General Lee vs. The Army of the Potomac: Nationals at Phillies Game Thread, September 15, 2009
by WholeCamels on Sep 15, 2009 7:00 PM EDT
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Cliff Lee will attempt to rebound to the form that helped sell a million t-shirts in his first five starts for the Phillies in a home start against the Washington Nationals. He'll be opposed by Garrett Mock.
Discuss the game below.
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I’d just like it if he stayed around his season average for the in play balls as opposed to what went on in 2 of the past 3 games
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by jemagee on Sep 15, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions
If only you could come up with some sort of way to bufoon it of disdain it
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by jemagee on Sep 15, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted to use “Lee Takes Washington” as my recap title when they won the game he started there last week, but I felt like his performance didn’t quite justify it.
well, we Civil War buffs appreciate the effort.
I wanted Washington to name their franchise the Federals, or even the Federales.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 15, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
With nearly 100 losses in the past couple of seasons, ‘Generals’ would be appropriate.
by WanderingMoses on Sep 15, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
17,000 straight wins would never get tiring, honestly.
by WanderingMoses on Sep 15, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t the generals actually beat the globetrotters in a legitimate way recently?
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by jemagee on Sep 15, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but if the Phillies went 162-0 for 20 straight seasons and 161-1 in one season, would you be disappointed?
by WanderingMoses on Sep 15, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
What would philadlephia fans DO without any losses?
I was just wondering if my memory was right.
I’m pretty shocked the globetrotters still exist
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by jemagee on Sep 15, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
My nominee was the Mongooses (Mongeese) in honor of Mon – treal and Senators Hall of Famer “Goose” Goslin. Animals always make the best team nicknames, don’t they?
by phillyinportland on Sep 16, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
how about a fresh new way for a RISP fail?
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 15, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
buy, we’re full of nice surprises in inning #1
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 15, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a sac here is a mistake. The phils haven’t shown much ability to score from 3rd w/ 1 out as opposed to 2nd. You’re just giving an out for nothing.
I’m wasn’t talking about a bunt, I wanted him to hit it to the right side of the field, but I guess they decided that bunting was better.
by phillyphan9208 on Sep 15, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
In general they are mistakes
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by jemagee on Sep 15, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
While we have a second, could someone post that short clip of Sandoval (I think) falling around second base? I saw it at TGP before. I need a laugh.
Sandoval
The MLB network had the Giants-Rockies game on tonight. Don’t know who the announcers were but they were sharp. The camera panned the dugout and lingered on Sandoval picking his nose. One of the announcers remarked, “It looks like Pablo Sandoval’s hoping he picked the right team to be on tonight.”
Who says there’s no humor in baseball?
by phillyinportland on Sep 16, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn – no Nebraska perfecto tonight
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by jemagee on Sep 15, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions
Yea, but all they were were hard hit balls, thats the most important thing.
by phillyphan9208 on Sep 15, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, but great piece of hitting by Werth, way to say in there and hitting it up the middle.
by phillyphan9208 on Sep 15, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
CF was coming in quick, really had no chance to score
he was only 30 ft behind second
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Sep 15, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
ooh, I love how these bases loaded, no out situations end
fortunately we have our highest OBP hitter up now.
have you seen him at the dish this year? If he wasn’t such a highly prized pitcher, I suspect he would’ve supplanted Beardo on the PHer pecking order.
I know that, but at this point in the game, it makes the most sense to bunt him over so Rollins could hit him in, but it doesn’t matter because Rollins does it anyways.
by phillyphan9208 on Sep 15, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee makes sense though he is a good hitter. Victorino bunting is kind of an odd decision though in my opinion.
Yeah, I was a little stunned that Charlie did that, but it has worked out tonight, so why should we worry?
by phillyphan9208 on Sep 15, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Giving up outs hardly ever makes sense
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by jemagee on Sep 15, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless it scores the winning run
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by jemagee on Sep 15, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Wish I could listen to them, Ive got the duo of Carpenter and Dibble. My ears are bleeding from the crap they talk about.
by phillyphan9208 on Sep 15, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, being down here in FL, I have my choice and I choose the Phillies, lol
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Sep 15, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Im down here in FL, but I got DirecTV and they aren’t really friendly with Comcast.
by phillyphan9208 on Sep 15, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Kyle Drabek's a cutie
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
He’s got that sweet “All-American Kid” face.
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
I'd hit it.
Oh yes.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
Joe lives down here in Fl about 12 miles away
lives 2 doors down from a buddy of mine on the golf course
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Sep 15, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
well, the Cleveland series would be interesting. And my college roommate is a White Sox fan. I have SABRmetricish appreciation for the Twins. The Tigers are there. And it’s interesting to see if I can remember any of the names on the Royals from in-between trips waiting in line with my kids for the moon bounce at Wilmington.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 15, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Red Sox, Yankees, Jays, Indians, Twins
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Sep 15, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
not the easiest interleague draw out there. Oh to be the Cardinals.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 15, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i just love that our natural rivals are now the Red Sox, Yankees and Jays
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Sep 15, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I would kill to have the Phils come to Baltimore….much easier to get to than DC.
by WanderingMoses on Sep 15, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
used to live just south of B-more in 80's and early 90's (Odenton)
loved going to games in Memorial and Camden Yards
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Sep 15, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Pass through Odenton every day on 175.
by WanderingMoses on Sep 15, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
where you work, THE no such agency
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Sep 15, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Down by DC, I cut across 175 to GB from the B/W parkway instead of going all the way up to 100.
by WanderingMoses on Sep 15, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Ruiz becoming a good hitting catcher? Maybe not, but after a horrid slump the dude is on fire.
OPS by month:
.697
.970
.482
.606
.951
1.009
Which puts him at .788 for the year.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
If he works on his hitting....
… he could be a .280 guy. Combine that with his defense and his ability to call games, and you’ve got yourself a helluva catcher. He already excels at catchmanship.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
What’s a .280 guy? Was Schmidt a .280 guy?
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
I still don’t know what a .280 guy is or why we want one.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
I don’t know what hitting .280 consistently means either. If you are hitting .280, what does consistently mean? Not sure why that would make him a top 3 catcher either. There is more to the game than batting average, dontchaknow.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
I think the Phillies generally have it right when it comes to catcher. Like the Eagles with linebackers, catchers are probably overvalued because they typically only burn brightly for a few years. So, you concentrate on the defensive skills and run prevention, rather than flashy offensive stats.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 15, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
but it wouldn't hurt to have someone like V Martinez
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Sep 15, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
AVG by NL Catchers (qualified for batting title)
Yadier Molina .283
Brian McCann .281
Benji Molina .263
Russell Martin .240
Yeah..I think I’d take .280. You should too.
Ruiz has a much higher OPS than both Molinas. Seriously dude.
For Who? My teammates.
For What? To Win.
How Much? Where do I sign?
so if you wouldn’t take Chooch with a batting average 20 pts higher than where he is….who would you take in his place that is a reasonable replacement?
You’re not getting: McCann, Mauer, V-Mart, Posada, so hang that up.
he’s a career
BA OBP SLG OPS ▾
.246 .336 .378 .714
and, he is 30 years old. So chances are we are looking at peak here.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 15, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Only for burning out the rotation, as my father reminds me all the time of.
by WanderingMoses on Sep 15, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn’t you just say that about all of the Nationals?
by phillyphan9208 on Sep 15, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
for those on the interwebs, a dad in the front row caught the foul ball, nice catch, gave it to his toddler daughter, who threw it over the side.
Hope someone gets them a replacement.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 15, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’d be nice if one of the Phillies game staff brought them a ball.
Little kids are funny. “It’s a BALL! I gotta throw it!” Oops, now it’s gone.
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
MLB Network is MLB’s answer to NFL Network. I think they only show live games once, myabe twice a week, but they do live look-ins all over MLB at key points in games. Like baseball tonight, but less smarmy.
I live in the WAS/BAL official MLB territory, so I wouldn’t know if they blackout local games, since neither of those teams has been shown (not that I recall)
like ESPN, can get a little Yankees-Red Sox crazy, but like the vaunted NBC Game of the Week days, they do get around to ballparks you very rarely see.
John Kruk should stick to dark suits though.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 15, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody else think it’s a but crappy that Dobbs/Condrey played/are playing for Lakewood as rehab starts while Lakewood is in the post-season?
normally would say yes, but this time of year its the only place to rehab
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Sep 15, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
disagree with Sarge, rooting for Marlins over Cards
we have a good lead in division and can take care of Marlins ourselves
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Sep 15, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions
Is that fan going to get in trouble for climbing over the fence like that?
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
he shouldn't, he didn't go on field, its just not a seating area
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Sep 15, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's true
It’s just not something I would do…mostly ‘cause once I got down there I wouldn’t be able to get back up! :-D
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
him and Jimmy should both hit like that
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Sep 15, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions
well…if none of the three umps saw it…you can’t really argue with ’em, but the replay was pretty obvious.
So is he General Lee now? 
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
The Gen. Lee is one of my favorite collector’s items. I have like 15 different sizes of models of the car. The unfortunate part is that there is no Catherine Bach to go with them.
by WanderingMoses on Sep 15, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
true, true. On a related note, “Boss Hogg” would be a fantastic baseball nickname.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 15, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Winnah!
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
Michael Taylor
I was really impressed with Michael Taylor when he was being interviewed by Wheels and T-Mac. He’s incredibly articulate and mature.
Is it too early...
… to start magic number-speak?
They’re already doing it on Yahoo, but I personally don’t start taking it seriously until it’s under 10.
That said, we’ll be under 10 if we sweep the Nats and the Marlins lose one more game.
Sorry I was not here to defend my earlier flurry-starting comment on Chooch. I’m in work training this week and my free time is little.
But yeah, if Chooch was a consistent .280 hitter – meaning he averaged out to one-plus hits per night – I’d take that in a heartbeat. I was a big Lieberthal fan fer cryin’ out loud.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
mlb.com standings link is listing it as “E#”
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 15, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
NEED TICKETS
gonna come up last weekend of year, family function on Sat
need tix for friday and sunday
any help??
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Sep 15, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
don’t have any, but have enjoyed success on StubHub. Try to exploit some of the price elasticities—meaning pass up the row 1 seats. If you just want to get in, find the cheapest ones, go early, and stake out SRO in the infield with the barstyle ledges to put your stuff.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 15, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
stub hub prices
started at least 2 times face value and went up exponentially from there
2 times face was for $22 in upper level
had some $125 for first row HR territory in outfield and prices just went up the closer you get to the infield
Thanks though
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Sep 16, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
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