coaching staff
pendleton- african american
chino cadahia-latin american
eddie perez- venezuela
rest of braves coaches- caucasian

so, the profile cards that people in the U.S. have to fill out, I guess many of the braves players would have to select “other”. what a racist organization. if youre implying that the braves organization is racist to african americans, why dont you ask former players brian jordan, terry pendleton, and ron gant why they work for such an awful organization.

by ryan c on Aug 29, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

ryan c, they are referring to the tomahawk chop, while not racist…it is a bit insensitive to the American Indians.

Every organization has their racist roots, unfortunately. Philly and Boston were two of the worst and last to catch onto integration for instance.

by doubleh on Aug 29, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like how “Australian” is now a race.

by FuquaManuel on Aug 30, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

So is Netherlands

by phatj on Aug 30, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

meech thinks rape is funny

i’ll admit i don’t even get the joke — so rape is “scoring” for him? a woman running through a park is in “scoring position”?!? wtf?!? his site (fightins’) has just been removed from my bookmarks… he actually linked to this “twit” from his site he thought the joke was so funny.

http://twitter.com/meechone/status/3591533313

(btw i am a phillies fan — which is why i hate to see this kind of garbage from one of our fans)

by emily d. on Aug 29, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, that's just a bit tasteless

That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!

Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09

by HappyHuman on Aug 29, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meech is an idiot…and he purposely aims his lowbrow sense of humor at the worst elements of Philadelphia sports fandom. That’s his (and his blog’s) schtick. It is clearly hit or miss, and more often than not, it is miss for me.

by FuquaManuel on Aug 29, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my god

brian mccann has more class than any of the phillies players do besides utley. just shut the fuck up.

and do you guys really think citizens bank bandbox isn’t a high school field? give me a break.

Frank Wren for GM of the Year.

by Scott Coleman on Aug 29, 2009 4:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Citizens Bank Park:
Left field- 329 ft (100m)
Left center- 374 (114m)
The “Angle” (left of CF to LCF) – 409 feet (125 m) – 381 feet (116 m) – 387 feet (118 m)
Center field: 401 ft (122m)
Right center: 369 (112m)
Right field: 330m (101m)

Turner Field:
Left Field – 335 ft (102 m)
Left-Center – 380 ft (116 m)
Center Field – 401 ft (122 m)
Right-Center – 390 ft (119 m)
Right Field – 330 ft (100.5 m)

So, if Citizens Bank Park is a high school field? What does that make Turner Field?

by tat167 on Aug 29, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, that “short” left field has a higher wall – it varies from 12’8" to 19’, and right field is 13’3". AFAIK, all the Turner Field walls are just 8’.

Also, CBP makes the late-era Shibe/Connie Mack look tiny. The signs at Mack were posted in odd places (both left-center and right-center were marked in deep center field). The estimates are that post-1968 Connie Mack’s dimensions were:

Left field – 334 ft
Left center – 358 ft
Center – 447 ft
Right center – 355 ft
Right field – 329 ft

Other than the really deep center field (which had shrunk from the original 515(!) feet), Connie Mack was shallow, although right field had an absolutely huge 34 foot wall.

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Aug 31, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Class Is...

…whining about umpires, ball parks, weather?

by EastFallowfield on Aug 29, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why it bothers me

Because I actually like McCann as a player and thought he would be the last one to whine.

by doubleh on Aug 29, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's whining so much as paying a compliment to Howard.

He’s saying that Howard has so much power that you really have to be careful when you pitch to him or else even a ball that looks like a fly-out in most other parks will end up being a homerun.

"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner

by Little Lady on Aug 30, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you think we should shut up, as a Braves fan don’t you think it is high time your team shut up and dealt with the fact that they have to play there? I mean, complaining about the park isn’t going to change it. They have to play there regardless of how they feel about it and to keep harping on it is completely pointless and makes them look weak. Obviously, it is a hitters’ park, but your hitters should be excited to play there if it is the hitters’ park they make it out to be, rather than complaining about the Phillies taking advantage of it. I would have expected this from Failcouer, but McCann seems like the kind of guy who just goes out and plays so it is surprising to hear him do this when he had the same opportunity to hit there that Howard did.

"It was almost like if Harry didn't call it, it wasn't real." - Jayson Stark

by Chris Haines on Aug 29, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

two points

One, the two teams are always playing on the same field. In Atlanta, the whine du jour was that Turner Field was too big. (“We’d have had four or five home runs playing in their park.”) Here, it’s that CBP is too small. Good teams win wherever they play.

Which brings me to point #2: the Phillies are 41-23 in away games this season, by far the best road record in baseball.

by dajafi on Aug 29, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

All right, now THIS was funny

Pair of Mets fans (or maybe Cubs fans in disguise) at the Cubs/Mets game making light of the team’s injury situation by wearing slings on their arms and bandages on their heads.

That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!

Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09

by HappyHuman on Aug 29, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I really don't mind this...

…because it’s clear Howard and the ballpark are so deep inside the Braves’ heads that it just functions as another Phillies player (er, of the non-bench variety) on the field. McCann’s comments just point out what a bad managerial move it is to complain about things your team can’t really control (like ballpark dimensions and the weather) because players pick up on it. And if there’s any player on the opposing team I want worried about the dimensions or Howard, it’s the catcher.

by Wet Luzinski on Aug 29, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

+1000

The ballpark is obviously inside their heads and has been since its inception. Smoltz used to complain about it ad naseum. They are defeated before the game even starts sometimes.

I see the same thing happening with the new Yankee Stadium.

Braves fans/teams/etc. can complain all they want, but the Phils built a park that serves to their strengths. It is not a hitter’s paradise, but it is a homerun park. However, it is possible to pitch well there. You just can’t make a lot of mistakes.

by doubleh on Aug 29, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, the Braves are really lame.

For Who? My teammates.

For What? To Win.

How Much? Where do I sign?

by jonk on Aug 29, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

So…is he saying that he’s unable to hit the ball out of a high school ballpark?

Wow… If I were to argue against him in arbitration, I might have to mention that.

by willieflapjacks on Aug 29, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

good point about the tomahawk chop...

i’ll go tell deion sanders, who brought the chop to atlanta from florida state, that he is a racist bastard that brought racism to the atlanta braves. i dont mind the complaints about mccann (although media takes everything out of text to get a reaction, which obviously it did), but calling a franchise “racist” is absurd.

also, tell mr. “world fuckin’ champions” utley that he defines class. stop being delusional. phillies are a good team. ryan howard is a classy player. i will go back to the braves blog now, because i know thats where i belong. so you dont have to tell me.

by ryan c on Aug 29, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

We weren’t the ones who brought up the “class” argument—that was another Braves’ fan. Personally, the class thing is tired. These are athletes, not scientists curing cancer. I’m sure if you met 100 of these guys in person, you’d come away thinking 95% of them were a-holes.

Deion should have left that chop at Florida State. It’s not quite as bad as cowbells at an MLB game, but it’s pretty close to that nails on a chalkboard level.

by doubleh on Aug 29, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

couldn't agree more about the cowbell crap

frackin Rays fans should be shot. I would like to find the first few idiots who brought them to a game and stomp them Philly style.

by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Aug 29, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess it’s impossible for black people to be racist?

by barryjive on Aug 31, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

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