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Some Phillies Links For You, October 13, 2010: Don't Stop the Heaving, Smug Parade

Inman: La Russa sees a way the Giants can beat the Phillies
Without reading the article, I'm guessing: Moderate drinking, and/or Glenn Beck.

Cards Would Have Challenged, Possibly Beaten Phils - Redbird Rants
And if my Aunt had balls... well, she'd be awesome.

Phillies not filled with worry about bats
But they have rabies, and those leathery wings! EWWW.  LOLOLLOLOLLLOL

Sizing up the Phillies' starting rotation - McCovey Chronicles
An interesting and possibly valid approach to the Phillies Big Three starters.

John Smallwood: Phillies' Domonic Brown learning how to be a winner
KILL. ME. NOW.

Yanks-Phils dynastic battle seems inevitable
I really don't want to associate myself with the smugness of this piece.

Giants-Phillies 2010 NLCS: What Is Pablo Sandoval's Role In The NLCS? - SB Nation Bay Area
Lunch?

Lincecum enjoying Giants' playoff run
HERBALLY

If Phillies win World Series, who would pay for parade?
Magic leprechauns?

Cliff Lee is worth everything the Texas Rangers could ever give him
If the Phillies still had Cliff Lee, they'd already be in the World Series.

Phillies ready to humiliate all NL opponents
Thanks for the bulletin board material, dude.

And lastly, the worst thing you'll ever see, in the history of ever...


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That video is so terrible that it’s truly awesome. What a paradox. Kung…Fu…Panda… Thank gawd our fans haven’t done something like this (or have they?)

by Boundforbeach on Oct 13, 2010 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

The McCovey Chronicles piece is such a great example of why it felt right to root for the Giants over the Braves. Funny, self-effacing, not resentful — it’s really nice to be in competition with a blog that has a sense of humor.

by Trev223 on Oct 13, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Too true. MCC was a fine fine read the past two NLCSes. I don’t know if there’s a TGP equivalent to their hatred for Russell Martin (maybe Reyes when the Mets were contending?), but watching them go after the guy was hilarious.

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)

by bandwagonesque on Oct 13, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was funny

Although it’s possibly that they may hate Victorino more.

by Screen Name 20 on Oct 13, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

I will feel very bad about crushing them and destroying their team. Actually that’s not true. They have a good team and McC is the cream of the SBN sites, pretty much. This series scares me, as we could be both outpitched and outsnarked. That could be tough to deal with this. This should be an epic series.

by Cormican on Oct 13, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

OMG. That is painful.

by Ritty77 on Oct 13, 2010 8:55 AM EDT reply actions  

why do people make such a big deal about that Pujols homer off of Lidge? I see it referred to all the time.. Is it supposed to be embarrassing to give up a HR to Pujols?

by yolacrary on Oct 13, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I guess it was fairly dramatic. On the other hand, the Astros still won the series so who cares.

by taco pal on Oct 13, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, on the other other hand, the Reds won the 1975 World Series after Carlton’s Fisk homer also.

by taco pal on Oct 13, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Posterized!

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think at least 95% of the people who talk about it have forgotten this point.

by phatj on Oct 13, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it supposed to be embarrassing to give up a HR to Pujols?

I would say no, but some people pointed to that home run as the event that triggered Lidge’s downfall…and then 2008 happened.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on Oct 13, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

And people still point at the Pujols HR as the defining moment of Lidge’s career.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Oct 13, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Compare his stats/performance before the home run to the games in the post-season after it as well as the following year. People like to say that the Pujols home run rattled him, given the important game situation, and his performance was affected for the next year.

Not sure I buy that, but that’s the argument.

by David S. Cohen on Oct 13, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

In regards to Lidges struggles, there was also the story going around that he was tipping his pitches. I believe he was informed a new teammate who had previoulsy batted against Lidge.But there was also a rumor that Pujols himself told Lidge he was doing it…

But that ball was absolutely destroyed by Pujols!

by PSUcup1 on Oct 13, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

That wasn’t just any run-of-the-mill home run, it was one of the longest ever at Minute Maid Park I believe.

Not that I think that giving up a moon shot should be particularly damaging to a pitcher’s psyche but that’s the way it was portrayed.

by phatj on Oct 13, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its kind of like the Stairs Bomb off Broxton in the NLCS. Except the fact that Lidge’s team still won the series.

by Nikk.m on Oct 13, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it is, then there are a lot of embarrassed pitchers out there!

More seriously, Pujols did not homer so much as he put that ball in orbit.

by dannijd on Oct 13, 2010 10:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

What? Pujols is good?

by taco pal on Oct 13, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never saw it, didn’t happen

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Oct 13, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

lawl

Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 13, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Cardinals article is just sad.

What a pointless exercise. Not to mention the fact that tue Phils would have run train anyway.

"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"

by psuphiman80 on Oct 13, 2010 10:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

His argument of they had the pitching to give the Phillies trouble doesn’t hold water since they couldn’t do enough to win their own division.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 13, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think cubs fans would like to have a word with you

about whining about 3-4 years.

I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Oct 13, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

true point

this song was turrible

Enter the Vicksperience.

by David_K on Oct 13, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

nuthin'

I was really thinking of something along the lines of “catching VD” but nothing that would do the photo justice.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Oct 13, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Polanco working on his new Defensive Strategy for for the NLCS

by Cormican on Oct 13, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

In which direction is the glove moving?

by taco pal on Oct 13, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s see Hamels cover his face with this

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)

by bandwagonesque on Oct 13, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our exclusive reporting reveals how Polanco injured his elbow.

by Cormican on Oct 13, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Polly makes his Glove Butter from scratch.

by j reed on Oct 13, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I must

say, today’s link summations were particularly funny. Nice job today.

by Off_The_Hook on Oct 13, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

That Redbirds Rant article is pretty bad.

But, the Reds showed that they were not worthy opponents for the Phils and they did not represent the best of the N.L. Central…

Ummmm, no. The Reds won the division fair and square, had the best offense in the senior circuit, and maybe a deeper rotation than anyone in baseball. They ran into a matchup nightmare in the Phillies, who threw three aces at them, is in no way a reflection on how good of a team the Reds were. (If anything, it seems to me that the Reds and Rays were victims of having deep rosters rather than top-heavy ones, which — especially on the starting pitching front — can weigh disproportionately on the outcome of a short series.)

But wait, there’s more…

The Cardinals missed a huge opportunity at another World Series title by losing the division to the Reds.

How does that follow? Unless we assume that the mighty Cardinals would have simply swept aside the Phillies, of course. I’m literally shaking my head.

by PhillyFriar on Oct 13, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

On one hand, he’s technically sort of right. The Cardinals would “possibly have beaten the Phils” in a 5-game series. Of course, the same could be said of the Nationals or the Cubs.

by taco pal on Oct 13, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playoff baseball is the crapshootiest of crapshoots, so if you want to say that “The Cardinals missed a 12.5% chance to win the World Series” — and even that I find dubious, but just for sake of argument — then fine. But the use of the phrase “huge opportunity,” not to mention the clear unmasked bitterness, is just off-putting.

by PhillyFriar on Oct 13, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. He does have a problem insofar as he does not seem to recognize that the Cardinals are not a very good team.

by taco pal on Oct 13, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re a three player team (four if you count Rasmus)

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Oct 13, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only three?

I count Pujols, Pujols, Carpenter, Pujols, Wainwright, Pujols, Carpenwright, Pujols, and Pujols.

by Phrozen on Oct 13, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess this means that the Phillies are only

Utley, Halladay and Werth.

Did I miss any?
Surely none that qualify more than Holliday, Jaime Garcia and Colby Rasmus.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 13, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what you’re saying is that the Cardinals are really a five- or six-man team, not a three-man team? That’s what you went through the trouble of signing up here to say?

This reminds of how in the 1970s a magazine named Rep. William L. Scott the dumbest member of Congress, and he responded by calling a press conference to deny it.

by taco pal on Oct 13, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been signed up here for a long time.

I’m signed up to most SBN baseball sites, I think I might have even made a few comments on here before.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 13, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

So, upon seeing six Pujolses, and one-and-a-half each of Carpenters and Wainwrights (adding up to nine, you’ll note), you assumed I was serious?

by Phrozen on Oct 13, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was kind of funny, to be honest

you just happened to be the comment to which I decided to make my point that calling the Cardinals a 3 player team is a rather dumbed down view of things.

Six Pujolses would be sweeeeeeeet.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 14, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

at the risk of taking throwaway comments too seriously

Hamels = 4.7 WAR
Ruiz = 4.4 WAR
Victorino = 3.6 WAR
Oswalt = 2.8 WAR (in 12 starts)

Rasmus = 2.9 WAR

by perfectdepth on Oct 13, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really trust that WAR value

given the anomalous defensive metrics Rasmus has received this season. If you take his defense to be an average of this year and last year, his WAR ends up around 4.3.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 14, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice touch. If Monty Python were doing skits about baseball today they could use you as a consultant.

by phillyinportland on Oct 14, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll say this much: there’s an argument to be made that the Cardinals were better equipped for a 5-game playoff series than the Reds based on their top-heavy roster (essentially, on Wainwright/Carpenter). That’s not the point the author really makes in the piece, however, which is why it comes off as sour grapes.

by PhillyFriar on Oct 13, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now we could give 'em a little rope or stomp all over their nuts with our spikes on like a Yankees fan would.

Not meant to as reply to PFriar directly, but to the spirit of the thread. This was just a convenient point to interject.

If your team is not only swept but shits the bed in the process you might also feel inclined to exaggerate you claims to rationalize the pain away. The leading NL offense was shut -out and no hit. And more than just no hit, when the pitcher in his first post season game (and AB) drives in a run you were, in a many ways, beat by one man and a man who, not only, like most pitchers poses the least offensive threat but spent his entire career in the AL until this year. This is nothing short of having your nose rubbed in your own shit. Playing the role of loser in a baseball historical event of this magnitude and imagining it written on the Roy Halladay Cooperstown plaque while you’re trying to fall asleep is no less painful than shoving a pack of lit sparklers up your ass. Futhermore, either an Adam Dunn clone army played every position or the Reds decided to use the Nationals Fielding Method – they blew a 4 run lead because they fielded like Brooks Conrad who forgivably played like what he is: a genetically inferior, 30 year old career minor leaguer. No such absolution for the Reds starters. That 2nd game, in particular, was a flat out embarassment and not even Dusty partook in the fail; in fact, this game, as well the other two, were free of his snark bait managerial decisions . And let’s not forget the 4 game series sweep in June: 3 consecutive walk-off wins, one inwhich we came from behind to tie in the 9th inning with 6 fucking runs (all hail the Dobbs and Ransom Wonder Twins Power Hour), and each game with the B-squad infield. That’s humble pie in the face whipped around a particle accelerator. And those odds….hmmm, slightly less than Paris Hilton proving Einstein’s Theory of Everything. More pie.
It’s one thing to be humbled because your out classed or victimized by the inherent chance of the game but quite another to help in your humiliation like a team of the Reds talent did . It’s if your gonna die , die with your boots on, not die with shit in your pants. They stunk period and they know it.. Would it have made a difference without the mistakes? Sure, at the very least they still had a puncher’s chance (and quite a punch it is) if they played more soundly. If Reds fans need to convince themselves that sour grapes will make the best wine to drown out their disappointment over that long, cold Ohio winter, then I think it is best to pay them no mind rather than dissect their pain because we feel slighted. In sports fandom, this stituation is one of the few times the proverb good fences make good neighbors might work.

by j reed on Oct 13, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Harsh. True, but harsh. The fact that they helped in their own humiliation is part of baseball, not some particular reason to single out the Reds or their fans for extra disapproval. I agree with the last part about not dissecting their pain because this sounds like gloating.

by phillyinportland on Oct 14, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know who else could have beaten the Phillies? The 1927 Yankees. However, they also did not make the playoffs this year.

by Cormican on Oct 13, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shame, that. I think we could take them at this point.

by RaptorLC on Oct 14, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I, for one, thought this was funny. Maybe Passan should stick to the reportin’ and stay away from the commentatin’.

by taco pal on Oct 13, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLyiuTRZnjE

i think this video MIGHT be worse. I can’t tell

Enter the Vicksperience.

by David_K on Oct 13, 2010 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Links in subject lines don’t work. FYI

by Cormican on Oct 13, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read this today

The Rangers cut ties with announcer Josh Lewin today declining to pick up the option on his deal.

There’s some rumors floating about that they are interested in replacing him with Scott Franske. THIS CANNOT HAPPEN! Can’t we trade TMac for Lewin?

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 13, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Wondering

If this is why we’ve been getting more and more Jim Jackson lately? Something’s definitely up. Fudge.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 13, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be OK with it. I like Franzke but not as much as most others do. And I think Jackson is better than Franzke is. I understand that this is a minority view.

by taco pal on Oct 13, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but then who does hockey for the Flyers? (I’m a huge Flyers fan, too, and would like to see their best interests served here as well)

Just don’t like. TMac can go to Texas. I will buy his plane ticket.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 13, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe TMac can do hockey.

by taco pal on Oct 13, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um...

No fucking thanks.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 13, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Speaking of line changes…”

by PhillyFriar on Oct 13, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

An extreme minority view, report to a re-education camp comrade.

"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez

by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 13, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

JJ’s been doing the same three innings or less he’s done all year. What am I missing?

And while I’ve got nothing against Texas, the only way I support Franzke headin’ south is if we get Cliff Lee in trade.

by Phrozen on Oct 13, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

Franzke came to the Phillies from the Rangers and is from Texas.

by phatj on Oct 13, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't care.

In my opinion, he’s one of the best play-by-play guys in sportsradio today.

by Phrozen on Oct 13, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just started doing it this year, though, and there was some rumor he might be being primed for a full-time job with the Phils. This is all speculation based on rumor, so take with a grain of salt, but that’s why I wondered aloud. If Franske leaves, they could offer his job to JJ.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 13, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reds "Dear John Letter"

A passage:

It’s Not All You: Really, it’s not. Matter of fact, it was hardly you. It’s Roy Halladay(notes). Did you know his name is Doc? Did you hear we’re in the middle of “Doctober?” Had you heard it was his first postseason start? No? Also, there’s Chase Utley(notes). It’s him too. When the Phillies play the Reds in 2011, I hope he gets beaned. Then his second time up, bean him again, just so he’s sure he knows what being hit by a pitch actually feels like.

Chase Utley knows quite a bit about what being HBP feels like, j/a. Just ask John Lannan.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 13, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I have yet to see – in discussions of relative class – any mention of the complete and total lack of retribution by Phillies pitchers after three Reds’ plunks. Clearly a wise move in a short series, but also a classy one. The Dodgers would have gone plunk for plunk methinks.

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)

by bandwagonesque on Oct 13, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You spelled CLASSY wrong

by phatj on Oct 13, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Retribution hit by pitches are one of the dumber things in baseball anyway. Besides, the reds didn’t do any of those on purpose, and utleys HBP was jeter like

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 13, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, but then it doesn’t make any sense for Reds fans to be calling for multiple HBP’s here, either. Even Dusty Baker admitted Utley just did what he would have done as his job is to get on base.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 13, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hardly Jeter like. Jeter grimaced and rolled around on the ground as if Chad Qualls chewed his arm off with his teeth.

Utley put his head down and ran to first.

But your point is spot-on. Unintentional either way.

by Phrozen on Oct 13, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeter was more physical theatre, Utley more method.

by j reed on Oct 13, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Psshhhh

The White Sox had “Don’t Stop Believing” as their song in 2005. Everybody else is just copying them. :-D

2005 Chicago White Sox. 2006 Chicago Rush. 2008 Philadelphia Phillies. 2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks. CHAMPIONS.
Doctober: Roy Halladay's postseason no-hitter (2nd in history!) ~ 10-6-10
"We're going to try and knock the crap out of everybody." ~ Brian Urlacher

by HappyHuman on Oct 13, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Here’s some interesting musical trivia. This band’s lead singer cites Steve Perry as his favorite vocalist .

by j reed on Oct 14, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

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