The Sweet Life of Tim and Cody: Giants 4, Phillies 3
by WholeCamels on Oct 16, 2010 11:17 PM EDT
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The Super-Ace Awesome Yes Matchup For Pitchers between Tim Lincecum and Roy Halladay did not quite live up to expectations, with each Cy Youngsmith surrendering two home runs. Lincecum, however, got the better of the evening, keeping the Phillies to just three runs in seven innings. Halladay coughed up a pair of homers to the truly loathsome elfin-faced Author of All Lies, Cody Ross.
Both pitchers expressed frustration with home plate umpire Derryl Cousins, whose strike-zone was inconsistent, to put it mildly. To be harsh, it was a pile of dead dogs at a tractor pull, covered in chicken droppings, lit on fire by an errant firecracker. The low strike was virtually non-existent. The game-changer came in the sixth, with two outs, when Roy Halladay thought he had a called strike three on Pat Burrell. The pitch was called a ball, and Burrell proceeded to smash the next pitch to left, right into the basket of Raul Ibanez. So a double it was!
The Phillies scoring all came on home runs: a solo shot from Carlos Ruiz in the third, and a two run shot from Jayson Werth that made the score 4-3. Where it would remain, forever, after weirdly bearded closer Brian Wilson locked it down.
Sigh. This isn't good. But, it's not over.
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Nice Title
Way to make merry in the wake of defeat.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 16, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
Well,
They got this, though. Tomorrow, Jonathan’s getting Dirty Sanchez’d.
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Oct 16, 2010 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Now that we’re down 0-1, wouldn’t you like to have Halladay pitching game 2? After all, Blanton could have done that tonight. Just sayin’….
by David S. Cohen on Oct 16, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
Smug Cohen is smug.
;)
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by WholeCamels on Oct 16, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Very much so.
But, in all seriousness, this was my point in that post – the outcome tonight with these two pitchers was a crapshoot. Why not pitch Halladay (and the rest) when the outcome is more in our favor? (Although, to be fair to the Giants, Sanchez is on fire these days too.)
Whatever, down 0-1 isn’t so terrible, especially with our pitching.
G’night all.
by David S. Cohen on Oct 16, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
CIndicating that Sanchez is a Phillie killer...
I doubt that it matters.
by dannijd on Oct 16, 2010 11:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Goth it up
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Oct 17, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I have that game on videotape
just kidding
Billy Hamilton Sam Thompson Ed Delahanty
Greatest 1800’s outfield of all-time.
Go look it up.
1894 Phillies greatest hitting team of all-time
I have that game on tape also.
When you say tape...
Do you mean it was woven into a tapestry by the monks at Our Lady of the Baker Bowl?
Ibanez's fielding adventure
It’s no surprise that Ibanez’s fielding would eventually cost us big time. How in the world was that scored a double and not an error? Burrell an old drinking buddy of the official scorer?
by David S. Cohen on Oct 16, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions
Let me ask this question. Who ISN’T an old drinking buddy of Pat Burrell?
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
by Justin F. on Oct 16, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair
I thought he could make the catch, but that ball was smoked, not a routine play by any stretch of the imagination, off the bat I thought it was a homerun and he was in position. I am not gonna be too hard on ibanez for that play. However, that non-call strike 3 on burrell? GRRRRRRR.
by PhilsForever on Oct 16, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really like baseball anyways, so no biggie.
j/k
But yo, “The Crying Game” is on IFC right now. I’ma go get me some culture. Holler at your boy.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Surprise Ending:
Cody Ross is a DUDE.
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Oct 16, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad its a 7 gamer.
Losing game 1 isnt a huge deal. 2009 WS is a good example.
Yeah I told my Giants friend it’s FAR from over
by The Fish on Oct 16, 2010 11:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well he was carrying on about how their staff is better than ours. So it wasn’t so obvious to him
by The Fish on Oct 16, 2010 11:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
To be fair to him, the Giants have a better bullpen.
But the rotation does favor the Phillies.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Phillies have never won a playoff series when they lost the first game. In NLCS matchups, the winner of the first game is 28-12. So while it is a long series, they now play with the odds against them… But then again, that is what this team has done all season- what should we have expected?
by dannijd on Oct 17, 2010 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Carlos Ruiz is the best
Think about it.
Highest OBP by a catcher in baseball history.
He’s the guy calling the pitches for our 3 great workhorses this year.
RUIZ IS WINNING IT ALL FOR PHILLIES!!!
I think its career
but think about it.
how valuable is Ruiz?
Phillies pitchers are pitching great guess what Ruiz has alot to do with it.
He could bat 3rd for half the teams in the league.
1st guy I’d pick to start a team.
Carlos Ruiz
no doubt about it.
Ruiz is awesome. There’s no doubting that.
I’ve said many times (to no disagreement of course) that he is far and away the team MVP this year as well as the glue that’s held the Phillies together through Baseba’al striking down most of their starting line up and half of their pitchers at some point this year en route to clinching their first ever best record in baseball.
That’s why I’m not all that worried about a game 1 loss here. This team is unlike any that’s come before it, and even though this year’s Giants match up better against them than anyone else in the NL over the past few years, I believe that they will overcome and end up on top.
It bugged me when McDoucher said this yesterday.
So I looked it up. There’s no way that Chooch, awesome as he is, has the highest OBP for catchers.
His career OBP is .353. Bill Dickey, who played 1,700+ games, all as a catcher, had an OBP of .382.
So what am I missing?
The gist of all this...
Ladies and gentlemen, we’re not kicking the Dodgers around anymore.
Buckle up. It’s going to be a long one.
That’s a great point. We matched up very well against that team.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 16, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
We all wish you did.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 16, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
So you’re calling Giants in 4 or 5? Really?
I don’t think this series will be decided before it gets back to CBP. I think it’ll end up with the Phillies winning it, but I don’t believe it’ll be decided in less than 6, and probably will end up going the distance.
4, maybe 5
We can’t hit Sanchez and we can’t hit at AT&T. I knew there was a reason that I really wanted the Braves.
by dannijd on Oct 16, 2010 11:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jesus F. Christ. Can you just say something racist or homophobic so we can ban you? You are the single most depressing person in the history of this website.
Look, I have been known to be a pretty negative and neurotic person myself, but I have also learned that there are some things that are better left in my own mind. So, if you have any consideration for the other people who read this blog, you’ll stop with this tired schtick.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 17, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
No- because I am neither racist, nor homophobic. I am negative and depressed right now, so you got that much right, but racism and homophobia are not how I am- in any state of mind.
Well, that part was a joke which, true to form, you killed.
What I am saying is that if you are negative and depressed, go do (take) something that will make you feel better or just go to sleep. But for the love of all things I hold sacred, please keep it out of these threads, because it’s a major drag.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 17, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
Don’t let the fortunes or misfortunes of millionaires color your own outlook too darkly. Obsessing to that degree isn’t healthy.
Try some diversionary exercise.
Me, I like to play in traffic.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 17, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
We have them right where we want them – overconfident. Cody Ross, PTB and Uribe FTW? Think about it.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 16, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I have… Pat the Bat is getting revenge, Cody Ross has a clause in his deal with the devil for some playoff magic, and Uribe is having a career year.
by dannijd on Oct 16, 2010 11:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rational, well-reasoned analysis.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Oct 17, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought the devil was restricted to deals with the Yankees (see Ray Walston, Damn Yankees!). I guess my research was faulty.
by phillyinportland on Oct 17, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
If that triumvirate continues to win post-season games, you have to chalk it up to “they got hot at the right time” aka statistical unlikelihood. It could happen. It’s four to seven games. We have enough pitching (on paper) to match theirs. I honestly don’t think what you saw tonight will happen again, and I think the numbers would back that up.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 17, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
But if we
had pitched with Cliff Lee we woulda won!
Seriously though, I don’t like the way Jimmy looks when he’s batting. I know Charlie won’t do it, but I think he’s at least thinking about moving Rollins to the 8 spot if not putting Valdez in. I know he won’t make a Valdez switch because it would be a radical move, but Jimmy looks lost up there and is absolutely not helping this team at all.
I know Lincecum makes a lot of people look lost, but I still don’t like the way Rollins looks up there.
And aside from today’s double, the “Big Piece” is also a “Big Problem”.
I hope he's at the very least thinking about moving Rollins to 8th.
He’s terrible out there right now.
by Screen Name 20 on Oct 17, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s hard to know just how bad Rollins looks at the plate with some of the calls tonite. And I don’t find fault with him other than his typical Rollins antics which I have learned to live with – it’s being injuried before the post season and the week lay-off bewteen series. He just hasn’t had enough ABs for a good stretch of time to get locked in.
Other than a few missed opportunities both teams played about the same. Had Gload’s ball or Rollins ball earlier in the game gone fair things would be different. Or that bloop hit by Giants Plantoon Dude that dropped in a foot from the foul ball line and of course PTBs blooper. Failure to manufacture a run with Howards no out double I attribute to our failure as well as Timmah – aces can leave men on base like that.
Good perspective
If we could harness BABIP, we’d be the Yankees.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 17, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Why
does everyone say lincecum outpitched halladay? everywhere besides here I have seen it. Is it because they won the game? Because clearly halladay pitched better. He was ahead of hitters more and got squeezed a lot, but lincecum was rarely ahead of hitters and to be honest a little wild at times, we just did not get any breaks or luck or take advantage of some key opportunities like the giants did. I guess it is just a pet peeve of mine when mainstream media see the final score and assume a pitcher outdueled another because that team won. It really is not always the case and in my opinion was not tonight.
Wilson worked from behind in the count a lot, too, but it seemed to be a cat-and-mouse game where he could turn up the speed and accuracy at will. You can’t really argue with the results both here and against Los Bravos.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 17, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Because Halladay gave up one more run than Lincecum, and to many people that is all that matters. As for Lincecum, I think effectively wild about sums him up- he is able to get a lot of swings and misses outside of the zone (13 of 31 swinging strikes against Atlanta were on pitches outside of the zone). Lincecum is a good pitcher, but very different from Halladay— Halladay pounds the zone- for better or for worse. Lincecum is in and out of the zone, and is able to set up batters well enough that they swing at stuff that they shouldn’t- it is a fine art, and commendable in its own way, because not only are batters baffled, but are less likely to make good contact on balls outside of the zone. That being said- neither pitched particularly well tonight.
their lines were pretty similar all things considered.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 17, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
True. Each faced 29 batters and got through 7 innings. The Phillies actually had one more base runner with their 6 hits and 3 walks (one erased on a DP) compared to Halladay’s allowing 8 hits and no walks. The one run difference plus one more strikeout by Lincecum gave him a GameScore of 58 vs. 52 for Halladay. Neither one had an excellent game.
by phillyinportland on Oct 17, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
well, when you put it that way, Ibanez would have caught the ball if Michael Vick had thrown it.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 17, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
NEEDS MOAR VICK
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 17, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Doc is like
I faced A-Rod, Manny, Youk, Matusi, Big Pappi, Teixeria, Poseda, etc. my whole career and the stars align when ever I play these pukes and shit like this happens….
Cody MEffing Ross. 4REALZ, YO.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 17, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Derryl Cousins
Honestly, we’ve flogged this guy before. Yet he gets to keep umping playoff series? Do not understand.
He's been flogged before, all right.
Quick Google searches reveal that we are not the 1st people who have ever complained about his strike zone.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
and
at what spin the bottle ump party does it come up Cousins who gets, of all matchups, Halladay-Lincecum? Baseball seems rather adept at sudden flatulence in the presence of beauty.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 17, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not a gang, it's a club
The umpire selection team is probably fraught with the same political nonsense that we see at school or on the job. Merit may or may not be part of the criteria.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 17, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate to whine about the umps, but his strike zone really was awful tonight. Timmy got squeezed, too, but it only directly led to runs for the Giants.
Big ups to Werth, Ruiz and Ibanez for solid enough nights at the plate; Rollins and Victorino, on the other hand, should sit there and think about what they’ve done.
Oh well, get ’em tomorrow night. Revert to the mean, Roy and Jonathan.
by PhillyFriar on Oct 17, 2010 12:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Rollins AB in the eighth was clearly memorable, but the one in the 4th was no prize. After walking Werth on four pitches, after Lincecum was going 2-0 on nearly everybody, he inexplicably swings 1-0 on a ball in the dirt. Didn’t get it, then winds up striking out.
I’d add Howard in that mix too. Ibanez wasn’t that good, but for the walk in the 6th.
Nine out of the last twelve outs made by the Phillies were Ks. Yikes.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 17, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Just amazing— had Timmy exactly where they wanted him, and could not do anything with it… manage to get him out of the game, and make the Giants relief look like Timmy- 5 ks in 2 innings of relief was almost as many as Lincecum had all day.
Well, it is Tim Lincecum, two-time Cy Young winner. And we lost by a run.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 17, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Tonight or in general?
Tonight I agree with you.
In general, I doubt that they depend on them more than any other team.
A buddy of mine said the same thing to me tonight. I countered by saying that it’s tough to sustain rallies against a pitcher as good as Lincecum, so I wasn’t all that bothered by the bloop-and-blast strategy tonight. But against lesser pitchers, the guys who had poor at bats tonight need to rectify that — true small ball may not be necessary, but extended rallies not dependent on the long ball probably will be necessary to win this series.
by PhillyFriar on Oct 17, 2010 1:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
GAH NOT YOU PHILLYFRIAR!
you just got MEME’d yo!
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 17, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Dammit. Can I blame the time of night, even if I stopped drinking a while ago?
Seriously though, I do think the Phils’ offensive strength in this series is in their OBP ability. The Giants have as much (if not more) power up and down the lineup, but a below-average ability to get on base, so they really do need to rely on the long ball. The Phils should have more baserunners and are better at scoring in different ways, so they’re not entirely one-dimensional.
Actually, scratch all that. WE NEED TO BUNT MORE AND MOVE RUNNERS OVER WITH PRODUCTIVE OUTS!!!!! DIDN’T YOU ALL LISTEN TO JOE MORGAN?!?!?!
by PhillyFriar on Oct 17, 2010 1:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Outside of Valdez and sometimes the pitchers, does anybody on this team even know how to lay down a successful bunt?
by dannijd on Oct 17, 2010 1:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I included the pitchers- do any of the regulars know how to do it? The last time I saw one of them try was Polanco against the Mets, and it ended badly.
by dannijd on Oct 17, 2010 1:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Rollins actually attempted a bunt instead of striking out perhaps we have even more of a chance in this game lesigh
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 17, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Well it’s not the best play with one out and Howard on second that early in the game. You certainly don’t have Werth bunt with no outs to sacrifice Howard to 3rd. Werth should have just tried to put the ball in play and not K. With Jimmy the question involves the week lay-off and time spent on the DL the last month of the season. Are we seeing the effects of deconditioning he may have undergone during this interval? Has he had enough ABs to bring his perception and reaction speed to up competition levels? If he’s not 100% I’d have him bunt , otherwise no unless stituation called for it, that is I wouldn’t do it to avoid a strike out.
T. Tango writes in The Book that
In the 9th inning of a close game a below average hitter should bunt most of the time given typical speed and bunting ability. Average hitters should bunt about half the time . Above average hitters should rarely bunt. The speed of the lead runner appears to be a significant factor in the success or failure of the sacrifice attempti the 9th inning and as always, the speed and bunting proficiency of the batters should be strongly considered
He also goes on to say that
analyzying the efficacy of the sacrifice bunt in the various stituations is so complex and difficult and the reulsts are so close that, (he) can only offer a few clear cut rulesof thumb and a myriad of recommendations built on somewhat shaky foundations.
The aforementioned instance is one of the various stituations. Bunting has it’s place and it’s not such a dumb suggestion provided the stituation calls for it and in the case of last night if what we are seeing with Rollins is rust from his DL stint.
.
It's going to get Renteria another stint somewhere.
Dude’s a master, and I’m not just reppin’ our guy.
He’s not fast yet he’s bunted for singles no less than three times this year.
You may consider that a small number but it’s pretty much the number of games he wasn’t on the DL.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 17, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah.
They’re too dependent on Jimmy Rollins.
by philsandthrills on Oct 17, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Team Wet Luzinski had a great night – Huff, Burrell, Werth and Ross all with the hits. For those of you unawares, Team Wet Luzinski finished in the tank.
my point is to trust the power of the almighty stats. Results like tonight’s don’t generally last a long time.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 17, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Rollins hitting lead off?
After tonight’s awfulness, and with Victorino and Polanco scuffling, Manuel said that he is thinking of changing the lineup to have Rollins bat leadoff.
While it is true that Rollins has been better from his right than his left this season, moving a scuffling hitter up in the lineup is counterintuitive to the point of being insane. Furthermore, moving him up would probably be at the cost of dropping Victorino down in the lineup, which would be ill-timed considering that he has some of the best numbers on the team against Sanchez.
by dannijd on Oct 17, 2010 1:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
That was not my contention. I am fine with leaving Jimmy in the lineup- but not batting leadoff, at least not until he shows some signs of life at the dish (and a hat trick with a side of pop-up is not what I had in mind)
by dannijd on Oct 17, 2010 2:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seriously, when I Jimmy going to take a seat? Valdez is a better option than him right now. He’s been awful the last two seasons. He’s seriously killing us right now and Valdez is just as good in the field. Jimmy 3 so tonight 3 LOB. Howard refused to go oppo after his first AB. Hows that contract looking for him recently?
Hard to go oppo when you aren’t even connecting- 4 plate attempts- 1 double, 3 Ks
by dannijd on Oct 17, 2010 1:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Please bat Jimmy 8th. That’s all I ask.
by philsandthrills on Oct 17, 2010 2:19 AM EDT reply actions
Nope… Mark my words, he is batting leadoff.
by dannijd on Oct 17, 2010 2:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Giants fan here!
I got to admit that was one of the best baseball games I’ve seen all my life. I have to admit the ump was unfair to both our great pitchers which really destroyed this awesome matchup.
Dodger Fan
Step it up Phillies. Why couldn’t you hit Wilson like you did to Broxton.
My name sucks.
I don’t know, especially since TBS Said that Wilson had average stuff, that’s probably the reason right there. Phillies have had problems against mediocre pitchers, but against guys like Broxton or a Lincecum we’re able to do some damage.
Today, it wasn’t enough. It might’ve been if Darryl calls that strike, but the same goes for the Giants as well.
The two teams were evenly matched, this is far far from over.
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 17, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Despite what TBS says, Brian Wilson’s stuff is way way way above average.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Haha Broxton blows that's why Wilson was saves leader.
Lincecum you hit him well? 8 punch-outs with him with his worst stuff is not “hitting him”. Make excuses that his beard is distracting. The men at the stadium are completely classless with the whistling. Anyway good game was good. Looking forward to game 2 guys. May the best team win. Come on Sanchez keep up with your magic.
I think you mean CLASSY
Be sure to come back if the Phillies win!
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 17, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No? I didn’t think so.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I laughed when I realized the intent of the whistling.
But then after Lincecum struck out and Torres came up a few couldn’t resist whistling at him, either and Tim became jealous.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 17, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Giants Fan
I will always love the Phillies for how they crushed the Dodgers the last two years in the playoffs.
More comfortable with chicken
by billywitchdoctor.com on Oct 17, 2010 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions
None of us were hitting. It was the Phillies.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 17, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Stay Positive
It’s one game. I doubt that even the staunchest supporters were expecting the Phillies to sweep the Giants. What we have seen over the last two months has been so dominant that a lot of fans have gotten spoiled. Just think how almost every loss since the Ryan Zimmerman walkoff against Brad Lidge at the end of July was followed by a winning streak. (With one exception, the Astros series.) I don’t think this is a team that is going to fall apart just because they lost a game – and two of those losses in August were by Roy Halladay. This is a team that would lose a tough game, like those 1-0 losses to the Mets, and then go out and win four or five in a row. They won 11 in a row when it came time to put the Braves behind them. So, get a good night’s rest and take heart from what the Rangers did to the Yankees today. They didn’t let a tough loss get them down and now they’re tied in their series. That’s what I expect from the Phillies tomorrow.
by phillyinportland on Oct 17, 2010 3:27 AM EDT reply actions
Despite the result...
I really enjoy this series. I’m a big fan of pitching duels and the fact that 2 of the best rotations are going against each other is enough to make me happy. That being said, it’s one game. I did not overlook the giants because they are legit ( too legit to quit? lol). Hopefully this is a wakeup call for out team and we’ll bounce back well!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Couldnt even watch the game
im from a trenton suburb, im 25 mins away from philly. because my township has cablevision and not comcast, i was unable to even watch the game. Fox decided to shut down at 12 am oct 16th leaving us unable to watch mlb on fox or the nfl on fox.
That stinks. I hope they get it fixed in time for you to see the games today.
by dannijd on Oct 17, 2010 8:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rollins
Is Jimmy going to be the official scapegoat if the Phillies lose this thing? I just want to know so I can calibrate accordingly.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
I hope not. Ibanez and Victorino were not exactly stellar last night, but at least the latter drew a walk.
The failure to get Howard home after a leadoff double was troubling and inevitably costly. Jimmy was involved with that, but not the sole goat. Plus, what are the options? The numbers above pretty much show that Valdez is nice, but he’s no Jimmy.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 17, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably... and from the sounds of it, Manuel is going to aid and abet it...
Rollins will probably take a good amount of the blame. He has been the scapegoat other times when this team has failed, so I would be more surprised if he isn’t (despite the fact that many are deserving of blame).
And now, Manuel is talking about hitting Rollins lead off tonight- a bad idea made doubly bad by Rollins 1-15 career numbers against Sanchez.. If he goes through with this, Rollins does not hit (which would not be surprising), and the Phillies lose, Rollins will be the goat- but Manuel will be to blame.
Either Rollins or the Jews for that disgraceful Treaty of Versailles.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 17, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I got a chuckle
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