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Some Random Thoughts After a Night at the Phillies' Game

When I originally got tickets to last night's game, I was hoping it would be the clincher.  Actually, I was hoping the team would have already clinched, but figured that at worst, last night's game would do it.  But, alas, all last night's game did was bring the Phillies within 1 game of clinching.  Not the same as clinching, but I'll take it.

So after a night at the game, rather than bringing you some deep analysis of matters of import to the Phillies, here's a random collection of thoughts about the game, the team, and other matters:

  • The Phillies now stand 1 win or 1 Braves' loss away from clinching the NL East.  As it stands, they've clinched a tie.  They have a 99.96% chance of making the playoffs.  Maybe you're the more cautious type, but I'll consider this pretty much a sure thing.
  • Citizens Bank Park was a very exciting place to be last night.  The fans were not only into the game but also were very clearly closely following the Braves' game on the out-of-town scoreboard.  When the Marlins took their final lead, there were cheers.  This is a passionate and intelligent fanbase.
  • It's also a fanbase that knows how to wave a rally towel.  Whoever invented these things is a genius.  They create a really great effect in the crowd while giving you something else to do to get excited.  They're also wonderfully fun for 3 year olds to play with during the game.  And they make great rags for at home once the game is done.
  • The out-of-town scoreboard at Citizens Bank Park is great.  It really gives you all the information you want to know -- inning, who's up, how many outs, and men on base.  It's updated quickly, and major events get described in the text scoreboard separating the AL and NL games.  Of course, it's only a great source of information if you can see it, which is a problem if you're in right field.
  • On the flipside, even though I've been to scores of games at CBP since it opened, I still always have trouble quickly finding the count during an at-bat.  It's posted in a variety of places, but none of them seems "natural" to me and none are so prominent that you can't miss them.
  • I still don't understand how last night could have been the 68th sellout in 76 games and yet the attendance at all those games varies.  If it's a sellout, shouldn't it have exactly X number of tickets sold, no more, no less?
  • Even though there's been some attention paid to the issue over the years, the Phillies still don't attract a diverse group of fans to the ballpark.  Everywhere you look at CBP, the fans are white.  It seemed like I could count the number of African-American fans on two hands.  And Asian or Latino fans seemed nonexistent.  And this isn't just something I noticed last night.  It's every game I attend.
  • At first, I was very concerned that J.A. Happ threw 120 pitches.  Looking at his game log though shows he has thrown a similar number of pitches a few times already this year and been able to recover.  However, it's been a long season, he's never had this kind of a workload, he's been injured, and his other high-pitch games were not as much of a struggle for him.  So, after looking into it, I'd say I'm moderately concerned about him going forward.
  • Finally, related to the picture accompanying this post, did the Phan-a-vision trivia question last night really have to come from something that took place during the 1964 season?  Who was the genius responsible for that?

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Rally towels were invented by Vancouver Canucks fans in 1982.

I believe sellout attendance totals vary because of standing room tickets. To have a sellout, you just need to sell out all of your actual seats.

by taco pal on Sep 30, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Terrible Towel -> Rally Towels

Are rally towels a descendant of the Pittsburgh Steelers “Terrible Towel”. They date back before 1982, and were/are very popular at Steelers games.

by JWoody on Sep 30, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting.

Maybe the way to synthesize that is: the Steelers invented the waving of towels, but the Canucks were the first to wave white towels?

by taco pal on Sep 30, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Demographics

When you look at the city’s demographics, a crowd of 44/45K white people represents, on any given night, 6.75% of the city’s white population (if you believe US Census estimates in cities). If a Flyers game is going on, or a heavy rock concert, it’s gotta border on close to 10%.

I know that most fans, like me, don’t live in the city, but still this is a significant influx of white people into the city 81x/yr+ (assuming playoffs). If you are used to daily life in and around Center City, the parade had to feel like a White Invasion.

The Eagles seem to be the only sports franchise that can consistently unite the city across racial boundaries.

by Wet Luzinski on Sep 30, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and for all the Heritage Nights they have, I don’t recall (but correct me if I’m wrong) an African-American Heritage Night, unless the counter-argument is that this is all part of the Jackie Robinson weekend MLB typically does.

by Wet Luzinski on Sep 30, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Sixers’ fan base is about as diverse as the Eagles’. They’re less popular across the board, though, of course.

by taco pal on Sep 30, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except that "Philadelphia"

is far larger than the city. Is Norristown “Philadelphia”? West Chester? Exton? KoP? Etc.

Yes, insofar as the fanbase is concerned.

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Sep 30, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, Center City is one of the whitest areas of the city, so an "invasion’ there isn’t really all that noticeable, compared to how it would be if the parade were held in, say, Kensington.

The sports complex area is pretty white too, to the extent that anyone actually lives down there.

by taco pal on Sep 30, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

balls/strikes

Agreed. It’s not prominent or visible. IIRC one problem is that the count vanishes behind other screens and advertisements—so it’s difficult to consistenly look at one place for the info. This is certainly the case with the pitch count data out in right field near the OoT scoreboard.

I also have trouble finding scoring decisions, which aren’t left up nearly long enough.

by Wet Luzinski on Sep 30, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i thought the ball strike count is on Phanvision (or whatever they call it)

if you are able to see it. i like to keep score, and i agree about scoring decisions (they are usually on the side where the line score is) are only left on for a little bit.

by Halos in DE on Sep 30, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scoring decisions

Agreed completely. Last night, the only way to figure out that there was catcher’s interference in the top of the fifth was by inference — foul ball, guy goes to first base, no hit added to the score board, but an error was added.

by David S. Cohen on Sep 30, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re: the 68th sellout

I’m pretty sure that the attendance figures are based on the number of tickets sold, not the number of people there. so, cbp claims to have a capacity of 43,500—so any time it is over that figure, they call it a sellout. (I imagine the way that it goes over that figure is with SRO tickets + additional people in suites?).

by char6587 on Sep 30, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

difference between a sellout and full attendance?

I’m probably wrong, but doesn’t a sellout just refer to all the tickets being sold, while the attendance reports how many people actually showed up at the park?

by BigPhillyStyle on Sep 30, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m pretty sure they are always using the tickets sold number and never the turnstyles number..

by char6587 on Sep 30, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just googled this and found: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31991114.html.

“Team officials say they consider a game a sellout when the team is reduced to selling single seats, standing room only and obstructed view”

that may just be for the brewers, but I imagine the way things work in philly are similar.

by char6587 on Sep 30, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

standing room and more

Many teams include the press box and even employees in their attendance count. So if the opposing team has sent 20 media instead of 10, or if the charity that’s manning some concession booths sends 100 kids instead of 50, it all goes into the number.

by zambonirodeo on Sep 30, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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