Pedro's Destiny: Mets at Phillies Game Thread the Second, September 13, 2009
by WholeCamels on Sep 13, 2009 8:00 PM EDT
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Pedro Martinez faces his former teammates tonight in Philadelphia as the Phillies try to take 3 of 4 from the Mets. They face the inexplicably dominant-against-the-Phillies Tim Redding, who the Mets have wisely decided to keep on the payroll just to kill the Phillies. If they were smart, they'd just sit him against the rest of the league. A Phillies victory would officially eliminate the Mets from playoff contention.
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Hmmm…so they were focused on getting to 30 HR and charlie said to perform better with RISP and 2 out RISP
Thanks Joe – that makes me happy
Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned
by jemagee on Sep 13, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions
Hall of Famer™ Joe Morgan to you, sir!
by WanderingMoses on Sep 13, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s been the Sunday night crew all season hasn’t it?
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by jemagee on Sep 13, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I predicted you’d predict that
Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned
by jemagee on Sep 13, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
is there anyone in the pen who is definitely unavailable tonight?
by Boundforbeach on Sep 13, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
“1st Pitch Swing” Jroll is getting tiresome
by JohnIrvinKennedy on Sep 13, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions
he must’ve sensed he was getting on my nerves!
by JohnIrvinKennedy on Sep 13, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually saw some stats that might help explain what seems like a horrible tendancy. I read this a while ago, so my information will probably not be very accurate, but League wide (I think all MLB) First pitch is usually .320 average, 1-0 to 3-0 goes steadily up to .370 or some other really high number, 0-1, 1-2, and 0-2 goes down to about .200 and then even counts like 2-2 and full count were about .300.
So league wide, it seemed like it actually would make sense to swing at the first pitch batting average wise if you thought it was going to be called for a strike. Of course, there are a lot of other things to think about, OBP being a big one, but it was interesting to see that swinging at the first pitch is not all that crazy.
I'm no lawyer...
… but I’m pretty sure we’re more likely to face a Congressional Medal of Honor than murder charges if we kill Joe Morgan. How does this guy still have a job?
I agree Mr. Morgan . . .
. . . a sample size of ONE justifies your assertion that you should never run in that situation.
Fwargh....
So ONE hit with RISP is a start, right? Right? Blargh.
What the fuck...
… are “opps.” Good Lord, theyr’e on to Werth as “a winning player” and “clutch.” I am going to throw something through my TV. Do these guys intentionally parody the caricatures of themselves?
they think they’re appealing to a wider audience but I suspect they’re actually turning casual fans off to the sport
http://www.thegoodphight.com
No, unfortunately I think they’re turning the casual fan onto the sport. It suddenly hit me today that most people (including me at times) feel the need to believe people have a certain clutch ability, that they perform best when the pressure is highest, and the more you can show that the ability to hit (or pitch) in the clutch is due to skill and luck rather than “clutchiness” the more the average fan will either rebel or give up on baseball.
85th verse
Same as the first… I’ll be swearing into my mirror now.
elbow, upper back
Man. I know either Rollins/Victorino/Utley/Howard will be getting hit tonight.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
true
But who knows if one of the Mets pitchers decided to act like an idiot and hit one of the Phils.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
"You want to have a team that leads in categories"
“This is not one of them.” Thank you, Steve Phillips.
dude, you gotta put the radio on or these guys are going to push you off the edge
by Boundforbeach on Sep 13, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
And just when I think I'm off the announcers and onto the players...
… fucking Joe Morgan has to go and complain about the umpires.
I’d pay money for a device that would specifically mute Joe Morgan during the games.
by WanderingMoses on Sep 13, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s up there with Dan Dierdorf when he was on the MNF team…
by Boundforbeach on Sep 13, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Bill Walton and Tim McCarver qualify too.
by WanderingMoses on Sep 13, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I was at Game 4 of the 93 worid series and someone hung a giant banner that said “MC CARVER SUCKS” Everyone thought it was great but they made him take it down…
by Boundforbeach on Sep 13, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And now Steve Phillips think it's a good thing to be in a slump!
And normally Joe Morgan would agree with him! Anyeurism tonight? Perhaps. I swear these guys are trying to kill me.
Pedro is perfectly aligned with his career numbers this year – hitting .100 for his career, 1-10 this year.
So the conundrum is….do I watch the game and make a quiz for tomorrow knowing that the more aggravated i get, the harder the quiz will be…..or do I wait til tomorrow to make it?
First question (answer to be determined):
Do you believe in God after seeing last night’s closer? My guess: Myers gets the save and God’s existence is reaffirmed. But I’ve been wrong before.
Too bad most of them aren’t baseball fans. The question should be – the Redskins lost yesterday, does this deny the existence of God?
by WanderingMoses on Sep 13, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Normally that would prove His existence.
But only Satan would root for the Giants.
Sometimes your watching the ball rather than seeing it.
Think about that.
Remember the Mets juggernaut before Minaya?
Those fourth place finishes were orchestrated by Phillips.
All I know is
hand eye cross dominance is key. I’m pretty sure that was Wordsworth.
Lidge
I was watching the Baseball Tonight Cavalcade of Stars this afternoon and they did a big piece on how they believe Lidge is tipping his pitches, so batters know when it’s a slider and when it’s a fastball and that explains why he’s getting hit so much harder this season. Might be something to it, cause something sure is going on with Lidge.
by phillyinportland on Sep 13, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
possible, but wouldn’t our pitching coaches already know this if there was any truth to it?
by Boundforbeach on Sep 13, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point
You would think if it had been a problem and, let’s say Pedro Martinez came over from the Mets and knew what they looked for when Lidge pitched, he’d tell them. On the other hand it may be something so entwined with his delivery of the two pitches – and from what I’ve heard Lidge throws only two pitches – that he can’t disguise whatever this clue is.
by phillyinportland on Sep 13, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Line of the Night
Jon Miller: “He said you can call me Al.” As much grief as I’ve been giving the announcers tonight, I had to admit I laughed.
Martinez vs. Redding
So far it looks like another pitchers’ duel like Martinez vs. Lincecum.
by phillyinportland on Sep 13, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions
I like how the announcers keep talking about Ibanez's recent struggles.
Raul’s stats over the last 14 days: .310, .341, .667. I can live with that. But also, he’s having problem keeping his head on the ball (other than all video the have of him keeping his head on the ball).
This is why we need to hit
You’re not going to shut down the Mets forever.
Redding is around 85 pitches, correct?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
PHILLIES still in 3 week long funk
we cant save a game.
we cant hit in RISP at all.
we are making a lot more errors …
meanwhile the Rockies … are playing the best baseball in the NL…
I dont think the phillies will get the NLDS
You mean...
… we’re going to miss the playoffs? Or we’re going out in the first round?
Either is possible. My money is on the latter.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
oh"WE" will win the NL east
but go out in the NLDS … maybe if we are lucky in the NLCS
11-10 over last three weeks, roughly (last three sundays to date, inclusive)
and today’s 2nd game is not over.
Teams and games played over that stretch Mets 5 (and in progress), Pirates 3, Braves 3, Astros 4, Giants 3, Nats 3.
10 games vs. teams that are in it, sort of, and 6 vs rivals who want to spoil badly.
If that’s a “funk”, I’ll take it. 12-10 isn’t awful, considering 12 games were on the road.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
aint good enogh for the playoffs
the phiillies ALMOST lost all 3 games to the Nats
dident hit at all vs the pirates astros or or Giants
they ARE hitting better vs the Mets but they / Madson blew Yesterdays game and almost lost the 1st game this afternoon.
You impressed? I aint
lets see what happens 8th and 9th inning
But you know what
I’m happy that Pedro Martinez pitches for the Phillies.
by phillyinportland on Sep 13, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Likewise.
I once went to Fenway in 2002 where he pitched a 2-0 complete game shutout against the ChiSox. As you can imagine, he was awesome. I still see some flashes of “that” Pedro when he pitches.
Good pickup by Amaro, definitely.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Or maybe...
… it was the Twins. Either way, he was great.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Pedro’s 3.03 ERA is still above his career mark.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
So is his age.
Is there an ERA+ factor to adjust for age? gERAitol+, perhaps?
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh….one pitch. Pedro better be able to pitch the next three innings in 20 pitches or less combined.
by WanderingMoses on Sep 13, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
Late Joining
Hows the game going guys?
"I can play anywhere; First, Third, Left field, anywhere but Philadelphia." - Dick Allen
http://www.travismount.net
Did Jon Miller just call Pedro a worldclass penis?
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
pianist, i sense sarcasm however
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I am DVR’ing “Hung” on HBO right now, season finale, speaking of…
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Sep 13, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Goodbye, Redding.
May you be out of baseball next year.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
Did I see this dude’s stats right? Hit like .328 and an OBP of .339? Jeff Francouer?
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
on a totally unrelated note, did anyone catch the nonsense that Kanye West pulled at the VMAs tonight?
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
Seriously – the VMAs? Who cares?
I was driving home from picking up chinese for dinner and i saw a car with a freaking ‘twilight’ sticker on the back of it
Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned
by jemagee on Sep 13, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i could care less about the VMAs… that was just the venue… i just can’t fathom that there are individuals alive who are a complete waste of space like that guy
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
well, for every “George Bush doesn’t like black people”, theres a “Kanye West doesn’t like white people”
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, that just encouraged me to look it up… and what a jackass. He really is a gay fish.*
*South Park reference
by PhillyFriar on Sep 13, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He may be out there – but referring to him as a waste of space is just asinine
Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned
by jemagee on Sep 13, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
disagree yet again
I don’t care how much talent he has. It’s not “he’s out there”.
The guy is a first rate jerk who thinks “mefirst” all the time.
He has no remorse. He has no sense of decency.
He is a waste of space.
Hee-haw.
wow great pitching PEDRO
I cannot believe how great he has turned out to be
Folks has he exceeded YOUR expectations?
"The good old hockey game" > "Take me out to the ballgame"
Love both, but sorry, it’s true.
Pedro at 2.95. Pitch him second in the playoffs, seriously.
I honestly go Hamels-Pedro-Lee-Blanton
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
Are you still buying
the “proven playoff winner” thing? Hamels has not out-pitched the staff enough to start ahead of Lee at this point.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I actually think that Hamels maybe as good as Lee…honestly. However, who do you want pitching a game 7?
Hamels-Pedro-Lee-Blanton-Hamels-Pedro-Lee (game 7)
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
I'd have to look at scheduling
If possible, I’d want my 1 to start 3 games in a 7 game set. Your game 1 starter could have a shot at that.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Pedro might need an extra room on the road. For his balls.
Superb work from him tonight.
by dajafi on Sep 13, 2009 10:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
A healthy Pedro is clearly still a useful Pedro.
by FuquaManuel on Sep 13, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I figured Pete would be useful. Did not see 7IP of shutout ball. It is the Mets, though, and injuries have ravaged them.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He did almost the same thing to the Giants, didn't he?
Only giving up a run in 7IP..
Granted, the Giants lineup isn’t much better, but it was enough to beat Lincecum at the same time.
Lincecum can't hit, too.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Way to go Pete. Not enough to actually look at a pitch or two.
by WanderingMoses on Sep 13, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
Pedro Feliz is a terrible fucking baseball player. I feel like I have been saying that every day lately.
Pedro helping to keep scoring down. Feliz, that is.
One swing, two outs. Magic.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions
What, why the hate?
Oh, aside from not giving the guy who took a mild fastball to the leg some time to recover…
If it would be possible to have
a team get 3 outs on fewer than 3 pitches, my money would be on the Phillies being the team to pull it off. Oy fucking vey.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t think he trusts the bullpen. And I don’t blame him.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Sep 13, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
ummm where the hell was that?
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
It’s not even that it’s not the correct strike zone… it’s that he’s not even consistent from pitch to pitch. Sometimes it’s low, sometimes it’s high — it’s legitimately awful. Even if your zone sucks, just be consistent with it.
by PhillyFriar on Sep 13, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I have only seen parts of the game, but those two according to ESPN looked slightly off the plate.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
Not consistently being called balls is the problem.
by FuquaManuel on Sep 13, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, but some at bats he’s calling high strikes, then other at bats he’s giving you the low and away pitches… it’s lunacy.
by PhillyFriar on Sep 13, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd ask why Pedro is still pitching...
But after seeing the general abuse Phillies SP’s have taken, I know better than to ask.
So, time to hope all works well while wincing the entire way?
Where did the power from Beltran and Wright go
this year?
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
Pedro to go the distance ala curt schilling.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
It's not like the Phillies are concerned about putting
too many miles on Pedro. Use him up.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW!!!! pedro..... 91 mph at 121st pitch
can anyone blame cholly for staying out of the bullpen?
I cant
Quien es mas macho – Pedro or Charlie?
by phillyinportland on Sep 13, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
He's keeping him in?
Oh Christ… this can’t end well, can it?
Murphy is the biggest bone headed player. Wheels would call him mexicanish.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
Irish Space Cadet
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Sep 13, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Btw, that was a World Series cheer when Charlie left Pedro on the mound. Against it, but it made me smile.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
Pedro -- you were fucking awesome tonight.
Genuflect, gentlement.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, awesome performance
As to the end of the 8th, sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.
How about we be both lucky AND good in the 9th. Pretty please?
ya know Ruiz is a damn fine catcher
he is know Darren Daulton but he aint bad
and he damn fine defensively
Some roids would probably
make Ruiz more Daultonish.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
naa… he’s probably met Dutch once or twice… so i’d say he probably knows him… not saying their drinking buddies, but they probably know each other
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
So, they bring in Stairs to draw the LHP
Then sub in Big Ben to counter?
And he strikes out anyway...
They just HAVE to make this interesting, don’t they?
I’m glad the surgery fixed my heart. This game might kill me otherwise…
Success is not a faithful girlfriend eh?
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
is that the cause or consequence?
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
It’s why you don’t give a shit if she is faithful or not.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
What are the odds that the Phillies can win a game where the
other team throws a combined 3 hitter?
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t know. But I wish the Fangraphs game graph had a discount for “shitty bullpen” that would give us a more realistic view of what our odds were here.
by PhillyFriar on Sep 13, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You can make that adjustment yourself...
but [sarcasm] let’s imagine the positive outcome and our collective visualization will be realized. [/sarcasm]. I’m making diamonds from coal tonight, too.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like our series against the Giants
Now we’re facing a small upgrade as far as the lineup goes.
And the best part is:
Even if the Phillies lose, they are still going to the playoffs. Chill. All will be well, I promise.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
HOW?
not hitting with RISP and having NO closers isnt a way to get back to the WS
playoffs about three weeks away, lots can happen, they might get hot again
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Sep 13, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
a win is a win
simple euphimism is simple
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 13, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
RISP hitting = luck
Closer = cult. Go matchups. It’ll be fine. The playoffs are a crapshoot anyway. FFF, and 2008 is flying right now. An extra would be a bonus.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
ditto
The heat + the change = effective.
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by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
As the closer he has a certain avoidance of the change.
by WanderingMoses on Sep 13, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I take that back.
Bring him back for the next batter plzkthx?
Frenchie shows some good patience.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
THROW...THE...FUCKING...CHANGEUP!!!
RUIZ: HEAD OUT OF ASS
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
Mets eliminated
w00t!
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by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
Can’t win a 1-0 game in this joke park.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
Certainly not twice in one year.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Or twice within 14 days
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, Mets eliminated
By Pedro M. and in a 1-0 game in the bandbox they moan about all the time.
by EastFallowfield on Sep 13, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions
Well, technically...
The Mets aren’t yet eliminated from the Wild Card. Granted, Colorado’s magic number for eliminating them is 1, but who’s counting that?
Technically...
Mets have 81 losses. Colorado has 82 wins, can’t lose more than 80 games, therefore, the Mets are eliminated…
by EastFallowfield on Sep 13, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
True dat, though
the Mets have been zombies for a while now — dead, but still marching. It’s nice to make it official, though. Especially against the Phillies, in Philly, with Pedro on the hill:
"It is not a coincidence my friend, it is destiny." http://phuturephillies.com/2009/07/26/the-pedro-experience/
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
219-99
Pedro going into the hall as a Phille.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
Expo, baby, Expo.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting...
So MLB’s magic numbers were off a bit?
Ah, looking further at it..
They didn’t adjust the wild card number until well after the first game. The Mutts truly are done then.
Time to root for them as spoilers.
Could someone post obituaries for teams as they are eliminated?
Seriously? That would be sort of fun, not just for NL East, but for baseball generally. It’d be a neat post-mortem feature for somewhere like BP or TSN:
Here lie the Mets, felled by injuries…yadda, yadda, yadda.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Sep 13, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions
Well...
Cleveland, Baltimore, Kansas City, New York (Mutts), Arizona, Pittsburgh, and Washington are all out of the playoff hunt. Write away with them.
On the brink are Toronto and Oakland (1 game from elimination) and San Diego and Cincy (2 games from being gone). Every other team is 6 or more games from being gone.
Joe Miller said the Phils magic number was 5 at the start of the game tonight….think he lopped off a digit.
It's 14 now
If the standings are accurate.
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