Smell the Glove: Mets 10, Phillies 9
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I just want to say that you can't solely blame Ryan Madson here. The entire pitching staff, start to finish, was utterly awful. And don't say "Oh, Jamie Moyer was great after that first inning!" That's idiocy. How about NOT ALLOWING FOUR RUNS BEFORE YOU GET AN OUT in the first place?
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Yup, and...
… all we needed Howard to do in the bottom of the 8th was either walk or get a base hit. Had that happened, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
My God, the pitching staff is starting to resemble the late-90s Phillies instead of the late-aughts.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Sep 13, 2009 12:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there were two outs there, nine runs should win you the game regardless
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by WholeCamels on Sep 13, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are starting to get a little stinky.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Sep 13, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Pitching
is like my mood swings. They both constantly change and are inconsistent with what I want at the time. Seriously, fail.
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by The Answer 3 on Sep 13, 2009 1:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Utterly awful?
The first inning by Moyer certainly fits that category and the eighth and ninth inning by the bullpen were awful, too. But I think your frustration at the outcome is changing your perception of what Moyer did. After the first five batters, he shut down the Mets for the equivalent of six shutout innings and then gave up one run on one hit in the 7th inning. He left with a four-run lead. If that fits your definition of utterly awful then your standards are way above mine. Moyer’s overall rating by game score was exactly the same as Cliff Lee’s on Wednesday when he beat the Nationals 6-5. That was not an awful performance, and the reason no one called it that was the bullpen did the job that night. They didn’t today.
by phillyinportland on Sep 13, 2009 4:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Jamies ERA for the game was 6.24, thats awful. I really dont care how many people he can send down in a row, 5 runs in 7 IP isnt going to cut it.
by philiafan14364 on Sep 13, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really don’t care that he regrouped after a rough start? Again, I think the fact that the bullpen blew the game is coloring the feelings you’re having toward Moyer. The fact that he was able to settle down and put the team in position to win that game speaks for his value to the team. He had a rough start but he didn’t create a situation where the bullpen had to be used for extra length; he completed seven innings, for goodness sakes. There may be games where five runs in 7 IP is going to be a poor performance, but not always. Just for the sake of argument, if the Phillies had built up a ten-run lead early and Moyer gave up five runs spread evenly over 7 IP and the Phillies won by something like 14-6, would you say that was an awful performance? The context matters, and to me the thing that matters more is that Moyer went out there inning after inning and gave the team an opportunity to win when a lot of times that game would have been over after the first inning.
by phillyinportland on Sep 13, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee
Well, no one said Lee pitched particularly well the other night. It’s why Wins and Losses are stupid stats.
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by WholeCamels on Sep 13, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was the worst loss since the Chris Roberson game in Atlanta two Septembers ago, which I’m convinced did long-term damage to my well being.
What made it particularly agonizing was that they did yesterday something they haven’t done in a month: hit well with guys on base. Well, except for Howard vs. Feliciano, which you could see coming that whole inning. I almost wanted Utley to expand the zone against the LOOGY, as he occasionally gets Feliciano; Howard is simply, agonizingly helpless against him. He can’t hit that sweeping breaking pitch—which isn’t a strike—and he can’t lay off it. I’d almost tell him not to swing when he’s facing that guy.
But it was about the bullpen. I think Myers had two strikes on everyone who reached against him; while his physical return from the injury is impressive, he seems as painfully dumb on the mound as ever.
by dajafi on Sep 13, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Feliciano’s sole reason to exist (and it’s an ample reason) is to neutralize Ryan Howard.
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by WholeCamels on Sep 13, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys, its only a game. Some times the Phillies play like the Phillies I remember from many years ago. Just winning a game was a special event to the fans. Now losing a game is as rare as winning one used to be. I remember when they would lose a doubleheader on Sunday and I would feel lousy for the rest of the week. Be happy for what you have, people.
by fan since late 40's on Sep 13, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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