Some Phillies Links For You, October 15, 2010: Core Work, Ode to Sweeney
Sweeney: An Essay
Joe Posnanski proving once again that he is our best living sports writer.
It's Halladay, Oswalt and Hamels again
Yes, yes.
Hungry Giants present major hurdle for Phils
Yeah, it's really dumb to overlook a team with a pitching staff that's this good.
Paul Hagen: How the Phillies became kings of the hill
"There were a lot of people who said for a long time Colorado could never win a championship, the Chicago White Sox could never win a championship and the Phillies could never win a championship because of their ballpark. Clearly, that's not the case. If you put the right players with the right mentality together and they happen to play well, they can still win regardless of the venue."
Uh oh, this is only about Code Blue smug. Ruben is getting complacent!
McCarver says key to success is keeping franchise together
Well, thank goodness for that, I was worried for awhile.
McCarver pumped up for NLCS Game 1
Because "The goal of the game is to outscore your opponent. If you score more runs, you will win the game. The pitcher's job is to prevent the batter from reaching base..."
Want NLCS tickets? It's gonna cost you
Or just send a pair to your favorite blogger for free!! Please?
Why I'm stupid enough to think the Giants have a shot - McCovey Chronicles
Oh Grant... (seriously though the Giants might win)
Phils' core five driven to prove people wrong
These bunch of scrappy, knock-around lugs!
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Judging Every Member of a Fan Base By The Worst Amongst Them Dept.
The 300-pound baseball fan who fell on a woman and broke her back at New York City’s Shea Stadium was so drunk he could not even chant “Let’s Go Mets.”
Timothy Cassidy was so blasted before his sloshed tumble onto lawyer Ellen Massey on Opening Day in 2007 he could barely walk, was picking fights with random fans and dropping the “L” from the “Let’s go Mets” chants, Massey’s lawyer said in court.
“He was unable to pronounce the word ‘Phillies’ or say ’Let’s Go Mets,’” said the lawyer.
Cassidy also was berating his fellow fans in the upper deck for not being loud enough.
“Why aren’t you cheering for the Mets? I’ll kick your (expletive) ass!” Kelner quoted him as saying.
by EastFallowfield on Oct 15, 2010 8:37 AM EDT reply actions
falling on someone and breaking their back is pretty good, but I still think intentional vomiting wins out for sheer offensiveness.
nice try Mets! our horrible fans are still the horriblest!
by perfectdepth on Oct 15, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought that being drunk was a prerequisite to chanting “Let’s Go Mets!” Cheering for the Mets is something akin to beergoggling at closing time and taking home whatever can walk. A certain amount of alcohol is, of necessity, involved in the exercise.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 15, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Since the most logical place to turn for in-depth baseball analysis is a college basketball coach, Cataldi had Phil Martelli on 610 this morning for his insights into the upcoming NLDS. Martelli picked the Phillies in 5 due to “playoff experience” provided their “bats come alive.”
I’ve found that if I treat 610 as an arificially sports-flavored comedy station, we all get a long a lot better.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
It’s not as bad if you wait until mid-day, but I find sports radio in general in this city to be wanting. In chasing the ratings, they cater too much to the crowd that’s only into others being humiliated and disinformation.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
arificially sports-flavored comedy
Conceptually, I’m a fan.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 15, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Cataldi is a moron. I listen in the mornings for the LOL’s.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 15, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’s a moron actually. I think he plays one on the radio. He knows exactly what he’s doing. Although after a while, the mask becomes the face.
He is also very sexist.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 15, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Also (probably) part of the shtick, but still brutally awful and unfunny.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Oct 15, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, yeah; that’s part of his character. But I’d wager some doughnuts on the fact that at some point it would be difficult to tell the person from the persona as tacopal says above.
It’s like actors who go too far and actually have to shoot up in order to play an addict on TV. It’s not really acting if it’s method, is it?
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Cataldi has a masters degree in Journalism from Columbia. I couldn’t believe it when I found that out.
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"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
by Scott Kessler on Oct 15, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Extreme evil.
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"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
by Scott Kessler on Oct 15, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Colombia = Country
Columbia = Ivy League institution that somehow allowed Cataldi to become a graduate of its masters degree program.
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"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
by Scott Kessler on Oct 15, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
:(
I hath been fooled!
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"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
by Scott Kessler on Oct 15, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
speaking of which...
ZOMG! Is this site legit? I don’t vouch for it one way or the other, but if it is, scroll down to the 12/27/08 post for a laugh!
When I pick up the newspapers and read the spineless sports analysis offered on a daily basis by the Phil Sheridans and Rich Hofmanns, I cringe – not only on behalf of the rapidly dwindling number of customers to the Inquirer and Daily News, but also in memory of the truly great sports media people who came before them in Philadelphia.
Really? Hofmann is one of the best! Blasphemer!
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Many many years ago, on the day after Magic Johnson announced that he was HIV positive, I remember Cataldi and folks dropped their personas for an entire show and just had a serious discussion about AIDS, promiscuity, sex ed, parenting, etc. In retrospect, it was a really great show. I don’t think he’s even capable of doing that anymore.
He can drop the facade but he won’t. It’s no longer a ratings bonanza because he has a listening community of “Dirty Thirties.” It’s a shame.
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"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
by Scott Kessler on Oct 15, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Maury Povich went to UPenn. That’s pretty much the same thing.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 15, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
But he actually comes off as intelligent on the most part.
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"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
by Scott Kessler on Oct 15, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Goebbels, RTLM, Limbaugh, Cataldi. They are all pretty much the same to me.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 15, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Great piece on Sweeney. MLBN was talking about how he’s taken all his kids out of school to be with him for the post-season run. The guy bleeds baseball.
Yup, Mike Sweeney was with the Wilmington Blue Rocks in 1995, so I’m sure I saw him then.
The situation seems kind of analagous to when the Marlins got Daulton as a rent-a-player when they won in 2003. Except maybe for the playing time part.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 15, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, great piece there from MCC. Everyone simply assumes that because the Phillies have, say, a 60% shot to win this series, that they’re therefore a lock. We all know that baseball is far too random to make any such assertion.
(Also, doubleh, I don’t know if Grant qualifies as an “analyst” in the way you mean, but he makes precisely the point you wish for below.)
by PhillyFriar on Oct 15, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’ve gone from “we’re in trouble,” to “we’ve got this” to “we’re screwed” again in terms of analysis. Bottom line: no one knows how this is gonna turn out. I just wish one analyst, one! Would mention that the playoffs really have an element of luck involved as well as skill. The team that simply “wants it more” does not win. Whoever “wants it more”? What is that?
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Believe it or not, I heard Randy Miller (of all people) make that precise point on yesterday’s Cataldi show. Which prompted Cataldi to essentially call him (in a good-natured way) spineless.
Of course. It needs to come from someone who has more reach and influence, though. Someone who can’t be shouted down by a blowhard like Angelo.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Not enough to too many.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 16, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Posnanski pretty much said as much in this post at SI, calling the playoffs a crapshoot.
by Screen Name 20 on Oct 15, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Skip Bayless just pulled the Experience Card™ and the Loud Screaming Fan Card® on First Take as the primary reasons the Phillies will win. Blarrgh.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 15, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions
Zolecki kind of suggested that on the radio this morning too, citing the Sabathia-Victorino game from 2007 as a precedent. Cataldi, of course, totally ran with it consistent with his normal “oh you Philadelphia fans are the best fans in the world and nobody understands you except for me because I am your champion” routine. Makes my stomach turn.
Is it wrong for me to hope that Lincecum pitches a dominant game tomorrow just to spite WIP (provided, of course, that the Phillies still win it against the pen)?
So, in other words, a repeat of late April, without Madson kicking a chair.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 15, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I still wouldn’t mind the lucky-as-hell Werth bloop double down the right field line FTW.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 15, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
For all the Burt Hootons and Sabathias in Phillies playoff history, there are also guys who just crammed the ball in the Phillies’ keysters in the playoffs too. (The 1983 Baltimore Orioles say hello, f’rinstance.)
That said, in the right circumstances, there is something about Philadelphia baseball fans that somehow collectively senses drops of blood in the shark tank and react to them in ways that are unsettling to certain players and maybe different from other fans, but probably no more or less intimidating than other NE venues (NY and Boston are the ones I feel are most likely to do this). Had I not seen this myself I wouldn’t believe it, but really and for true, they are once in a very blue moon Happenings.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 15, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I think other tan a few exceptions (Tampa, Miami) a winning baseball team stadium are pretty much on par with each other.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 15, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t agree with this and I do agree with WL. I’ve been to MLB games in ten different cities and there are qualitative differences between the crowds in each ballpark. Comparing regular season game to regular season game (I’ve never been to a postseason game outside Philadelphia of course).
Yeah, no. I’ve been to regular season TB and Braves games and they don’t compare to Phillies/NY/Chi/Bos at ALL.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
I didn’t mean to exclude Chicago, true true. CWS fans moreso that CHC, but not by all that much.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 15, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, CHC fans seem resigned to the fact that they are going to lose. When I was there for a game vs. StL, I was telling them “You got this, man,” and they’re all, “I hope you’re right.”
Imagine that: a Phillies fan telling a Cubs fan to be optimistic. I’m surprised the earth didn’t open up and swallow us whole.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Honestly, I felt that the Boston crowd I observed when I went to Fenway Park was much less hostile and threatening than Philadelphia crowds are. Small sample size caveat, of course.
Maybe. I mean, it was pretty loud there, but it wasn’t mean. Philadelphia fans are mean. There is something of the night about us.
It’s in the water? I don’t know. I can’t speak for others, but personally, I can go from mellow to violent in about 2 seconds flat.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
The sociologist E. Digby Baltzell once wrote a famous book about the differences between the cultures of Philadelphia and Boston. I don’t know if I agree completely with what he says, but pages 9-15 are interesting.
This book came out soon after I finished my graduate studies so I never read it, but I remember it got a lot of press at the time. Boston was more materialistic and Philadelphia was more egalitarian, and somehow the two cities that were so prominent in the American Revolution came to represent different aspects of American culture. Since Philadelphia stopped being run by the Quakers hundreds of years ago I’m not sure how that thesis relates to today, but Baltzell was a well-respected sociologist who is credited by some with coining the term WASP for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
by phillyinportland on Oct 16, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
“I can go from mellow to violent in about 2 seconds flat.”
“Might be- I am the same way.”
Hey, me too.
It’s the PMS, ladies.
Contreras and I were just looking at him eating this iguana thing over white rice and he put it away like it was a double cheeseburger, you know?
by LeepinLizardz on Oct 15, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I have to say that I have been to a few playoff games at CBP (2009 WS Game 5, both clinch NLCS’s, Halladays No-Hitter) and to a few at ATT park (most in 2002, would have been more but being a HS student sucked) while the craziest I ever been to is definitely Game 5 clincher part deux, that has some crazy circumstances. But other than that SF v Phl playoff games have very similar crowd intensities.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 15, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
True, in that I sensed also a noticeable intensity uptick that was suprising the last two years in LA. SF I’ve always felt was more like NE cities than any other West Coast venue, which I attribute to the weather, believe it or not – my operating theory is that it whittles the fans down to hard core; the hard core gets used to reacting with one another.
So while I don’t anticipate any net advantage either way, imma just pointing out that Philadelphia a footnotesque history of really strange stuff happening in its playoff games. Beyond the fans, there is also the bizarre umpire/commissioner behavior too. I blame the Wiz.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 15, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
my operating theory is that it whittles the fans down to hard core; the hard core gets used to reacting with one another.
True, but I could counter you with Oakland.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 15, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Microclimate.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 15, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
defenseless opinionator is defenseless.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 15, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess the fans in SF are to busy with wine and cheese to cheer.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 15, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
They all have X minutes to fill or X column inches. Many of them are also all probably anticipating this starting just as much as we are. Thankfully, a universe of baseball fans will not be analyzing my idiot tripe with the detail with which we parse theirs.
This is nothing new or original, but it bears repeating:
In the media, you have to say/write something. You have to interest John Q. Public by addressing his ignoramus view of baseball or you won’t get advertisers, and you get canned. It’s not about being correct, reasonable, or accurate.
☸ Do not take the finger for the moon. ☸
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 15, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s big where it counts and big when it counts. So we’ll see. On to Moscow, little man.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 15, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
grant from mccovey chronicles...
best line ever: “Baseball is a hummingbird on cocaine, and we’re just fans trying to catch it with a lasso made out of dental floss.”
“I’m telling you. This hand has more awesome than both of Beard’s effing shoes.”
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 15, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
this quote also got me from the MecuryNews:
Ishikawa drew an important pinch walk in Game 3 of the Division Series at Atlanta, leading to the tying run in that comeback victory. As he prepared for his trip to the plate, Burrell talked him up on the bench.
“He was telling me, ‘You got this, you’ll get it done,’ " Ishikawa said. "It’s putting nothing but positive thoughts in my head.
Pat Burrell, mine own Mr. Positive!
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 15, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Did this awhile back when Bumgarner got called up

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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by jctGamer on Oct 15, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
“Alright scoutnerds, I’m only gonna show you this once. And I’m no Brett Favre, so a bat’s gotta do…”
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 15, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
“so allow me to show you how we came up with term ‘webelo’…”
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Oct 18, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Better late than never?
On ESPN this morning Hunter Pence was asked for his pick in the NLCS and which player would be the MVP. Pence chose the Giants and Pat Burrell.
by phillyinportland on Oct 16, 2010 1:45 AM EDT reply actions
Friend him then?
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