Getcha Popcorn! Phillies Should Be Rooting For the Giants
by dajafi on Oct 11, 2010 4:42 PM EDT
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With the Phillies' NLCS opponent yet to be decided, we take a look today at which of the two possibilities - the Giants or the Braves - would make a better sparring partner for the Phillies. In his post earlier, David Cohen asserts--against all decency, if not logic--that we should be hoping for Atlanta to advance. Here, I counter that any true Phillies fan should be pulling for the Giants.
Let me start with an admission: I don’t think the Giants are the easier NLCS matchup for the Phillies than the Braves would be—at least not the current injury-depleted Braves, missing stars Chipper Jones and Martin Prado and Billy Wagner, forced to turn to makeshift arrangements in the infield and bullpen that probably cost them a pivotal Game Three on Sunday evening. The Braves started to falter even before losing Prado and Wagner, as what looked two months ago like a glide path to the playoffs for Atlanta turned into a barefoot scramble over broken glass; they dropped crucial late-season series not only to the streaking Phillies but to going-nowhere teams like the Pirates and Nationals en route to a 13-16 record from September 2 through the end of the regular season. Were it not for Charlie Manuel’s merciful/questionable decision to pitch Danys Baez in the season finale, the Braves very probably wouldn’t even have made the postseason.
But they’re here now. I don’t want them to get any farther, and I humbly suggest any Phillies fan should feel the same way. Here’s why:
1) Fan simpatico. The Giants-Braves series pits arguably the most beautiful and interesting city in America against a glorified airport with self-imposed historical amnesia (seriously, go to Atlanta and try to track the story of the civil rights movement in the city, let alone what Sherman did there, which you can kind of understand their not wanting to highlight), populated by (to judge from the despicable "tomahawk chop") dimwitted, baseball-ignorant racists. I have no problem wanting to see the Giants fans taste a series win before we end their year; if they did somehow beat the Phils, I’d have no problem rooting for them as the representatives of the National League. The only team I’d ever root for the Braves against is the Dallas Cowboys, and that matchup is impossible by the laws of this universe.
2) Personnel and personalities. The Giants are a likable team of phenoms, castoffs and weirdos: young gun pitchers Tim Lincecum and Jonathan Sanchez, college buddies Pat Burrell and Aubrey Huff, Brian Wilson and his Bruntlett-as-hipster beard. Their manager, Bruce Bochy, might well be asked to play himself if and when Hollywood gets around to remaking "Major League." And then there’s the Braves. Atlanta’s most hateable players, Jones and Wagner, are on the shelf for the rest of the playoffs. But Bobby Cox is still there, at least for another game or two, and he’s as easy to loathe for his ump-baiting, ballpark-whining and wife-smacking as ever. Ditto team president John Schuerholz, for whom it might be a mercy to spare him another trip to Citizens Bank Park and its evidently accordion-like dimensions. Other than those guys, the Braves don’t have much personality to speak of: I’m not sure their young (and very talented) relievers, the Craig Kimbrels and Mike Dunns and Jonny Venterses of the world, were given personalities when Schuerholz genetically engineered them in government-subsidized labs these last few years.
3) Consider the Timmeh: While we might rightly regard Cox and Jones and Schuerholz and Wagner as gaping assholes, if the Braves get past the Giants and face the Phils in the NLCS, you can pretty much count on Joe Buck and, especially, Tim McCarver slurping them dry hour after hour, game after game. I don’t think it’s so much that they love the Braves, or hate the Phillies, as that they push the easiest, most hackneyed storyline they can come up with production meetings and casual conversations. For this one, it will be one last shot at glories that mostly went unclaimed during those fourteen straight Octobers when the Braves were winning divisions, an underdog (because of the injuries, which is legitimate enough) having its day against the big bad Phillies, maybe even the dawning of a new Braves dynasty led by Jason Heyward and Tommy Hanson and the aforementioned cloned relievers. It makes me want to projectile-vomit just thinking about it.
4) The Killers: As noted at the top, I think the Phils probably have an easier matchup against Atlanta than they would San Fran. But there are a few players on the Braves who do seem to have the Phillies’ number. Matt Diaz is a career .301/.350/.456 hitter; in 161 plate appearances against the Phils, he’s .338/.366/.591 with 8 of his total 43 home runs. Derrek Lee has pretty good career numbers versus the Phils, but this year he was out of his mind in 12 games against them: .348./.392/.630, with three homers and 13 RBI (five more than he recorded facing any other opponent). On the pitching side, Jair Jurrjens has held the Phils to a .190 batting average against in 59.2 innings against them; Derek Lowe has a career 3.21 ERA against the Phils, much better than his 3.85 overall mark; Tommy Hanson put up a sparkling 1.21 ERA in four 2010 starts against the Phils. That leaves Tim Hudson, the Braves’ ace, as the Atlanta pitcher who hasn’t shown himself to be even better facing the Phillies than against other opponents. (Hudson went 2-1, 3.79 in three starts against the Phils this season; his lifetime ERA facing them is also 3.79).
5) Pitching Matchups for the Ages: We’re Phillies fans, and we want our team to win. But we’re also baseball fans, and my contention is that no baseball fan worth his or her salt can deny that Roy Halladay, Roy Oswalt and Cole Hamels against Lincecum, Matt Cain and Sanchez is just a thrilling prospect. I say this without disrespect to the Braves’ starters, who are pretty good themselves—given Atlanta’s injuries, they’re the team’s biggest remaining strength--but Hudson and Lowe have neither the "it factor" nor the attainments, in terms of no-hitters and Cy Youngs and playoff MVPs, of the Big Three on each side.
The talents of the Giants’ Big Three (and their fourth, rookie Madison Bumgarner) likely mean that the games will be close and hard-fought—with the importance of every play, every pitch, magnified, the tension ratcheting up each inning. Call me old-fashioned, but that seems like how playoff baseball should be. Go Giants!
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Classless.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 11, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Why?
Seems pretty classy to me, especially the part about the Giants being likeable enough to root for, if they take down the Phillies.
According to the braintrust at Talking Chop, whenever we say anything bad at all about the Braves, especially Bobby Cox, it’s a mark of how we lack class.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
They found a braintrust??
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems like the arguments basically boil down to “match-ups and spite” (braves) and simply “spite” (giants). I’m torn.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Oct 11, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions
It’s kind of true. David and I both want to see the Braves humiliated, he’d just rather see our guys do it themselves, while I don’t even want them sniffing the pennant.
Tbh, though, my reason #3 is the big one—Buck and McCarver are painful enough without letting them grab onto Cox (hee hee)—along with the fact that if we were to lose, I could live with losing to the Giants where falling to the Braves would force friends and family to hide the sharp objects.
You’re totally right dajafi. I hadn’t thought about this. The only thing worse than Bobby Cox is other people fawning over him.
by David S. Cohen on Oct 11, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The brain says root Braves, but everything else tells me to root Giants. If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best. Playing the Giants and winning gives the Phils a better shot at beating the AL winner as they will be more battle tested should they get to the WS.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
As long as we win the pennant, I don’t care who the Phils have to beat. In ’08, it was awfully convenient that we had to go through the Dodgers instead of the Cubs. That said, I think that playing the Giants would make for a much more entertaining series.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
In fairness, any team seeking a third straight pennant is pretty battle-tested.
by dajafi on Oct 11, 2010 5:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How do you see beating the Giants as opposed to beating the Braves as helping the Phillies? If they win, they are the same team regardless of who they have beaten to get there, and they are either good enough to win or they are not… if they need a harder battle at this point, then there is a problem.
Giants will be tougher for the Phils.
Braves might just mean a big rest. 4-5 game series.
Individuals don't win Championships, Teams do.
Chase for 28
Good point! I should have included this in my piece.
by David S. Cohen on Oct 11, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I pull for the Giants for two reasons:
1) Pat Burrell is on the team.
2) Billy Wagner is not on the team, and while he is out for this round and next, seeing him pitch in the WS makes me want to puke.
If the Phillies were out of it, it would be easy for me to pull for the Giants, for exactly your reasons. But, in some ways, wouldn’t you rather not have to boo Burrell next week- while he is no longer a Phillie, he is still loved, and there is a part of me that wants him to do well- but if he is the enemy, then I can’t want that for him.
This has also tainted how I am watching the ALDS— booing the Yankees is easy for me— heck, it is practically a reflex, as I hate them on so many levels and for so many reasons. But when I look at the Rays and the Rangers, it gets harder. If the Phillies make it to the World Series, I don’t want them to face Cliff Lee. I do not want to have to boo him- and I really do not want the Philly media reaction if we lose the games that he pitches. But if the Phillies do not get there, I would love to see him get a ring.
I don’t have to boo burrell for any reason, unless maybe if he flips off the crowd, or charges the pitcher after getting plunked with a 63 mph curve, and I don’t think he’ll do either of those.
If Burrell gongs one that wins a game, I’ll be disappointed for the Phils, but tip my cap to him, because after all, that’s what he’s paid to do.
…populated by (to judge from the despicable “tomahawk chop”) dimwitted, baseball-ignorant racists…
And on this Columbus Day, of all days, let us take a moment to reflect on how patently offensive the use of stereotypical Native American imagery by teams like the Braves (but certainly not only the Braves) really is.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Thank you. There was also the time a few weeks ago when I railed on about the Indians logo.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
As an Irishman, I am unequivocally not offended by Notre Dame and the whole Fightin’ Irish thing. Even though it makes no sense.
Is it really offensive when Atlanta does it? Are you really going to find a contingent of native Americans who are offended by the Braves? It seems to me that the Braves, Indians, Warriors, Sioux, Blackhawks, Redskins, Chiefs, and the like, are more about paying respect, if indirectly than they are about mocking or belittling.
Don’t get me wrong—I’m no friend of Atlanta, and I’m honestly not being a smartass here.
I am offended, however, by the Tomahawk Chop. Deeply. One of my reasons for rooting for the Giants is their radio tag line for this series, “Stop the Chop.”
The Chop is the main thing that’s offensive. I don’t know if the name “Braves” is necessarily offensive. I’d have to give more thought to that one. “Redskins” is offensive though – it even says so in the dictionary. Ironically, the Redskins don’t really use any offensive imagery, as far as I know, but the name is ridiculous.
I get your point, but I’d say that this:
is about as respectful as this:
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
it doesnt mean one should get THAT worked up over it either
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
Deep inside Blankland...
…named (by myself, natch) for the resident doormat – the DiamondBLANKS
(without whose amazing string of sweeps we would not have been able to back into the postseason)
My son and I drove from Phoenix to San Francisco at the end of July last year and caught a couple of games at AT & T. There was a ceremony for Willie McCovey which included a group of performing African/American dancers, who danced to a rendition of what’s known as “The Say Hey Song”.
Say Hey!
(Say who?)
Say Willie
Say Hey
(Say who?)
Swingin’ at the plate
Say Hey!
(Say who?)
Say Willie
That Giant boy is great!
Only they’d changed boy to man…because he was 59 years older than when that song originated? Or the song was 59 years older than the 20 year old who debuted for the Giants in ’51?
Or because someone determined that “boy” was derogatory?
Metro Phoenix has a small topographic promontory which for generations was named Squaw Peak.
Then a few vocal activists declared the term “squaw” to be derogatory to the Native American female and the name was officially changed to Piestewa Peak after Lori Piestewa, a Native American killed in a Mideast conflict. (I ain’t sayin’ war. I want to say invasion.)
As a commercial pipe tradesman I’ve come into contact with many local Native Americans…who chuckle at the folly of it all. They’ve suffered worse slights at the hands of others.
Perhaps we make a bigger deal out of these perceived slights than the supposedly offended.
But, of course, better safe than sorry.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 11, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Driving 44mph in a 40mph zone is unacceptable.
Minstrel shows and lynchings and Jim Crow laws are unacceptable, but on a wholly different level.
Which level is the Cleveland Indians’ mascot on? Somewhere in between, I imagine, but close to the bottom.
I mean, obviously there have been far worse things than the Indians’ mascot, particularly in the history of the civil rights movement. But I think that we can both agree that it’s not cool to have a mascot that looks like that. It’s the 21st century, after all. I would hope that the Indians don’t want to have an image of racial stereotyping as the symbol of their team.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Reducing a person or a people to a cartoon can, in some ways be worse, because it involves caricature which “exaggerates or distorts the essence of a person or thing to create an easily identifiable visual likeness” Caricature has been used for all types of propaganda and social commentary throughout history. A great example is the politcal cartoon. Caricatures are also used as gifts or souvenirs. When a caricature is made of a people, culture or race, their anthropological features are generalized and exaggerated to embody the perceived essence or character of that group. The combination of generality and exaggeration makes the caricature easy to recognize and associate it with the group it represents much like a brand or logo. If done in a derogatory fashion it is a form of dehumanization. Futhermore reducing a race to a comical caricature and using it as a team logo is to reduce them to a trinket or a souvenir. This is objectification and is a method used to further dehumanize a person or a group. Caricature however can also be used to create a symbol that a group or race may culturally identify with in a positive way. A buck toothed, beaver cheecked, grinning Native American Indian however, doesn’t provide a positive image of a culture to associate oneself with. It therefore only serves to denegrate and divide.
Scientists working with facial recognition "found that individual face-recognizing neurons in the inferotemporal cortex respond more strongly to caricatured faces than to the veridical representations of the same face, which “suggest that the visual brain may code faces relative to a prototypical face” Two other scientists, Ramachandran and Hirstein “suggested that caricature is related to peak shift. In the peak shift effect, animals sometimes respond more strongly to exaggerated versions of the training stimuli. For example, if a rat is trained to respond to a rectangle of a particular aspect ratio, and to avoid a square, when later presented with several rectangles it will prefer the one with the most elongated aspect ratio (this being the one that is most different from the square) rather than the original rectangle used in training. Ramachandran and Hirstein speculated that cells in a monkey brain that respond to particular faces would respond more strongly to caricatured versions of the face. This effect has been confirmed in FMRI experiments by Tsao” So perhaps caricature’s powerful effect on facial recogniton tells us that these dreadful images may be influencing how we perceive race more than we thought.
Also think of this issue in more simple hypothetical way – if Indians or Braves gear is not offensive then visit a rez wearing it..
The Chop actually started at Florida State as a combination of a first down indicator and an homage to their mascot. As far as I can tell, Atlanta adopted it when they got Deion Sanders, who had been an FSU football player.
That said, the Seminoles are an organization that actually works with the Seminole Tribe of Florida to be conscientious. The Chief Osceola actor is selected for his horsemanship, and his clothing and equipment are provided by the Seminole Tribe.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Including at a certain downtown Miami stadium over the weekend, but were not going to talk about that… : (
by philiafan14364 on Oct 11, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, let’s not talk about that.
The only thing that kept me from drinking myself into a coma after that game was pure unadulterated joy over Nick Satan’s Alabama getting shelled by the Gamecocks.
A lot of people from the tri state area come down here. After Florida, the 2 states that send the most kids to UM is NY and NJ.
by philiafan14364 on Oct 13, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess it should also be pointed out that in the case of Notre Dame, a lot of the people perpetuating the name and imagery are Irish themselves (or at least white people) and so it’s more of an in-joke than an insult. Same thing, I think, with the Minnesota Vikings, many of whose fans are of Scandinavian descent. It’s different though when you do it to the “other”.
Right.
But the other difference is that none of the native American names I can think of depict them in a negative light. Whereas the Irish are the Fightin’ (a modifier we should all support).
I’m still honestly curious: are any native tribes or groups genuinely offended by, say, the Indians? I don’t see it—not saying it doesn’t happen, but usually when you name something after something else, it’s an honor, not an insult.
It isn’t the names so much as the mascots and imagery and stuff like that. The only name that I think is offensive on its face, standing alone, is “Redskins”.
The answer appears to be “some are, most aren’t.”
Interestingly that is even true of “Redskins,” which is sort of incredible to me considering, you know, everything about that word.
by Spoilt Victorian Child on Oct 11, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m an ND alum. I loathe the leprechaun and try to avoid the iconic leprechaunalia whenever I can. There is one caveat: the actual kid who plays the leprechaun in real life is one of only a handful of mascots, and probably the most recognizable, who does not hide behind an American sports kabuki mask. It takes some stones, as the kid takes a heap of abuse.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent FM/jemagee argument there as well. I miss jem.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
no, that’s jonk.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 11, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
(but certainly not only the Braves)
I absolutely do. Their mascot is one of the most hideously offensive things still in existence in the sporting world (next to Jeff Francoeur), and if have seen any of my past comments on the matter, you would know that I spend as much time calling that out as I do the tomahawk chop. It’d really behoove you to read the comments you are responding to carefully and perhaps run a simple search of the blog before accusing someone of being inconsistent.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
In case you were unsure, we’re not possibly playing Cleveland next round.
by David S. Cohen on Oct 11, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh! Oh! I know!
1) we see the Braves six times a year, the Tribe once every three years if that
2) Cleveland has no fan activity remotely comparable to The Chop for straight-up vileness
by dajafi on Oct 11, 2010 5:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I despise the Braves more than just about any other team and the Giants are undoubtedly my favorite team behind the Phillies. I think the Braves would be easier to beat but a Giants series would be a lot more fun to watch.
Hell, I sort of root for Tim Lincecum even when he faces us. I love to watch the guy deal. He’s been nothing less than incredible the less two times we’ve played him, but we won both games due to that Giants blown save and a fantastic outing by Pedro. That Pedro-Timmy duel might’ve been my favorite game of 2009.
Seeing the TCers rag on Lincecum for being a “pothead” and “looking like a girl” has really driven home just how evil they are.
by Spoilt Victorian Child on Oct 11, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ignorance and evil often cohabit but should not be conflated. The racist logo is evil. Insulting Lincecum because he has long hair and no panniculus, unlike most of them, is just stupidity.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I despise TBS more than I despise the Braves. “The Yankees are best equipped to face the Phillies because they never faced offense like that before”. We just disposed of one of if not the best offensive team in the N.L! Plus, the Yankees have never faced a pitching staff quite like ours :).
I’m more afraid of the Texas Rangers, led by Cliff Lee and a power-house offense and yet I think that’s how this thing is gonna end up, full circle: Lee VS Phillies and a bunch of What-if articles.
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 11, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
TBS - This Broadcast Stinks.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 11, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
But What If I Hate Both Teams?
Seriously, what?
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by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 11, 2010 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
Pray for a meteor, I suppose.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That done been did already.
Wiped out all of southern California in the fall of 2002.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 11, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand, I’d think less of the Giants if they lose this game tonight: Why? They were given this game on a silver platter, if they don’t execute that’s not what winning teams do. The reds made errors and we executed. The Giants need to execute here and capitalize. Similarly, I want to face the Braves for that same reason. Their inability to execute has been noted since Late July, a sweep wouldn’t be out of the question.
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 11, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Glaus error-counting thread!
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Why I am rooting for the Braves:
1. If the Braves win, that means they went to a five game series, which is beneficial to the Phills
2. It’s a better match up for the Phillies.
3. Since the Braves play in the east, it will be at a better time
4. The prospect of quieting the Braves fans
Hmmm, where have I read some of those before….
by David S. Cohen on Oct 11, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Dajafi-- this is arguably the stupidest thing I have ever read anywhere
The SOLE criteria ANY Phillies fan should be using is which team is it easier for the Phillies to beat. and in doing so we get back to the WS.
anything else is Bullshit
You want the Giants to win because they are More likeable ? THAT’s the reason!?
You state:
I don’t think the Giants are the easier NLCS matchup for the Phillies than the Braves would be.
and this
I think the Phils probably have an easier matchup against Atlanta than they would San Fran.
so you WANT the Giants to win… a team which by your own words… you concede are a much tougher match up for the Phillies????
sorry but you are making no sense
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
Why is he making no sense? It’s an opinion, and opinions can’t be wrong. He would rather see the Giants win for the reasons he states. I, for one, agree with him; that doesn’t make him right. You, for one, disagree with him; that doesn’t make him wrong. Since when did Phillies fans have any criteria, and why are you the one to decide what those criteria are? Finally, have you never heard the phrase “If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best?” Look it up.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
um I did NOT in anywhere say he was wrong. I said the reasomning doesnt make any sesne . Dajafi never says that the Phillies need to beat the Giants to prove something . (a point by the way which I agree with) . He states that the phillies would have an easier time in the NLCS vs the Braves and harder time vs the Giants. … so then lets root for the Giants? ?
I dont get that.
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
correct. I want the phillies to get to the world series. So does Dajafi .
we both agree the Braves are easier for the Phillies to beat and the Giants will be harder for the Phillies to beat .
so if the goal is to win the NLCS and get to the WS…. then why root for Giants ?
I think this is reasonable question
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
You said it was the “stupidest thing I have ever read anywhere” thereby asserting that what he writes is wrong. Or are you telling me you think he is right, as well as stupid and nonsensical? That doesn’t make any sense.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps everything he has read previously has been really smart.
by Spoilt Victorian Child on Oct 11, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
How EXACTLY is saying his rteasomning is stupid / makes no sense mean that I think his “opinion is wrong”….?
this should be a good one
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
If you had just said that his reasoning was stupid, I wouldn’t have said that you think he is wrong. But the fact that you said that the whole article/write-up was the "stupidest thing I have ever read anywhere" doesn’t really indicate that you thought only his reasoning was stupid. Or do you often treat the people you agree with with incredulity and tell them that they are stupid and nonsensical?
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hello.
How are you?
Have you been alright, through all those lonely lonely lonely lonely lonely nights
Lil’ ELO for ya there.
Honestly, is there a poison to pick?
Yes, go with us. Us and our smoke – and – mirrors pitching.
Except Santiago Casilla, maybe two pitchFX inches and five innings removed from Ubaldoville.
But then again – who really wants to throw 100 mph all game, all year?
Stephen Strasburg does.
OK, did.
Congratulations on leaving Cincinnati – and, by association, the NL Central – Redfaced.
Postseason business as usual, I see.
BTW…any truth to the rumor that these two fellows are related?
It’s either real or it’s a dream
There’s nothing that is in between…
Twilight, I only meant to stay awhile
Twilight, I gave you time to steal my mind
Away from me.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 11, 2010 8:08 PM EDT reply actions
The Phillies are my favorite team,
I love to watch them play.
But this long wait will seem
like forever and a day.
Young King Cole was a pitching young soul
And a pitching young soul was he
Chooch called for the change and he called for the cheese
And they got Rolen strikeouts three
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by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent.
If I could make one suggestion, re-write your last line thusly:
And they got Rolen swinging on high strike three.
It flows better.
I wonder if he’s in now because of the run
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
erk – meant to reply to post above
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
TC claims Lowe was squeezed. Gameday begs to differ.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
Factual information says one thing. TC begs to differ.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I had forgotten about their alliance with the umpires.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The Umpires Strike Back
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yuenl Escobar would’ve had that.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 11, 2010 9:32 PM EDT reply actions
uhhh what?
i could see the points of this article making sense IF the phillies were not the playoffs.
why the H would anyone not want to face the weaker team next round? i couldn’t care less how great the pitching matchups will be if we pull the giants. i want the easiest path back to a parade as possible.
don’t get me wrong, i’m with ya on the braves hatred (maybe not the ‘ignorant fan base / racists’ comments…) but i’d much rather face them than the giants. maybe i’m the crazy one…
Just out of curiosity, do you wish the Phillies had beaten the Red Sox in ’08 instead of the Rays?
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
the rays weren’t as good the bosox (at least the media perception… i didn’t watch all of the rays/sox games that year)
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 11, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What I was asking was that given 100% chance of winning, would you rather they had beaten the Rays or the Red Sox?
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i see where you're goin with this
and it’s a moot point… with 100% chance of winning, my argument of “i’d rather face the weaker team” disappears…
but to answer your question, any win that gives philly a parade is good enough for me…
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 11, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t trying to make your point moot; you do have a good point. I was trying to illustrate that beating the better team can sometimes provide a greater satisfaction as per “The risk is greater than the reward.” That is my justification for wanting to face the Giants, as well as the fact that I actually like the Giants and could root for them in the Series.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
lol it's been a long day...
i def see the other side of the coin we’re flipping here… i still think that i’d pick favorites (non-phillies) AFTER the team i want to win (the phillies) are out of the playoffs… while they’re still in, i’m not rooting for any other team.
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 11, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
By which I meant “The greater the risk, the greater the reward.” But I do understand your point. I do tend to agree as well – any win that gives us a parade is good enough for me. That being said, I would like to face (and beat) the best teams, which may be a somewhat incompatible wish, since facing the best team decreases your chances of winning, but oh well. I want to have my cake and eat it too.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
well grab a fork
that’s why they play best-of-series in the postseason… you’re not one-and-done. so in ‘08, we played the best team from the AL. maybe not the best throughout the season but they made it right?
granted, if the braves make the WS (shuttering at the thought) it’ll be tough for me to say they were the best NL team from ‘10. but what team comes to your mind when you think about ’07… most people will say ’the rockies’ because of their torrid sept/oct that season. they weren’t the best team in baseball but they got hot at the right time and ran into another brick wall.
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 11, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
True. What I like about the Rays being good again this year is that it proves that ‘08 was no fluke. And they really were the best in the AL that year, other than the Angels, who were only three games better – most likely from the AL West heavy schedule. The Rays repeatedly proved they were better than the Red Sox, who repeatedly proved they were better than the Angels. It just bothered me because people viewed them as a fluke, or did until now. That is why I want to beat the best team. And I also don’t want the Braves winning a series; I was already pissed they won a game.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true. The wrinkle here is that beating the more disgusting team can also provide greater satisfaction. In ’08, the Red Sox outranked the Rays in both perceived quality and disgustingness. But this year, these two considerations are at cross purposes.
stupid universe
making us have to choose between quality and disgustingness… what if the giants traded for wagner overnight… can we hate the giants too?
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 11, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
that's my caveat...
he’ll be ON the team, but unable to PLAY for them… double-win
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 11, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Truth. I guess I can revel in the Giants being the Braves’ demise, since I actually like them and used to be an active fan.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year at this time, yeah. I thought at the time that the Rays were not the better team and 2009 only exasperated that when the Rays did not make the playoffs and the Bosox did. For that reason, I was hoping the Yankees would win the ALCS and face the Phillies in the World Series because that would be beating the best. Now after seeing us lose to the Yankees and how good the Rays were this year with mostly the same players, I am glad we beat who we beat. The Rays were no fluke in 2008. That was a darn good baseball team the Phillies beat.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
bang bang plays
generally go to the runner… until the umps can see in frame by frame HD… i think that’ll have to suffice haha
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 11, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
no he wasnt … the infielder CLEARLY went up 12-18" to get the ball/ throw
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
Sucks for Cox his last game will be the one where he left Lowe in to walk PTB
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 11, 2010 9:40 PM EDT reply actions
I’ve been happy as hell all day, my buddy from college who has the sunday tix plan in 144 just invited me to game 2 sunday night, eagles at 1, phils at 8, ohhh boy
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 11, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
how many active major leaguers out there are slower than pat burrell?
I would guess David Ortiz. CC Sabathia. Any others?
pudge vs PTB
it’s like the turtle vs, another turtle. i’d pay to see that.
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 11, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Glaus, and Vlady Guerrero, since he doesn’t have knees anymore.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Posada, Thome, Dunn (Adam)
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems as though many Braves fans are complaining about the calls. I don’t know if they are right since I’m not watching the game.Do they have a point?
Vuvuzelas are to South African soccer fans as umpire complaints are to followers of Los Bravos. Distracting. Whiny. Loud. Omnipresent.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Burrell was out but it was close enough that you can’t really blame the ump. I haven’t noticed any other bad calls.
by Spoilt Victorian Child on Oct 11, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Atlanta is the worst place in the world.
If you took Medellin and made it more of a narco-terrorist run dump and added the filth and open sewage of Calcutta, you would have a vague approximation of the disgusting squalor of Atlanta. General Sherman had the right idea.
"Andy Reid is a huge fraud"--EJ from 97.5
I lived in Savannah for 5 years. It is were the tubes are that everyone refers to when they day " down the tubes". Visiting is nice I still do living there different story or it was. I just don’t like georgia.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Oct 11, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder when the cast of the Jersey Shore is taking the show down there?
Or “Real World: Medellin.” That may be a bit too real.
"Andy Reid is a huge fraud"--EJ from 97.5
Best TC post of the night. Insert punchline. I did. No more posting at TC, I guess. C’est la vie.
It was the irresistible impulse to type “He looks nothing like Bobby Cox.”
And then it was lights out.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions
They were not amused. Yes, it was removed.
Honest to god, they are so strange — it’s “fuck this and fuck that and the umpire is an asshole who is purposefully cheating us and he’s a DUI wifebeater” but remind them that Cox actually DID beat his wife, and BAM, off you go to the re-education camp.
Whatever.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
They must have removed it.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Oct 11, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Atlanta has a way of whitewashing history.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
BLAM SMACK!
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 11, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t figure out how to do the little superscript TM in here. Damn.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Put it in parentheses next to the word —™.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 11, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, you were cleansed. It’s Orwellian over there.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of “Giants are soooo lucky” posted about 50 times…. and barely any comments on their awful defense
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
oh, RTP.
I can’t blame you. That’s some irresistable troll bait.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand and I respect your decision.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Oct 11, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh man. That’s just too good.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 11, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel so dirty, but it needed to be said.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean if RTP were a Braves fan and said it about Charlie? Then it just wouldn’t have made any sense.
If Brett Myers was still here…
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 11, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant if someone posted a picture of Emmel, and said he was a wifebeater etc., and RTP said it doesen’t look anything like Bobby, he would have gotten a couple of rec’s.
It was the proverbial high fastball. You had to swing.
But c’mon. Who posts umpire pix??
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, they set themselves up for that one. Nice work.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course
Nobody here trolls TC. NEVAR!!!!!!!!!!
If I have to explain my username to you, you're obviously a Philly fan.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
And you’ll notice that you’re not getting banned.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup.
I didn’t come in here calling people names either.
Anyway, have gun with the Giants.
We’ll be back next year.
If I have to explain my username to you, you're obviously a Philly fan.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
I didn’t call anyone names, either.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
God, that chant is so annoying. Do they really need the drums?
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
what makes it sooooooo fucking annoying is that the chants starts for NO reason…. having a runner at 1st ….. behind by 1 run …is NOT a Big deal . At least wait util the Runner gets into scoring position
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
Edgar Renteria, you really need to retire after this year.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
Exhibit A for: Counting Stats – cons
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
wtg Gonzalez for not running out of the box though.
in an ELIMINATION GAME.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Gonzalez doesn’t have blond highlights, so he’s got that going for him.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Truth. By to me it doesn’t hurt them very much either. The pros don’t outweigh the cons.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
YAY ATTRITION
just root for the game that never ends. That’s what I’m doing.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Attrition. The strategy the won The War of Northern Aggression. Just ask any Braves fan.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Attrition. Why there are no independent Indian States left.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 11, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Attrition – a game everyone can play…
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Russia.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 11, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem with the Braves appears to be that they aren’t a very good baseball team.
by taco pal on Oct 11, 2010 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
They’re not consistent. Additionally, they lack gamers.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess all that Locker Room Swagger™ just can’t plate those runs.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 11, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
its over for the Braves….. seems like every game the Braves blow late inning leads… have no defense
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
So I guess I was hoping for the Braves to win this one. But it’s kind of cool knowing this may be Bobby Cox’s last inning ever.
me too…. 4 days off means the SF starting pitching staff can get full rest
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
it makes my nethers tingle a bit, I do admit it.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The Urban Dictionary offers this example of nether in a sentence:
1.During cheerleading practice, while Jennifer was performing a cartwheel and the crotch of her outfit accidently slipped aside revealing her “nether” regions, little did she realize that Mick, who was jogging on the track nearby, caught sight of her “wardrobe malfunction” and suddenly had the irresistable urge to “chuck it in her.”
Buster Posey is Led Zeppelinesque
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it wouldn’t be a postseason without the Bobby Cox Face, i.e. his patented look of disbelief upon getting eliminated from the playoffs for the nth straight year. Oh how I’ve missed you lo these many years.
The rain of grief is always amusing.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 11, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Beard sighting
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
Yup. Schhafhfakdjuerholz, Ross and t leadoff guy are the OF
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Pitcher probably would have scored there in the 7th.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 11, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s like the Danny Ozark Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test for managers.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Let it go…
Therapy will help. If not, then try lots of pills.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m listening to the San Francisco radio feed. Half of their commercials are about how awesome specific Giants are. It’s a damn sight better than AZTEC SOLAR POWER DOT COM.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
Besides, they totally stole their technology from the Olmecs.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
ALL INNING
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 11, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
why can’t they say, ‘lets go (insert your team name here)’ like the rest of fans…?
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 11, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
last decade of bobby cox's career - let's review, shall we
2001 Lost NLCS (4-1)
2002 Lost LDS (3-2)
2003 Lost LDS (3-2)
2004 Lost LDS (3-2)
2005 Lost LDS (3-1)
2006 No playoffs
2007 No playoffs
2008 No playoffs
2009 No playoffs
2010 Lost LDS (3-1) ??
His wife probably whooped him, too.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Obligatory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY3oRVzjSIg
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Phils should sign him offseason and invite him to compete with Greg Dobbs for the final $400,000 roster spot. First guy who boots the ball goes home, but the team gets him good and drunk that night just for old times’ sake.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Conrad is a good pinch hit bat off the bench, I certainty would want him. Of course, putting him in the room with shrink might help with those yips.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 11, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone needs to get you a harp, you’d be a bitchin’ re-enactment of Nero
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 11, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
De-lish. WANT.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 11, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Listening to the Atlanta radio feed. “Ankiel always gives you a punchers chance with all that power.”
WHAT
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 11, 2010 10:24 PM EDT reply actions
He’s Babe Ruthian.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 11, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, a pitcher converted to a position player whose actually successful is considerably rare. it’s the hope that Jiwan James can do so. Give Ankiel credit, he’s really managed to pull the rabbit out of the hat.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 11, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He actually does have pretty good power. .231 career ISO.
by Spoilt Victorian Child on Oct 11, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
To have a punchers chance, you need to put the bat on the ball though.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 11, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
We should have little wobbly coxes to track the outs
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
Does Wilson put shoe polish in in his beard?
by WanderingMoses on Oct 11, 2010 10:26 PM EDT reply actions
I mean, my beard is dark, but it matches the rest of my hair…his regular hair is much lighter than his beard.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 11, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
His beard is extraordinarily black, isn’t it? It’s almost mesmerizing.
2005 Chicago White Sox. 2006 Chicago Rush. 2008 Philadelphia Phillies. 2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks. CHAMPIONS.
Doctober: Roy Halladay's postseason no-hitter (2nd in history!) ~ 10-6-10
"We're going to try and knock the crap out of everybody." ~ Brian Urlacher
It’s so black. You can hardly see it. Light just falls into it.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
“hair club for men " or " a touch of grey"
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
Hair Club for Men, facial division.
Head is not his department.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No he cannot. He has 3 steals all year. Now that I have said that, I fully expect him to steal.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, as the Braves may pull this out?
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 11, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Same in Medford, where are you peoples
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 11, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Delaware county baby, where the bitches iz fa reals yo
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit KOP whatchu kno bout me
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 11, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I like the fact that Atlanta’s closer is hurt and SF’s closer is going to have a shaken confidence.
Game 5 would be so awesome. I want the Braves to lose, but I want the Giants to burn Timmy. I’m so conflicted.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
+1
This
Word
Yes
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
wow Brian wilson last few games he has NOT been pitching well …
does anyone know why did barenaked ladoies wrote a song about THIS guy?
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
Well, there it is. Thanks, Giants, but we are now enemies. Also, fuck you, Bobby Cox.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
Get the pitching matchups up! TP? Fuq? Daj?
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 11, 2010 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
Lincecum on Saturday. Bleh.
LOL BRAVES! Fuck you, Bobby Cox.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
The attendance (according to twitter) is 44532, which is 10 grand fewer than the last game. It wasn’t sold out. What a shame
Not classy at all.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember, the postseason is a crapshoot.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
watch tomorrow the sport columnists
talk about the lack of offense by the phillies but all of these games were low scoring and decided by one run…
yet the phillies scored 4 runs… 7 runs… and 2 runs
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
Too bad the Braves franchise can’t end along with Bobby Cox’s tenure.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
That chant is so annoying. I loved watching the couple behind home plate in the bottom of that inning. If anyone has the game on DVR, check out the woman to the right of home plate when Conrad hit his popup. She starts cheering like it’s a home run. It’s awesome.
by David S. Cohen on Oct 11, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
is NLCS going to be on FOX or this awful TBS station ?
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
Fox. With Joe Buck and Tim McCarver. You’ll miss TBS, soon enough.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
I know this isnt a commonly held opinion BUT IMO .McCarver is a LOT better than anyone on TBS
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
I know opinions can’t be right or wrong, but that opinion is wrong.
by taco pal on Oct 11, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
your ability to " reason" is well Tea party Like
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
It all depends on what you consider “reason” and you would do well to leave politics out. . I’m not going to respond on which tea party group because I feel sports threads should transcend politics. I hope you leave it out the next time.
If I had a nickel for everytime someone told me I should shutup, I'd probably have 5 or 6 bucks.
I don’t have cable-can’t watch TBS.
I can watch Fox. It’s a push.
by Phrozen on Oct 12, 2010 12:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
On the plus side of things, the pre-series question and answer exchange between Whole Camels and Grant should be the snarkiest exchange ever.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
tune in late at this same fine website.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
late=later this week. I’m sure Grant is enthusing right now and will need to sleep it off.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really understand why they ever moved there to begin with. Seems like Milwaukee’s proven to be a much better baseball town since then. Obviously the Braves made more money over the last few decades, but only because of the new economic structure of baseball which wasn’t foreseeable in the ’60s, not because of gate.
hey guys
just wanted to stop by and say congrats on an awesome floor mopping with the reds
and making brandon “27th out” phillips cry
good luck in the nlcs
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
One of the few times I root for the Braves to win just one effing game at home and they can’t do it. For everyone on this thread who wanted to play the Giants, if Lincecum outduels Halladay on Saturday the blood is on your hands.
I don’t know that most of us actually wanted to play the Giants so much as resigned ourselves to the fact that it was going to happen. Did you really think the Braves could win the series? I never did for a second.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Only with a healthy Prado, Wags and Larry could the Braves have had a chance in this series.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
“I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.”
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard that, too. Pretty pathetic considering they were in first place most of the season.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
I give him credit for calling it accurately.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 11, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. I was wondering why stubhub tix were about 40 – 50 at ATL. Even for standing room in Phi and Cin, they were 80+.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Were it not for Charlie Manuel’s merciful/questionable decision to pitch Danys Baez in the season finale
Sympathy F***.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting to ponder. It would have been a classy decision by Chahlie.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 11, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s unrelated to the game outcome, just FYI.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We had a first round bye, remember? It’s because Selig wants the Red Sox, Yankees, and Phillies to win. Seriously. Go look at the TC gamethread. It’s all fixed to help the Phillies.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Good luck. You'll need it. Rep the NL East.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 11, 2010 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
Apparently the Giants are flying back to San Francisco before flying to Philly for Game 1, thus giving them 2 cross country flights before a big game. Can’t say I agree with that, but whatever works for them.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
I mean I think it’s preferable to spending 7-8 nights in a hotel.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Well mister smart guy, that makes sense then. I forgot that there’s all this waiting…. after all it’s the Winter Classic
The waiting is really absurd. I know they have to make sure to account for the potential that all games go five, but they could at least move the start of the LCS up now that the LDS over (or will be tomorrow). I know it’s an impossible thing to do what with TV schedules and all, but still, it sucks.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 11, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on the hotel.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Bobby Cox magnanimous in defeat. Died with his boots on. I will tip my cap.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Regardless of one drunken act that Bobby did in his past, even if I were a Philly fan, it would be tough not to at least tip your cap.
There’s a reason that when Sports Illustrated surveyed MLB players about which team other than their own that they would most like to play for, the Braves came in first.
He’s a good guy, he really is, and one of the best to ever manage the game. He stood steadfastly by his players and never wavered.
Your tip of the cap is appreciated. I think baseball as a whole will miss him.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 11, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll do something in our organization, but I would be shocked if he returned to manage.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 11, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The dreaded “Dallas Green” role, no doubt.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it will be something like that.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 11, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Green
“Senior Adviser to the General Manager”
I think he has a secret decoder ring. I understand that the code is usually four letter words.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
Bobby isn’t shy about using them too.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 11, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee Elia was Green’s college roommate, and Green brought Elia to the Cubs when the Cubs hired Green from the Phillies. Here’s Elia.
HInt: NSFW.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
“85% of the f-ing world is working, the other 15 come out here!”
My favorite line.
2005 Chicago White Sox. 2006 Chicago Rush. 2008 Philadelphia Phillies. 2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks. CHAMPIONS.
Doctober: Roy Halladay's postseason no-hitter (2nd in history!) ~ 10-6-10
"We're going to try and knock the crap out of everybody." ~ Brian Urlacher
Nailed it
This column is completely correct. If you doubt it, try on this quote (from the press conference this evening):
“We have great fans. They packed this ballpark the last five games.”
-Bobby Cox
Sorry. Actual baseball fans should want the GIants, and we got ’em, and it is going to be great. Also, the city-to-city trash-talking will be much better with SF.
Not to mention the people from McCovey Chronicles are very funny. The interactions between the 2 fan bases will be fun.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
Silly Valley. They have coolerer computers, too.
We’re screwed.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re smarterer than us. I fear them and their snark. Our only hope is their self-loathing may create a gravitational singularity which would engulf them and make Lincecum hittable by warping the fabric of the universe and slowing the passage of time.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 11, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh shit. We’re gonna have to deal with Cody Ross again.
by ThinMountainAir on Oct 11, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions
I've got an Australian Shepherd named Cody.
Not Cody Ross, though.
"(Kelly's) got a veteran team that is the favorite to win the Pac-10. His choice of Thomas reflects only one belief: He’s our best QB today."-Ted Miller
by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Oct 11, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, this thread got big
Longest-ever sort of game thread about a non-Phillies game?
I like
this match-up, just based off a pure baseball fan standpoint.
In a totally unrelated story, I was catching up on some of my Allen Iverson news and I couldn’t help but LOL when his agent said
"Istanbul is beautiful from everything we’ve learned. It’s not that far from the U.S.
Should prolly check your travel destination sources bro…
Giants fan here
Thanks for the compliments for our team.
The best part of this series is that Alex Smith can’t throw a game-breaking pick to Werth in the outfield.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
And you wonder why people think Phillies fans are classless?
Just read part 1 “the most beautiful and interesting city in America against a glorified airport with self-imposed historical amnesia (seriously, go to Atlanta and try to track the story of the civil rights movement in the city, let alone what Sherman did there, which you can kind of understand their not wanting to highlight)” Seriously, Atlanta is the largest city in the south and you need to do some research in history before you start with the racist posts. Your boy, Sherman went through the south and burned it all down even when there was no resistance. All in all, the south is less racist than the north because the different races actually live and deal with each other on a regular basis. I’m tired of hearing this bullcrap about the racist south. My high school was half and half and I don’t hate people for the color of their skin but the (lack of) content in their character. Dajafi you have met this criteria.
If I had a nickel for everytime someone told me I should shutup, I'd probably have 5 or 6 bucks.
Awww, is hims feewings hurt?
I’m sorry you can’t deal with the fact that the city of Atlanta is a vast gaping sewer of suck. :)
I’m sorry. Atlanta is a post-racial Xanadu where happy people sing kumbayah and ride unicorns. Everyone eats fruit jello molds, humanely raised magic mushrooms, and walks around clothed only in the innocence before the Fall. Everyone genuflects in an appropriate and genteel manner before one another and the omnipresent naked, embracing statuary of Bobby Cox and Chipper Jones. The city is illuminated solely by light from the face of God, and rain only falls after sundown, unless it is Rainbow Thursday, in which case there is a brief shower scheduled during the day so that faeries and aforementioned unicorns can frolic in front of the naked, embracing, yet certainly heroic, Bobby and Chipper statuary while Cherokee Indians do the tomahawk chop because it’s just good, wholesome family fun because, well, Atlanta has Moved On™.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 12, 2010 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I dare you to diagram that last sentence, though.
Stream of consciousness ranting, free verse, something. I know I have an excuse here, somewhere. I didn’t even circle back to the shower causing the rainbow. I guess it was implied, and I was on a roll.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 12, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Snark of Consciousness more like it.
Man you’ve been en fuego these past few days, not to mention all the unicorn bombs you keep dropping like everywhere .
Thinking you might be the one who hired them to go with the Xanadu Float I hear will be in the Bobby Cox Failedwell parade. as a way to say thanks for the years. Cause 14 straight division titles, 3 trips the WS and 1 WS ring just isn’t enough for these unicorn fuckers.
Thank you for enlightening me
I did not know “South” was a race. We’re so racist against you. I never knew this until now.
by JamesFromPhilly on Oct 12, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions
You are an idiot.
I never said anything about “South” being a race. I also never said the north was racist against us. I was speaking generally on how the south is portrayed.
If I had a nickel for everytime someone told me I should shutup, I'd probably have 5 or 6 bucks.
Oh Really?
Atlanta is the largest city in the south…
Atlanta, meet Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Jacksonville, Austin, Fort Worth, Charlotte, Memphis, El Paso, Nashville, Louisville and Oklahoma City. They’re all bigger than you.
Oh, you meant metropolitan areas?
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