Some Phillies Links for You, October 12, 2010: Giant Fun with Tim the Enchanter, Exeunt Cox and Wagner
Phillies NLCS ticket prices soaring online
You don't want to know what I'll do...
Area auction company capitalizes on no-hitter memorabilia
MERCHANDISING!
After another agonizingly close win, S.F. to battle Philly for Series spot
Although I'm scared of Tim Lincecum, it was pretty nice to see the Braves eliminated from the postseason.
McCaffery: Years later, ex-Phillie Scotty Rolen there when needed
"Baseball Heaven" huh?
MLB Playoffs: Cody Ross sends San Francisco Giants into NLCS, Bobby Cox into retirement
Oh, except Cody Ross is so loathsome too! This is a tough one.
Wagner's illustrious career comes to end
Bye, Rat!
Paul Hagen: If they win it all, then you can call them the best Phillies team ever
Depends on how you measure it.
Phillies-Giants: 2010 National League Championship Series (best-of-seven series)
I'd worry more about the head-to-head numbers if it wasn't such a small sample. Phillies sucked at Dodger Stadium in 2008 regular season but then whooped it up there in NLCS.
Phillies' righthanders Blanton, Kendrick biding their postseason time
I hope they're drinking!
Will 'just enough' work against Phillies?
Anything can happen.
Giants fans pumped for next round
GAAAAARRRRRLIC FRIIIEEES!!!!!
Aces Price, Lee savor the pressure
But what about BIG GAME JAMES?!
Emotional Cox bids farewell to managing
I did feel just a dab of respect for Cox last night in his post-game presser, and I hate myself for it this morning.
Giants' Lincecum ready for showdown against Phillies' Halladay in NLCS
Need to get him high on Saturday afternoon. Volunteers?
Zoo With Roy: The Cole Hamels Fist Pump. Now in Meme Form
Just... go look. More posts on the site.
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Annnnnnd....
http://www.zoowithroy.com/2010/10/cole-hamels-fist-pump-photoshops-part-2.html
http://www.zoowithroy.com/2010/10/this-deserves-its-own-post-cole-hamels.html
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 12, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions
Cole doesn’t have crow’s feet yet. He’s still blooming.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 12, 2010 8:39 AM EDT reply actions
OT for SBNation
I’m really liking the “Birth Control You Don’t Have to Take Every Day” ads. Clickity, clickity, clickity!
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 12, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions
Tim the Enchanter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZJZK6rzjns
or perhaps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wkqGAsClO0
at 00:00:22
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 12, 2010 8:59 AM EDT reply actions
I think Burrell is in the front seat, passenger-side. Aubrey Huff is driving, and Cody Ross is in the back seat with Timmeh.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 12, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone notice just how damn CLASSY the Giants were in clapping for Bobby Cox in the midst of their celebration? Nobody in Philly would have done that.
/vomits on third grader
Didja see the new tagline this morning? Didja? Didja?
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 12, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
just did… very cool indeed. Hopefully, we’ll move onto the “Fall CLASSic”
by Boundforbeach on Oct 12, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I would be willing to bet that the Phillies might have done that.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
I think so too… I’m just being sarcastic. All the Braves fans and TCers are using this as an example of teams with class and those without as they profess their new found love for SF. Suck it Bobby Cox.
by Boundforbeach on Oct 12, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
So it’s not classy if you don’t cheer for Bobby Cox but it’s classy for Bobby Cox to chew out umpires a minimum of 158 times?
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
He is just being a passionate advocate for his team! After all, nice guys finish last.
by dannijd on Oct 12, 2010 5:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bobby Cox is from San Diego
True Fact
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 12, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I just can’t fathom this obsession that Atlanta fans seem to have with classiness being manifested by other teams’ fans liking their team’s manager. I would expect other teams’ fans to make fun of Charlie’s accent, Andy Reid’s weight, etc. In fact, if they didn’t, I’d question their loyalty to their team.
by David S. Cohen on Oct 12, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Then they would criticize the manner in which we did said kissing of the ring. Might as well just take the crap as we get it, because I don’t think we can win no matter what we do.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 12, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, this is certainly a game I want to lose.
by David S. Cohen on Oct 12, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Huh.
I don’t think we can win no matter what we do.
Have you never played the Braves?
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 12, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant in the worshipping of Atlanta. I mean no matter what we (as fans) do, it will never be enough to assuage the Atlanta fans. I guess I didn’t make that clear in the original post.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 12, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Misinterpretation on this end doesn't mean it was mispresented on yours.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 12, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
A team that can’t sell out an elimination game, no less.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 12, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if anyone mentions this elsewhere but I got a chuckle watching the Bobby Cox post-game interview last night. He was commenting on how great the fans in Atlanta were and he said, “We sold out, the last, what (pause) five games, I think.” I don’t know if that was a subconscious dig at the fans, but it broke me up.
by phillyinportland on Oct 12, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh. I did catch a bit of it, but missed that particular aspect. Thanks for bringing my attention to it.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 12, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The Church of Cox and Cult of the Chop exhbit several characteristics associated with religious fundamentalism such as 1) counter-modernism, 2) assertive, clamorous, violent behavior, 3) belief that they are ‘the Chosen’, 4) the belief in only one correct way of life, and 5) the following of an inerrant charasimatic leader to whom obedience is mandatory.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 12, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I really liked it… A totally class move by San Fran.
by dannijd on Oct 12, 2010 5:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Misfits-centric captions for the picture, courtesy of high school music taste:
“Cole Hamels’ career postseason ERA dips closer to ”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX3COyLWDig" target="new">One Thirty Eight."
“The Phillies hope to be playing until ”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMDZE6Sln0s" target="new">Halloween."
And last but not least (in best Jack McCaffery voice): “Cole Hamels has a whole new ”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RGuhgS9dDk" target="new">Attitude this year!"
MLBPA sent a cease and desist to ZWR to stop selling “It’s only gonna get funner” shirts. No likeness of Halladay on shirt. My guess is they plan to start selling their own with the slogan after they saw them all over the ballpark.
I hate “the man”.
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Really? MLB is the worst. Anything and everything to alienate their fan base.
You would think they would get it after the Eagles – 49ers game beat the Phillies – Reds playoff game by 200% in the ratings.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Nationally, this is true, but locally, apparently the Phillies beat the Eagles.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 12, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The philadelphia tv market had the highest rating of any market for the sunday night football game (tvbythenumbers.com)
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 12, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
San Fran was fifth on Sunday Night football actually – which shocked me -
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 12, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to hear that. I was curious how it would be in Philly. I don’t know how they figure this in, but wouldn’t it still be a factor that NBC is available to everyone with a TV while you need cable or a dish to get TBS.
by phillyinportland on Oct 12, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB and NFL are equally bad in their not freely distributing rights to anything. But, honestly, unless MLBPA decides to trademark the phrase “It’s only gonna get funner,” I don’t see how legally they can stop anyone else from using it. It’s just a string of words. This isn’t the first time they’ve been put in a sentence together. If there’s no picture of Roy on there or his name anywhere, I really don’t see the issue. Just flexing their muscle to be dicks. (Unless Roy is embarassed by said phrase and doesn’t want them produced—of course, it’s not hard to make your own t-shirts these days, just sayin’)
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According to doubleh’s post it was MLBPA (the player’s union), not MLB itself. Which is a little weird if true.
That’s according to what I inferred from reading ZWR. Pretty sure the MLBPA works in conjunction with MLB when selling anything that relates to the players. They also have more lawyers who work closer to the ground than MLB’s, so it would stand to reason they have time to find this stuff on local blogs.
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too late
They already did.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Oct 12, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
And “only” $18 (plus shipping & handling).
by phillyinportland on Oct 12, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Damnit
With a “PH”? Really, MLB? So tired of the PH in place of F thing.
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But that is how Roy said it. Didn’t you hear him carefully use the “ph” instead of the “f” when he spoke that immortal line?
by David S. Cohen on Oct 12, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
So tired of the PH in place of F thing.
So, when’s the contest to rename this heah place?
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 12, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I wouldn’t want to be from a town spelled Filadelfia. That’s ugly.
by phillyinportland on Oct 12, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Doh. I forgot. But it’s still ugly.
by phillyinportland on Oct 12, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
Also, I understand MLB generally wanting to protect its IP, but come on. This is a league that can’t get their shit together enough to give us Giants/Padres the last weekend of the season because a meaningless Yankees/Red Sox series is on… they really think that stepping on their fan base is the most pressing issue to deal with right now?
by PhillyFriar on Oct 12, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. It’s not enough that they had to steal from one of the funnier Phillies bloggers out there, but they had to completely destroy the humor already inherent in Roy’s statement. This is the finest example I can think of in which a joke is put through the corporate grist mill and just destroyed. Poor ZWR.
It’s an epidemic that’s almost as bad as the “ill” shirts.
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by alcatraz0109 on Oct 12, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Now there is something I wish they would cease and desist!
by dannijd on Oct 12, 2010 5:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So much for co-opting as a long-term strategery. MLB would be wiser to create “merch czar” positions for each team, a la how Zolecki blogs for the Phillies. I think with hipster merch creators like ZWR they’d stand to make a long-term killing. Plus it keeps the brand “cool” for us desirable demographic types who buy stuff.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 12, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
ZWR has been a boil on my butt for long enough
/MLB’d
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 12, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Cody Ross
Why did it have to be him? Why? I just hate him soooooooo much.
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Because Melky Cabrera came up a little short in the old measurement department.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 12, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW
So tired of seeing all the ratings re: Phillies vs. Eagles. The Eagles blog has been posting the numbers for the past few days and it just reeks of naked male insecurity. (i.e. My sport is bigger than yours!)
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The ratings fight is such a pain to read about. I don’t really care that the NFL is more popular than MLB — frankly, even if I had a horse in that race, it’s not as if higher ratings benefit me in any way. I could be wrong, but I doubt MLB is truly in danger of collapsing just because it’s making less money for its somewhat less corporate backers.
The ratings fight is such a pain to read about.
I was curios just to see how they did, so I looked but I didn’t realize anyone cared that much.
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 12, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh no, don’t get me wrong; from a curiosity perspective, I think it’s pretty compelling to read about how these ratings are compiled. The fight I mean is the one you usually see talked about on football blogs (PFT is a pretty strong offender here) by which football is shown the be superior to baseball because more people watch it. It’s just a point of view that misses the mark, I think.
This applies in so many areas
It’s like people look at ratings as a way of validating quality or superiority of the content. I see the same argument all the time in regards to a certain news network that the higher number of viewers automatically makes any statement from unsaid news network more reliable than from another “lame stream” media network.
Yeah, some use it as an excuse to bring out the tired “I hate baseball, it’s so boring,” “Where’s the loyalty” crap. It’s just an opportunity for them to bash another sport or team in the city.
Admittedly, I’ve seen it on both sides (Phillies and Eagles fans bashing the other).
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On one hand, the Phillies and Eagles really are competitors in the economics sense, much more so than either team is a competitor with its own rivals in its own sport. The Cowboys, Giants, etc. are, in reality, the Eagles’ business partners, so it’s understandable that the business-side people (as opposed to the personnel people) would understand this and view things accordingly.
But on the other hand, this kind of piss-fighting is a giant turnoff to the vast majority of their customers, so you’d think they’d be able to control that impulse.
So tired of seeing all the ratings re: Phillies vs. Eagles.
I hear you but it does matter.
Major League Baseball is stupid for trying to put its product up against the NFL. Or even college football for that matter.
It’s great that the Phillies beat the Eagles in Philly on Sunday night, as it should be IMO, but what is put on tv and the time slot it gets is based on National Marketing and not local. MLB should put their games on at times where it won’t have to compete with sports that are clearly a better draw nationally. I would think the Phillies beating the Eagles on Sunday is hardly a victory for MLB’s ratings department.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
While it may matter, it doesn’t mean all the jerks have to come out of the woodwork and use it as an excuse to bash one team in order to elevate the other. That’s the point I’m getting at here and what is tiring me out.
Also, have a bone to pick with overuse of the word “hater”. Just because you don’t like someone or something does not make you a “hater”. Let’s remove that word from the daily lexicon, shall we? /realizes her list is long for violations
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I agree…I don’t understand why it has to be one, or the other, why it can’t be both. The Phillies will always be my preference over the Eagles but if a Sunday comes around where they are both on at 1pm and the Phillies came is meaningless(relatively of course) then I will watch the Eagles game. Doesn’t mean I am picking sides, but obviously 1 Eagles game is more important than 1 Phillies game.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
They don’t really have a choice though. I don’t think it would be better for MLB to skip Sunday, and there are football games all day that day from noon to 10 pm.
Well yeah there is not a whole lot they can do since MLB is apparently stuck on the idea that they have to have one game per day when the LCS roles around. But I do think it’s interesting that the NLCS has two games occurring on a Sunday(if it goes 7 games) where as the ALCS has none.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
They can try to plan it so the cities 2 teams don’t start games at exactly the same time. They easily could have flip-flopped the Phillies and Giants games with no harm. And Given that San Fran is a decent West Coast market and the Braves are a good TV draw, they would had good grounds for making that game PT instead of Phillies v small market Reds.
I believe there was a problem for Cincinnati- Great American Ball Park is only a mile from Paul Brown stadium, home of the Bengals, who had a 1 PM game that day. I am pretty sure that the two stadiums share parking lot space, so traffic concerns in Cinci may have influenced things the other way, forcing Phillies-Reds into the night time slot.
Excellent point.
I hadn’t thought of that. They do share parking (using that term very loosely since there really is no parking for either stadium). I absolve Bud Selig on this, cause that would have been a full on disaster.
That's no excuse.
See 2008, World Series, Game Four; and (at) Philadelphia Eagles v. Atlanta Falcons.
But there is a big difference between a World Series game (where there is only one and you want it where the most people will watch- Prime Time, and an LDS series where there is two games and some ability to flex on timing.
by dannijd on Oct 12, 2010 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Plus the World Series was at night and the football game was at 1- was it changed by the NFL from 4 to 1 like the Giants game was last year?
by dannijd on Oct 12, 2010 5:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know what’s the bigger misfortune, that both have the middle name of ‘Leroy’ or that Roy Halladay is actually the third generation to bear that full name.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 12, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The Braves failed to sell that game out
Amazing. 44000ish were there, about 9000 less than Sunday night.
So once again, Bobby Cox was wrong. The fans did not, in fact, “fill the place for the last five games.”
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 12, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He simply chose classy over accurate.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 12, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s an unavoidable conclusion that they just don’t like baseball very much in Atlanta. There are many smaller cities out there that are more deserving of baseball teams.
The Braves will never move though, because their profitability is disproportionate to their popularity in their own metro area. This is because of the Turner legacy and their good fortune with geography. They semi-represent such a wide geographical area that they have a pretty large number of fans in absolute terms even though their fans per-capita level is pathetic.
I always thought it would be cool if New Orleans had a baseball team. But I would spare them the misfortune of taking on the Braves.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
They can have the Rays.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
In all seriousness, the Rays don’t draw that poorly. 22nd in the league, with one of the worst stadiums in baseball. Going from attendance, the top ones to move would be Cleveland, Oakland, Florida, Pittsburgh, and Toronto.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
22nd in the league
best overall record in the american league
that’s poor attendance
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 13, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
All seriousness though…New Orleans doesn’t seem to be a hot bed for sports either. The Hornets put up pretty bad attendance figures, even though they were fairly competitive for the last handful of years. And the Saints got virtually no one until post Katrina. I can’t imagine a baseball team would do all that well there.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Saints didn’t draw that badly before Katrina. They were at 513,178 in 2004, which is about 64,000 per game (~92% capacity). Still, it probably was never a good candidate for baseball. Too poor, too small, not growing. And then after Katrina it shrank tremendously.
You meant basketball?
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
And also, thanks for correcting my wrong assessment of Saints attendance. I honestly thought it was worse than that.
Also, Katrina was 6 years ago…that’s crazy.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Yeah, this is all true. Charlotte maybe? That’s one of the few cities I can think of that’s growing these days.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Pretty much all the Southern cities were growing like crazy as of the last census. Lots and lots of McMansions were built. We’ll see how well that survived the recession when the next census figures come out though.
Atlanta and Tampa both grew a ton, but it didn’t seem to help them. It’s a necessary condition but not a sufficient condition.
What about Indianapolis?
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Indy grew 14% from 2000 census to 2009 estimate.
The fastest-growing metro areas in the Top 50 during that timespan (by , not by absolute numbers) were: Raleigh 41.25, Las Vegas 38.31%, Austin 36.43%, Phoenix 34.20%, Charlotte 31.20%, Atlanta 28.89%, Riverside CA 27.29%, Orlando 26.62%, Dallas 24.92%, Houston 24.43%.
Ok, so based on a purely unscientific process I could see Raleigh, Charlotte or Orlando as legit options for a pro sports team. I keep hearing Las Vegas but I just don’t see it.
Also, I would be willing if not somewhat excited to see Montreal get a team again. I feel like MLB just gave up on Montreal and decided to move the team without really trying to save the team.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
This feel like deja vu. No way Raleigh could support an MLB team, IMO. Charlotte, maybe, but I doubt it. Orlando I also doubt, but since they aren’t right by the beaches… maybe.
I agree on Montreal. Vancouver and Portland may also deserve shots.
I doubt a team would come to Orlando. There’s no stadium (the Citrus Bowl is not dual-use, Tinker Field is 96 years old with a capacity of 5,100, and Champion Stadium is a minor league stadium with a capacity of 9,500). Florida as a whole isn’t a great prospect, because very little of the population is native, and a lot of the immigrants from other states remain loyal to their teams. In Tampa, there are probably more Red Sox and Yankees fans than Rays fans.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Pretty much every city without a current MLB team would need to build a Stadium or retrofit an existing stadium to get a franchise. And all fast growing cities are fast growing due to the number of non-natives moving there.
That said, I don’t think any teams are moving anytime soon.
Yeah, but Florida as a whole has had ridiculous growth for a long time. Since 1980, the population has almost doubled, from 9.7 million to 18.5 million. In that same time span, Pennsylvania’s gone from 11.8 million to 12.2 million. Almost 90% of Florida’s growth was from immigration, with very little being due to births exceeding deaths.
Another thing to note is that Orlando’s population density isn’t that high. The Orlando TV market (four counties) has a population density of 409 people per square mile, and a total population of around 3 million (the city proper is only a bit over a million, too small to be considered as an MLB market). Philadelphia has an urban population of 5.3 million and a density of 11,457 people per square mile.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Raleigh’s pretty small. It’s growing, but it’s still only 1.1 mill. By comparison, Milwaukee is the current smallest metro area in MLB by a lot and it’s got 1.6 mill.
I totally agree with you on Montreal though. If they could get a nice new ballpark it could succeed. Also, it’s a really awesome city.
The deep south
As a whole is far more interested in college sports than professional sports. College football trumps everything in Dixie.
I am a baseball fan in Mississippi. While I have friends that are into baseball, I don’t anyone (ladies included) who is not a rabid (insert SEC team here) fan.
I do keep hearing that SEC football is everything to the south.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Well I guess that depends on your definition of the South. North Carolina is the only state that might be considered South that does not have a team in the SEC.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
See, I personally don’t consider Virginia to be the South. Parts of it definitely have that feel but not all of it. Especially Northern Virginia.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
I was born in northern Virginia. You can walk down the street and feel like you are in the deep south. But then again, PA is Philly/Pittsburgh and Pennsyltucky in between, so…we really can’t talk.
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I lived in NoVa for 10 years. I never felt like it was the South, but I heard that places like Manassas and outlying counties were pretty redneck years ago. Northern Virginia is pretty damn cosmopolitan right now. Virginia definitely feels like two different states…
by Boundforbeach on Oct 12, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Amish, indeed. LOL. What I meant to say is that having lived in both areas, oddly Central PA isn’t much different from the South aside from the accents.
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That’s fairly inaccurate. I would characterize the Susquehanna Valley as more metropolitan than, say, Mifflin County.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 12, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
As someone who goes to college nearby to the Susquehanna River, I agree with doubleh. I do occasionally feel like this area belongs more in the south, not Pennsylvania.
An example: Pretty much every shuttle bus driver listens to country music while driving the bus.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
oh sure. Many people do. I was making a the point that geographically speaking the stations tend to be more country oriented the more rural it gets.
Not any more – country has gone mainstream
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 12, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I should clarify
You’re right to, but that’s irrelevant to j reed’s point.
Well as country becomes more mainstream than country stations become more ‘common’ in less rural areas.
I live 2 hours north of LA, no one would call this rural and I can pick up 5 different country stations, both south and north of me
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 12, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Kid Rock is probably more authentically redneck than 90% of Nashville right now.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 12:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nothing even comes close
When you ask anyone who is their team down here you will more likely get an answer like Bama or LSU than the Braves or the Saints.
I’m curious (and a little worried) about how the Phillies faithful will treat Lincecum at CBP on Saturday. I’m all for taunting opposing players, but I fear that the most obvious lines of attack are tasteless. Also, I don’t think any of it will work on him.
Timmeh sure looked playoff ready at home and his regular season road BA and OPS against are slightly lower than at home. He doesn’t look like a candidate to get rattled at CBP, but we can always hope.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 12, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I expect many references to 12 year olds, hippies and pot smoking.
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That would be a relief. I was thinking: “looks like a girl”, plays in SF – you can fill in the rest…
“Twink” perhaps? Or “chicken”?
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 12, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh the Misfits. I remember my devilock like it was yesterday...one of many hair experiments my parents just loved.
Yeah Doyle – yer out. Hamels knows one more chord than you. And he’s cuter.
You know what I can’t wait for? The first dumbass Philadelphia columnist to write about how we have to watch out for the Giants because Aaron Rowand has taught them how to win. My money’s on Sam Donnellon.
I keep hearing how the sample size stats about how Halladay and Hamels have fared against the Giants are why the Phils are in big trouble.
Oh, and how the Phils aren’t hitting, even though they had a lot of hard hit balls that went right to fielders and caused errors, but whatevs.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
The giants were really tearing it up with the bats in that first series
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 12, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Just remember- the columnists have columns to write every day during baseball season regardless of whether the Phillies have games to play. Gotta eat to live, gotta write to eat, otherwise they would not give us this crap?
There’s plenty to write about that isn’t, you know, garbage, it’s just easier to spew the ‘tried and true’ nonsense
It’s lazy
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 12, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Cliff Lee with 100 pitches through seven in the elimination game.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 12, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
I’m rooting for the rays cause I think they have a better chance to beat the yankees (purely irrational) and I really don’t want the yankees to make the world series again, i’m just tired of the yankees
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 12, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I am torn about this game— I want nothing but good things for Cliff Lee, but I would rather face the Rays than the Rangers in the WS- the Philly media would be totally awful if given the chance to write about Cliff Lee vs. Roy Halladay.
As for the Yankees, me too… that and I hate them (I harbor a personal fantasy every year that they will be the first ever 0-162 team.
The philly media is going to be awful no matter what the match up
Cliff Lee
Rematch of last years loss
or how do you beat the same team 2 out of 3 years in the WORLD SERIES – it’s unpossible
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 12, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The philly media is going to be awful no matter what the match up
And that’s why I don’t read ior listen to philly sports media. It is not like it has kitsch value or novelty weirdness. It just bad and it seems to get people worked up. It’s like choosing to listen to Rush Limbawl all day when you despise him which having had to do everday thanks to the owner of the welding shop I worked for, is something to avoid if possible.
And they bring him back out bottom 9 up 5-1. Huh.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 12, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They don’t want to give the Rays life? I got nothing. Don’t they have a closer with a great arm?
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
It’s a great debate point. On the one hand, he’s dealing and it’s elimination time. On the other, you want to fight another day.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 12, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Charlie seems to give pitchers their ‘moment’. There might be something to that from a motivational perspective.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 12, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
There might be something to resting your best pitcher as much as possible if you want him to be ready to pitch as soon as possible in the ALCS
lee isn’t making history – it’s not a no hitter, it’s not a perfect game, it’s a 4 run lead – it’s stupid to bring him out unless your closer died in the bullpen
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 12, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that’s good, cause you want your best pitcher pitching his first game in the LCS on the road :)
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 12, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This may not be that bad for the Rangers...
Cliff Lee’s ERA is significantly better at Yankee Stadium (2.40 in 4 starts there) than it is at the Ballpark at Arlington (5.07 in 14 starts). It also makes Lee available for a game 7 if it goes that far.
Also, Lee has no history pitching on short rest. Even if they had pulled him tonight once the four run lead was built, they probably would not have felt comfortable pitching him in Game 2.
That’s the way I looked at it. No reason to use another pitcher when you’re not “saving” Cliff Lee for some other purpose by lifting him early. Much as I’m sure they wish things were different, there is almost no chance that Lee would start game two on three days’ rest instead of game three on five days’ rest.
by phillyinportland on Oct 13, 2010 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions
A pitcher on short rest can go 1-4-7 in a 7 game series
Maybe Cliff Lee is just incapable of going on short rest, didn’t do it last year either did he? Washington should have used Lee in game 4.
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 13, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Rays – Phillies (should we get there) would have a Rays Redemption angle that could prove to be nauseating as well.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 12, 2010 10:53 PM EDT reply actions
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"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 12, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Nelson Cruz annoys me. If I’m Ron Washington, I fine his ass for staring at his double in the 4th inning.
You know who I’m mad at if I’m a Braves fan (which I’m not)—aside from Brooks Conrad—Gonzalez. There’s was an at bat late in the game yesterday where he hit a sharp grounder to short which the SS bobbled and Gonzalez never made it to first and ended up being out. In an elimination game he didn’t run out a ground ball…?
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Lee’s line rocks: 9IP 6H 1R 1ER 0BB 11SO 1.13 ERA
But Roy woulda…
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 12, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeff Francoeur is going to the ALCS. YAY GUYS!!!
Welcome to baseball hell.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
It was a hostage exchange for Hinske.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 12, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Good work there.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 12:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dodger Fan
Go Phillies!
Damn, that was tough to say.
My name sucks.

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