Some Phillies Links For You, October 11, 2010: Bring 'Em On, Cole Hamels is an Excellent Pitcher
by WholeCamels on Oct 11, 2010 8:22 AM EDT
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Philly pitchers turn Cincinnati red
Wow, the Reds had more errors (7) than runs (4) in this series.
Delaware County Eagles-Phillies fans don’t miss a beat with two TVs (With Video)
First World problems!
Long layoff cost Oswalt; running props up offense
Thanks for the Nugget of Worry, Roy.
Giants: Notable multiple-error postseason performances
I'm having a hard time just thinking about Brooks Conrad right now. Just brutal. And I clearly have no love for the Braves.
Phillies, Yankees wait for other series to finish
I'm pretty ambivalent. On the one hand, the Braves are really banged up, but the Giants aren't so good at hitting. Regardless, if you don't play well against you're opponent, you'll probably lose, no matter who they are.
Drug charge dropped for Phillies prospect Gillies
Good news for everyone.
Sam Donnellon: In clinching game, it was Hamels of 2008, not '09
Somewhere, Matt Swartz shakes his head with resignation.
Atlanta deactivates closer Wagner
Kind of a big deal for the Braves, although that bullpen is still pretty deep.
Phillies ready to humiliate all NL opponents
Bondage and degradation.
Joey Votto disappointed but excited about Reds future
Yeah this could be a tough ballclub going forward.
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Tyson Gillies
I wonder how RAJ pulled that off
I’m new here, btw, but a frequent poster in the Phils thread over on the Eagles MB. Greetings, TGP.
Negative drug test agrees with you. No RAJ spinning needed there.
Contreras and I were just looking at him eating this iguana thing over white rice and he put it away like it was a double cheeseburger, you know?
by LeepinLizardz on Oct 11, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Get off my lawn?
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Oct 11, 2010 8:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not from a 26 year old. Hamels could be really, really good for a really, really long time. /fingers crossed
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Satan
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 11, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
My best friend’s wedding is on Saturday, and I have already told him that come hell or high water, at 8 PM, I am jetting out of the reception to watch the game…luckily, he understands.
You could just please everyone and have a TV brought to the reception…. I’m sure everyone will be thankful
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
Luckily, the reception ends around 8, but not a whole lot of people at this wedding are baseball fans, so a TV would probably be out of the question.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 11, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
What kind of sick family is this?!!
by schmenkman on Oct 11, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was my thought. After five days with no Phillies baseball, how could they let the torture go on any longer?
by phillyinportland on Oct 11, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Cole's Post Game Interview
I’m trying to find a link for this, but from what I recall, Cole seemed to indicate that Halladay was leader and he (Cole) was learning how to be a better leader from him (Halladay).
We all know the cliches of athlete-speak post-game, but this particular exchange struck me as telling at the time. I think we’re really seeing the maturation of a pitcher and it’s pretty damn cool.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
was A leader
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m willing to believe that he picked up an additional 0.10 or so of ERA/FIP due to increased maturity this year.
This is a great point and one of the reasons I enjoy TGP. The bloggers here continually challenge the media-fueled fan perspective with a focus on data. I know that I like it when my pitcher acts cool and confident rather than petulant, but it may not necessary translate into a performance increase. Likewise, when Cole pitches a CGSHO and gives credit almost immediately to the Ace of Aces, I perceive maturity where maybe Cole’s just learning to give the right pre-set speech at the right time. Do these ‘leadership intangibles’ translate to the field? That, I don’t know.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Ace of Aces
Phillies starters’ cards for a hand of poker:
Halladay: Ace
Oswalt: Ace
Hamels: Ace
Blanton: One-eyed Jack
Kendrick: 5 (I banged a ten last night…well, she was a five, but I banged her twice…)
Moyer: Instructions on how to play Old Maid
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a possibility that Game 1 begins in the afternoon, or will Fox not permit that since it is game 1?
by WanderingMoses on Oct 11, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
Usually when you get to the LCS stage, whenever there are two games they start at 4:00 and 8:00 Eastern. I’m not sure if FOX or MLB has the bigger say-so, but if it’s MLB, I would think the Yankees would get the 8:00 slot. Then again, the 8:00 slot is less desirable on a Saturday than it is on weekdays, so who knows.
Although it will be game 2 for the Yanks and their opponent, so I don’t know. Hence the question.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 11, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
What I’ve observed, unfortunately, is that MLB and the networks are not often moved by considerations of fairness. If the Yankees and/or Red Sox have already gotten the benefit of good time slots for Games 1 through X, that will have no bearing on whether they will do the exact same thing at the expense of giving another team a bad time slot for Game X+1.
I’m pretty sure I read the Phils have the earlier game. I don’t think they do day game right after a night game in the playoffs which is what the Yankees series would have if they don’t have the night game.
by youaretheman26 on Oct 11, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn it, then I am going to miss it.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 11, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
How it’s worked at least the last two years during the LCS is that they switched off. I know last year the Yankees/Angels were actually moved to the afternoon slot (the day of the Rollins hit off Broxton). This after taking the night slot for their game 1 (the same day as Pedro/Padilla in LA). They did it that way in 2008 as well. Maybe it’s about appeasing both TBS and Fox by giving them equal prime-time slots.
There are four possible days that could house two games…even given the Yankee involvement, I’d be stunned if the night games weren’t split 2/2.
Scratch that. Matt Gelb tweeted:
Both Saturday and Sunday (Games 1 and 2) will be primetime games, likely 8:07 starts or thereabouts.
by youaretheman26 on Oct 11, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m ok with the earlier start, honestly. I want to see it with my kid. 8:00 makes that impossible. go ahead, MLB…dis the Phillies!!
/Br’er rabbit’d
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed on the Reds future. Drew Stubbs, Jay Bruce and Joey Votto should be stars for the next decade. Chapman, Bailey, Wood, Leake and Cueto could be a horrifying gauntlet to face in any series a few years from now. And they have a boatload of young role players and bench guys (Heisey, Francisco, Frazier, Alonso, Cosart, etc) that could give them nice depth all over the field.
In 2 years the Reds could be the new powerhouse of the NL.
They won’t be able to afford everyone though, so they’ll have to be judicious in knowing whom to spend money on and whom to let go, while keeping their player development pipeline going. Not impossible, but not easy either.
Also, they have a Cosart too?
Yeah, Jared Cosart, SS. He’s essentially their Kevin Stocker. Solid, but unspectacular. Probably a career as a Utility guy.
I agree expense will become an issue, but everyone not named Scott Rolen is pretty young and will be in Arbitration for several years. I mean Edison Volquez at 27, will be their oldest Starting Pitcher by almost 3 years next Opening day. Their window is probably wider than anyone else’s in the NL right now.
A lot will depend on their revenue/payroll. Despite a great season their attendance has been disappointing. If they can start filling up the park on a regular basis and can take on more salary, then they can make the necessary moves to make themselves a true contender.
Their park is a disaster. Well, actually, their parking is a Disaster (capital d on purpose). There is literally no parking anywhere near Great American. The best bet is to actually go to Kentucky and ferry back across the park. And the Mass transit isn’t like Philly or New York, so getting to the park is frankly a pain in the ass, by all accounts. They’re now, supposedly, building parking decks in the neighborhood, so that should help their attendance some.
Bailey also not withstanding. They rushed Bailey to the Majors, but he’s still young and has the stuff to be a top of the Rotation guy.
Cueto isn’t chopped liver.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That ought to be an interesting Spring Training as they’ll have 6 pretty damned good Starters competing.
he kinda fell off the radar. was just wondering if he could be a reclaimation cheap 5th starter type.
I’m sure another team will give him a shot. His fastball velocity wasn’t down at all this year, for what it’s worth, although its effectiveness sure was.
Poor guy. Dusty abused him worse than any other pitcher he’s ever had, I think.
They have a ton of young talent on both sides of the ball. The pitching is crazy, but Votto/Bruce/Stubbs is a pretty great lineup core. And I might be alone here, but I like Brandon Phillips. Jocketty was smart to surround his young guys with vets like Rolen, Cabrera and Hernandez; as they age out, their production won’t be missed so much, and Votto et al will set the tone. Agree they’ll be tough for years to come.
Phillips is okay, but he exacerbates the problem that they have no actual lead off hitter. He’s similar to Rollins in that regard. Their big stumbling block could be replacing Rolen.
This is true, but just like Rollins (well… a healthy Rollins), Phillips is both a fantastic defender and a well above average hitter at his position. Beyond Utley, Pedroia, and Cano, Phillips might be the best remaining second baseman in the game.
If I’m a Reds fan, I really do worry that Dusty Baker is managing this collection of talent.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
I’ll also add that I’m a big Yasmani Grandal fan; one of the safer college bats drafted over the past few years, and he’s a switch-hitting catcher to boot. They’ll have some holes to fill over the next few years (shortstop and third base spring to mind), but they have impressive organizational depth almost all over the diamond.
I imagine Devin Mesoraco will be up to Catch this time next year, though long term he’s probably a Todd Pratt quality backup type guy.
Thought the Line from MLB.com was clever. Phillies fill Red Stockings with Cole.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
That yahoo article is kind of embarrassing. “Ageless. Expressionless. Dangerous. Ibanez.” It sounds like a perfume commercial.
I also don’t think he’s all that expressionless. Nor do I think Utley is the “embodiment of California cool,” or that Chooch is “wily”.
He also says
The back of the bullpen is the only question mark, although Ryan Madsen and Brad Lidge(notes) haven’t caused heart palpitations in a while.
The back end of the bullpen is not the question mark, actually. It’s the middle relief and lack of add’l lefthanders. And you spelled Madson wrong. J/a.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
I read the comments and just noticed Charlie Manuel in the crowd. That’s taking it the extra mile.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Found this one online
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
by doubleh on Oct 11, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
MOAR!!!
http://www.zoowithroy.com/2010/10/cole-hamels-fist-pump-photoshops-part-2.html
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Go see the new ones added. Love the Beatles Abbey Road one.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
My faves are Sonny Liston and Iwo Jima.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
So does Charlie consider switching up Oswalt and Halladay in the rotation?
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
And Cole. Where as it didn’t seem to help Roy Lite. So pushing him back may or may not be the best thing. Just throwing that out there.
I guess as it sits now, you could have each guy make two starts with Joe starting game 4, and that would allow for Cole to start game 7 if need be.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Let the debate begin!
How wonderful that the biggest concern right now is how to align the rotation. A suffocating 3-0 series will do that.
The playoffs can be like war 1 — long periods of boredom, punctuated by brief moments of terror. Enjoy the eye of the storm, because I suspect we will all have some moments before this is done. FWIW, before the Votto GIDP, I was having one of those terror moments.
1 Not suggesting, even for a second, that “baseball playoff stress” is equivalent to the stress of combat in magnitude or effect. Just that the pattern is similar right now.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Worried? WTF?!? Are you yankin' my prayer beads?
Even if we’d lost we’d still be up a game with the Roys slated to pitch and I doubt Oswalt would lay another goose egg. I woulda bet the next fucking lama on the Philles to still finish off the Reds if that shit happened.
As a committed Buddhist
I’m about to declare our equivalent of a fatwa on you for using our spiritual leader in this way. Except that we don’t do fatwas. And also except that the Dalai Lama would probably actually find this amusing. So never mind, forget the whole thing.
My Rotation:
Game 1: Roy Oswalt, granted he’ll obviously still have alot of rest but at least by pushing him up a spot maybe we can get him a little more workload and make him feel comfortable. Whereas the other two aces seem to be comfortable with the long-rest.
Game 2: Roy Halladay, The Ace of Aces hopes to give us a 2-0 lead in the series.
Game 3: Cole Hamels, 3-0 :D.
Game 4: Joe Blanton, he’s had a strong September and I think he can carry us deep into a ball-game. Life’s good when you got a guy like Blanton at the back-end of your starting rotation.
Blanton will be what 2 1/2 weeks since his last in game pitch at that point? It’s a shame he wasn’t the first reliever brought in during Game 2, just to help keep him sharp for the NLCS.
You know, I just thought of a new nickname for the big 3: 3D, as in three dimensional :). Because this stuff’s unbelievable.
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 11, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if you would rather the Phillies face the Giants in the NLCS, is there any reason to root not for the Braves to win tonight to force a Game 5?
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
I would rather they lose Game 5, bottom of the 9th on an error by anointed savior Heyward. Thereby conflicting their feelings for him for the next 10 years.
Even though the playoffs are the crapshoot that they are, a scenario like that would be perfect, both in terms of schadenfreude and the Phillies getting a decent draw in the NLCS.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
Consensus!
Any word on the Braves IF situation? If I’m Bruce Bochy and Cox starts Glaus at third base, I bunt at him at least once an inning until the Braves prove they can stop it.
If the Braves lose, I’ll take delight in their fans having spirits crushed, but during the game, I will root for both teams to fly back to San Francisco and the Giants to use Lincecum in a Game 5 and Bobby Cox to have to make some decisions about his rotation.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
While we were watching Cole Hamels be awesome last night, this pretty awesome episode of the Simpsons aired. I haven’t watched the show in years, but this had me cracking up:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/184048/the-simpsons-moneybart
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 11, 2010 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
For those of you time-challenged, the scene at Moe’s Bar toward the beginning of the episode is really the pinnacle, where the nerds debate Greinke.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. That was really great. Though deep deep down, a little part of me was offended by the characterization. But it’s all in good fun.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Homer had some pretty good lines. Other than that, I thought the writing was pretty weak. Give me the pee-wee hockey episode any day.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
OT, but annoying. From a Yahoo Article on the book chucker:
Many originally thought that the book-hurler was acting out of anger, much like the infamous Iraqi reporter who hurled a shoe at then-President George W. Bush. But high spirits often get out of hand in Philadelphia. This, after all, is a city whose residents are famous for booing Santa Claus. By those civic standards, a streaker and a text missile in the vicinity of the president’s head make for a pretty serene day.
Emphasis mine. Seriously?
At 18, I wanna know: Where’d this stupid Santa Claus story come from?
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 11, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The best part about that entire episode is the phrase, “text missile.”
Incidentally, I’m surprised they left out the part where we set fire to a nunnery full of puppies and kittens and baby seals; or when we beat up Pittsburgh and took it’s lunch money.
And cheese steaks are made from unicorn meat.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Also important to point out
As we all know, the Eagles’ fans booing and assault of Santa Claus was the defining event of the last 50 years. Certainly, it is far more important than all of the following events which also happened in 1968:
- The Tet Offensive
- The My Lai Massacre
- The assassinations of Robert F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King
- The Paris Student Riots
- Prague Spring
- Apollo 8 circling the Moon
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
As we should have
Well, at least the first three were pretty bad all around.
by phillyinportland on Oct 12, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
For those that remember the announcers talking about how Ruiz is one of the best fastball hitters in baseball and being incredulous about it, now there’s apparently some backup behind it. His double off Chapman’s 103.5 MPH fastball last night is the fastest pitch that’s been belted for a hit since pitch f/x started tracking these things in 2008. In fact, it’s the only time since then that a 103+ MPH pitch has ever been put into play.
Meaningless for the most part, but still kind of funny.
Yeah, pitch f/x data only goes back to ’08 so the sample size is three years.
It’s also apparent that the GAB radar gun is sweetened by a MPH or two, as it read 105 on Chooch’s double, 103 on the TBS broadcast, and 104 on MLB Gameday. Pitch f/x had it a 103.5, so it was blisteringly fast now matter how you slice it.
Chapman’s a freak the likes of which has rarely been seen before.
My wife and I were both saying how incredible Chapman is. He throws 105, but doesn’t look like a max effort pitcher. He also seems to have worked out some kinks in his delivery. Still, if he’s going to be a starter next year He needs to spend the next 5 months developing his secondary stuff. If you throw a steady diet of Fastballs twice through a Major League Lineup guys are going to get the timing down and crush ’em.
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